How do you think we (Muslims) should deal with the U.S.

[Enigma Dreamer]

Assalaamu 'aleykum.

I just wanna see your views, brothers and sisters.
As you know, the U.S. declared war against Muslims all over the world and do all means to harrass Muslims and make life miserable for us, Muslims.
But, somehow, it seems the Muslim world is divided on how to deal with this enemy. There are those who belive the U.S. has done much and it is time to say enough is enough. Some, would say, hey, we are not prepared, just yet.
So, in this light, I thought, I should ask you ....

[umm_huraiyrah]

remember theres muslims in america too. Unless your talking about the goverment in that case it is a lost cause in my opinion. Just think not much longer before Bush is out.

Habiba

[Enigma Dreamer]

remember theres muslims in america too. Unless your talking about the goverment in that case it is a lost cause in my opinion. Just think not much longer before Bush is out.

Habiba
Yeah, sister. I know there are our brothers and sisters in the U.S. including you, who is mashaAllah one great sister. But obviously, you are part and parcel of us and you are excluded. I am talking about this real enemies who are known to every Muslim with an ounce of brain.

[UnoDosTres]

remember theres muslims in america too. Unless your talking about the goverment in that case it is a lost cause in my opinion. Just think not much longer before Bush is out.

Habiba

Hey Dana, remember that time someone cut you off when you were driving? Muahhahahaha, that was me! That's just my method of harassing Muslims.

It looks like some people here really want all Americans to pay a price of some sort. It was true long before 9/11, and it's still true.

[Enigma Dreamer]

Hey Dana, remember that time someone cut you off when you were driving? Muahhahahaha, that was me! That's just my method of harassing Muslims.

It looks like some people here really want all Americans to pay a price of some sort. It was true long before 9/11, and it's still true.

Obviously, every one who harrassed Muslims in any way will be made to pay dearly for it inshaaAllah.

[UnoDosTres]

Obviously, every one who harrassed Muslims in any way will be made to pay dearly for it inshaaAllah.

And exactly what is your criteria for that? Being a non-Muslim in America?

[Enigma Dreamer]

And exactly what is your criteria for that? Being a non-Muslim in America?

Harming a Muslim in ANY way.

[Stogie]

Im not sure muslims could "deal" with the usa, even if you chose to do so.

[Enigma Dreamer]

Im not sure muslims could "deal" with the usa, even if you chose to do so.

Of course, you will say so, certainly.

[pixi]

The dreamer said

As you know, the U.S. declared war against Muslims all over the world and do all means to harrass Muslims and make life miserable for us, Muslims.

I must have missed this declaration. Can you give us a reference?

And it's not just us Americans. Remember the Danes? And the Brits? And the Australians?

[abdusamad]

Since Amreeka is leading the war against Allaah, then it would be only right to prepare for hijrah.

[Enigma Dreamer]

The dreamer said

As you know, the U.S. declared war against Muslims all over the world and do all means to harrass Muslims and make life miserable for us, Muslims.

I must have missed this declaration. Can you give us a reference?

And it's not just us Americans. Remember the Danes? And the Brits? And the Australians?

You are the one who waged the war and started it and has being doing since time immemorial. As for the so-called 'allies', they share the same interest with you and they too are just like you. But certainly, if we wipe you out of existence, then, they will just eveporate.

[Enigma Dreamer]

Since Amreeka is leading the war against Allaah, then it would be only right to prepare for hijrah.

WHY NOT JIHAD????????????

[(*_Hamzah]

Muslim are the weakest of nation, military and war's is not an option since they but there arms for the enemy, dialogue is only dialogue if it’s pro America and pro Western- everything else is rhetoric , maybe when Zion state is wiped of the map, a billion plus Muslims will be bestfriends with the US :coolbro:

[UnoDosTres]

You are the one who waged the war and started it and has being doing since time immemorial.

You give Pixi too much credit.

Then again, maybe not. Maybe Pixi is responsible for all of this.

[abdusamad]

WHY NOT JIHAD????????????

It is still on the table, nobody has neglected it, my previous post was directed at those living in the west.

[UnoDosTres]

Muslim are the weakest of nation, military and war's is not an option since they but there arms for the enemy, dialogue is only dialogue if it’s pro America and pro Western- everything else is rhetoric , maybe when Zion state is wiped of the map, a billion plus Muslims will be bestfriends with the US :coolbro:

Are you kidding? There's people here that take pleasure in the thought of dead American civilians (men, women, and children).

How could they possibly be friendly with people they want dead?

[Enigma Dreamer]

Are you kidding? There's people here that take pleasure in the thought of dead American civilians (men, women, and children).

How could they possibly be friendly with people they want dead?
We want you dead (possibly more than that if that existed) because you want us dead.

[UnoDosTres]

We want you dead (possibly more than that if that existed) because you want us dead.

Where have I ever said I want Muslims dead? Where have I even implied it?

If I truly wanted to see loads of dead Muslims, shouldn't I support the US decision to go to Iraq and all of the tactics used by the US in Afghanistan?

Ps. I was joking when I said I cut off Muslims when driving. I don't cut off anyone (well, not that I know of).

[Enigma Dreamer]

Where have I ever said I want Muslims dead? Where have I even implied it?

If I truly wanted to see loads of dead Muslims, shouldn't I support the US decision to go to Iraq and all of the tactics used by the US in Afghanistan?

Ps. I was joking when I said I cut off Muslims when driving. I don't cut off anyone (well, not that I know of).

lol... if you harbour no resentment or enmity against us, then, you are save. Remember, we ONLY fight by all means those who harm us in any way.

[OBL]

By confrontation.. Al the arabs country ned to unite.. stop giving oil to U.S, let americas economy fall.. no more oil for the war planes.. no more war...

[Rizwan]

Very good question, for me the answer is clear: Look to the example of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh).

There is not a single problem we will ever face as a individual or as a Ummah for which the Prophet of Allah (saw) did not illustrate a solution, this is why is he the greatest of the Anbiya (pbut).

The battle against the Quraish, and then against Persia and Rome (together) was no less then the Empires of Kufr we face today.

Its a very long topic but in short, in my understanding, the Prophet (saw) responded to oppression in the following way:

1. DAWAH and Dialgue (time in Makkah)
2. When the Oppression increased, then HIJRAH (to Abyssinnia)
3. When the Oppression became unbearable, KHILAFAH (Medina State)
4. When the Oppressors united against the Khilafah, then JIHAD (Badr, Uhud, Khandaq etc)
5. When the Muslims became strong enough, and was a Balance of Power, then SULAH (of Hadibiyah, agreements, truces etc)
6. When the foundations of the Khilafah were solidified then FATAH after FATAH after eventually DAR UL ISLAM - with SALAM /PEACE throughout the Land

At least thats how i come to understand it :coolbro:

[Stogie]

By confrontation.. Al the arabs country ned to unite.. stop giving oil to U.S, let americas economy fall.. no more oil for the war planes.. no more war...


If I may so so, thats a remarkably naive suggestion.

No western nation wil sit back and allow an arab nation to deprive them of oil.

And how can Arab nations unite when muslims from the same nation (Iraq) seem to like to fill their days seeing how brutally they can kill other muslims.

[umm_huraiyrah]

Hey Dana, remember that time someone cut you off when you were driving? Muahhahahaha, that was me! That's just my method of harassing Muslims.

It looks like some people here really want all Americans to pay a price of some sort. It was true long before 9/11, and it's still true.

unos if that was you I would have chased your butt down and showed you what and old fashioned oklahoma butt whooping was. Don't go there with me!!! NOT IN THE MOOD TODAY!!! No they don't want the americans to pay I think it's certain giverment people. :rolleyes:

Habiba

[umm_huraiyrah]

By confrontation.. Al the arabs country ned to unite.. stop giving oil to U.S, let americas economy fall.. no more oil for the war planes.. no more war...

OBL my husband used to work on the oil rigs. I know for a fact there is enough oil in my state to provied us for all our needs for 150 years. That came from a geoligist. And I'm not counting other states Like alaska etc. that proveide oil. And you got to know to that us the american are paying out the but just for gas. OK?? And by the way out economy stinks as it is. Otherwise my medicaid might be more willing to approve the tests I need. OK???

Habiba

[umm_huraiyrah]

The dreamer said

As you know, the U.S. declared war against Muslims all over the world and do all means to harrass Muslims and make life miserable for us, Muslims.

I must have missed this declaration. Can you give us a reference?

And it's not just us Americans. Remember the Danes? And the Brits? And the Australians?

Ummm pixi the war is not against Islam it's against TERRORISTS!!!

[Makki]

the US should be met with physical resistance wherever it invades, that doesn't mean we should constantly be confrontational. basically keep jihad on the battlefield, and desist from fighting when they desist.

[Ignatius F. Peace]

We want you dead (possibly more than that if that existed) because you want us dead.Dumb post #1: we don't want you dead ... get real

lol... if you harbour no resentment or enmity against us, then, you are save. Remember, we ONLY fight by all means those who harm us in any way.Dumb post #2: I don't think the jihadists are all that discriminatory when it comes to killing Americans ...

By confrontation.. Al the arabs country ned to unite.. stop giving oil to U.S, let americas economy fall.. no more oil for the war planes.. no more war...All oil countries economies go in the tank ... it's all about cash ...

the US should be met with physical resistance wherever it invades, that doesn't mean we should constantly be confrontational. basically keep jihad on the battlefield, and desist from fighting when they desist.Well said ...

[neelu]

There should be a third option. Like "both" or like "refugee no make good poll" :p. If "both" were listed as an option, I'd pick it; use diplomacy and good manners to carry the message of Islam to Muslims and non Muslims we come into contact with and by confrontation, send the army of jihad to chuck out the soldiers occupying our lands.

Sorry Dana, but it is a war against Islam. The government terminology of 'evil ideology' is a direct reference to Islam and the use of the term 'moderate Islam' is an attempt by the Kufaar to push Muslims into abandoning many key aspects of Islam in order to support the Kufaar against Islam itself. Kufaar authorities use the words 'terrorists' instead of 'Islam' because they know that if they're more overt in their hatred towards it, the Ummah will unite against them and they will fail to subjugate us.

[TiTo]

We want you dead (possibly more than that if that existed) because you want us dead.

If we want you dead then why are muslims still in this world? Or even in the US for this matter. Are we not capable of wiping out muslims? How hard can it be to kill some 3,000,000 muslims in a nation of 300,000,000?
Muslims are outgunned, outnumbered, outriched, and out of everything. The only thing that saves them is perhaps, *gasp* perhaps the Americans don't really want muslims dead at all?

[TiTo]

There should be a third option. Like "both" or like "refugee no make good poll" :p. If "both" were listed as an option, I'd pick it; use diplomacy and good manners to carry the message of Islam to Muslims and non Muslims we come into contact with and by confrontation, send the army of jihad to chuck out the soldiers occupying our lands.

Sorry Dana, but it is a war against Islam. The government terminology of 'evil ideology' is a direct reference to Islam and the use of the term 'moderate Islam' is an attempt by the Kufaar to push Muslims into abandoning many key aspects of Islam in order to support the Kufaar against Islam itself. Kufaar authorities use the words 'terrorists' instead of 'Islam' because they know that if they're more overt in their hatred towards it, the Ummah will unite against them and they will fail to subjugate us.

And what can a fully united Ummah do to the US other than just to be big target? Do you seriously think the Ummah can win a total war with the US, where both sides would not care about casualties, costs etc? Lets stop dreaming. US isn't "scared" of a united ummah, perhaps in the sense that it might be accused of genocide should a total war comes with it.

[Ibn Sina]

If we want you dead then why are muslims still in this world? Or even in the US for this matter. Are we not capable of wiping out muslims? How hard can it be to kill some 3,000,000 muslims in a nation of 300,000,000?
Muslims are outgunned, outnumbered, outriched, and out of everything. The only thing that saves them is perhaps, *gasp* perhaps the Americans don't really want muslims dead at all?

Wallahi if you declare war on Islam openly you know that you'll be destroyed THATS WHY. But we already know that this is a war on Islam, attacking 2 Muslim countries (about to be 3) and labeling Muslims as terrorists consititues as a war on Islam to me. Don't lie to yourself, Islam is the largest obstacle to you, thats why you went into the Middle East to put in your puppets and to oust the Shariah Law and Islamic rule.

[UnoDosTres]

Wallahi if you declare war on Islam openly you know that you'll be destroyed THATS WHY. But we already know that this is a war on Islam, attacking 2 Muslim countries (about to be 3) and labeling Muslims as terrorists consititues as a war on Islam to me. Don't lie to yourself, Islam is the largest obstacle to you, thats why you went into the Middle East to impliment your puppets and to oust the Shariah Law and Islamic rule.

That's not why I went to war. I went to war in Afghanistan because a bunch of Muslims killed thousands of American civilians. I don't like many of the tactics I use, but there's not much I can do to stop it.

I didn't buy into the reasons to go to war with Iraq, but I went anyways. I just can't stop myself!

[TiTo]

Wallahi if you declare war on Islam openly you know that you'll be destroyed THATS WHY. But we already know that this is a war on Islam, attacking 2 Muslim countries (about to be 3) and labeling Muslims as terrorists consititues as a war on Islam to me. Don't lie to yourself, Islam is the largest obstacle to you, thats why you went into the Middle East to impliment your puppets and to oust the Shariah Law and Islamic rule.

LOLOLOLOL, ARE YOU SERIOUS? LOLLLLLL No1 gives a hoot about "Islam" in the US. NO1! No1 knew about it before 9-11 and it only came to the mind of ordinary Americans in the form of suicide bombers all thanks to your hero Bin Laden! Are you serious? We aren't allow to invade Afghanistan even after it attacked the US? LOL, get real and remember no1 cares what you think and type from your mom's basement. And Iraq and Iran are Shia countries, Shias aren't muslims as i've been told by a lot around here, infact they are even worse than the Jews I heard! LOL
LOL no the US won't be "destroyed" just because it would be involved in a total war with muslims. How are muslims going to destroy it LOL. Even with nukes you still can't because muslims don't have missiles to reach the US. Ofcourse you can say that some muslims will pretend to be civilians and try to hide a nuke bomb here but as i've said, in a total war no muslim will be given the previlege of hiding behind the US law as they do today LOL ;) Stick to what you do best by pretending to be innocent civilian while planting bombs. Just becareful not to push us too far or boom goes another country!

[TiTo]

Do muslims seriously believe they can win a war with the US in which there will be no restraints (muslims killing any american they see and americans killing any muslim it sees)? @)

[Ibn Sina]

LOLOLOLOL, ARE YOU SERIOUS? LOLLLLLL No1 gives a hoot about "Islam" in the US. NO1! No1 knew about it before 9-11 and it only came to the mind of ordinary Americans in the form of suicide bombers all thanks to your hero Bin Laden! Are you serious? We aren't allow to invade Afghanistan even after it attacked the US? LOL, get real and remember no1 cares what you think and type from your mom's basement. And Iraq and Iran are Shia countries, Shias aren't muslims as i've been told by a lot around here, infact they are even worse than the Jews I heard! LOL
LOL no the US won't be "destroyed" just because it would be involved in a total war with muslims. How are muslims going to destroy it LOL. Even with nukes you still can't because muslims don't have missiles to reach the US. Ofcourse you can say that some muslims will pretend to be civilians and try to hide a nuke bomb here but as i've said, in a total war no muslim will be given the previlege of hiding behind the US law as they do today LOL ;) Stick to what you do best by pretending to be innocent civilian while planting bombs. Just becareful not to push us too far or boom goes another country!

LOL nobody gives a "hoot" about Islam? Is that why all I ever hear on your news stations is that "Islamic terrorists did ..... Islamic fundementalists said ...." face it, Islam is all you talk about! Why did you join a Muslim forum anyway if you don't care? Why don't you leave Iraq if you don't care? Why not let the Muslims establish an Islamic State?

Anyway, go on carrying out your internet threats of countries going "boom" and see where it gets you, you'll end up like the Persians and Romans before you and the pagan Makkans. ;)

[Rizwan]

If we want you dead then why are muslims still in this world? Or even in the US for this matter. Are we not capable of wiping out muslims? How hard can it be to kill some 3,000,000 muslims in a nation of 300,000,000?
Muslims are outgunned, outnumbered, outriched, and out of everything. The only thing that saves them is perhaps, *gasp* perhaps the Americans don't really want muslims dead at all?

Our life is not in your hands, infidel, and never was. Our life is in the hands of Allah (swt), We have always been outgunned, outnumbered, outriched and out-everything else... but so long as we are not outdone on our Eemaan, then Allah (swt) is with us, all your power is worthless.

A strange people perhaps in your eyes, who put all their faith in the Unseen God, but on the Day of Reckoning when the veil of the Unseen is lifted, and that Reality hits you - that day you'll wish you never existed. This power you boast of today will pass away and then you will realize who the real Power on Earth is, it is Allah, and that He (swt) is the Only One, and that beside Him there is no other power.

So at the end of the day we owe our existence to Allah (swt), to Allah (swt) is our return, so go ahead and do your worst.

[TiTo]

LOL nobody gives a "hoot" about Islam? Is that why all I ever hear on your news stations is that "Islamic terrorists did ..... Islamic fundementalists said ...." face it, Islam is all you talk about! Why did you join a Muslim forum anyway if you don't care? Why don't you leave Iraq if you don't care? Why not let the Muslims establish an Islamic State?

Anyway, go on carrying out your internet threats of countries going "boom" and see where it gets you, you'll end up like the Persians and Romans before you and the pagan Makkans. ;)

Like i said, no1 gave a hoot about Islam BEFORE 9-11. No1 KNEW about it, no1 CARED about it, etc... All thanks to 9-11 and ur hero Osama Islam came to US mind in the form of suicide bombers. LOL what are we suppose to call them instead of Islamic terrorists etc? Buddhist terrorists? LOL. I joined this because i want to see what muslims really are in general, whether they are suicide bomb supporting bunch of group or peace loving, loyal citizens that shouldn't be associated with real terrorists as the media keeps telling us! LOL, now tell me what i am suppose to think?
Lad, its no "threat". It has happened and will happened. US invaded and bombed TWO countries just after some muslims bombed TWO of its buildings. You think US is going to tolerate more attacks without any retaliation?
What a lame reference with Persians and ROmans etc, let me try to top the lameness. Keep on thinking muslims can win a total war with the US, and you'll end up like the bombed out Nazi Germany!

[TiTo]

Our life is not in your hands, infidel, and never was. Our life is in the hands of Allah (swt), We have always been outgunned, outnumbered, outriched and out-everything else... but so long as we are not outdone on our Eemaan, then Allah (swt) is with us, all your power is worthless.

Oh no? If your lives are not in our hands then why do you keep blaming us for 500,000+++ deaths in Iraq? Why not blame Allah since he willed them to die?

A strange people perhaps in your eyes, who put all their faith in the Unseen God, but on the Day of Reckoning when the veil of the Unseen is lifted, and that Reality hits you - that day you'll wish you never existed. This power you boast of today will pass away and then you will realize who the real Power on Earth is, it is Allah, and that He (swt) is the Only One, and that beside Him there is no other power.

Not much strange, i am quite used to Christianity.

So at the end of the day we owe our existence to Allah (swt), to Allah (swt) is our return, so go ahead and do your worst.

And you do yours...

[Rizwan]

TiTo]Oh no? If your lives are not in our hands then why do you keep blaming us for 500,000+++ deaths in Iraq? Why not blame Allah since he willed them to die?Because he gave you Free Will as well, if you use that privilege to kill innocents (be it a Muslim killing you, or you killing Muslims) you will be judged for each drop of blood you shed.


Not much strange, i am quite used to Christianity.

That idolatry you call Monotheism?

And you do yours...

Yep, see you in the Afterlife.

[TiTo]

Because he gave you Free Will as well, if you use that privilege to kill innocents (be it a Muslim killing you, or you killing Muslims) you will be judged for each drop of blood you shed.

You just told me muslims' lives aren't in the hands of the US but in the hands of Allah. Yet somehow US can kill muslims as you clearly know. Which equates to US being able to dictate if muslims live or die. I am not talking about the afterlifes ofcourse.

That idolatry you call Monotheism?

@)

Yep, see you in the Afterlife.

I'll prefer to see in real life for lunch or w/e. I don't plan on killing muslims and don't believe the US is too. Thats why i made the points that i did.
But afterlife's good too i suppose.

[Ibn Sina]

Like i said, no1 gave a hoot about Islam BEFORE 9-11. No1 KNEW about it, no1 CARED about it, etc... All thanks to 9-11 and ur hero Osama Islam came to US mind in the form of suicide bombers. LOL what are we suppose to call them instead of Islamic terrorists etc? Buddhist terrorists? LOL. I joined this because i want to see what muslims really are in general, whether they are suicide bomb supporting bunch of group or peace loving, loyal citizens that shouldn't be associated with real terrorists as the media keeps telling us! LOL, now tell me what i am suppose to think?
Lad, its no "threat". It has happened and will happened. US invaded and bombed TWO countries just after some muslims bombed TWO of its buildings. You think US is going to tolerate more attacks without any retaliation?
What a lame reference with Persians and ROmans etc, let me try to top the lameness. Keep on thinking muslims can win a total war with the US, and you'll end up like the bombed out Nazi Germany!

Ya Kaffir, you are no better the Nazis you bombed and you are just as arrogant and ignorant. You think your mass arsenal of weapons will protect you, what use were they when Katrina happened? Or the tornado that just hit in Alabama?

إِذَا جَاء نَصْرُ اللَّهِ وَالْفَتْحُ
When comes the Help of Allah, and Victory

[TiTo]

Ya Kaffir, you are no better the Nazis you bombed and you are just as arrogant and ignorant. You think your mass arsenal of weapons will protect you, what use were they when Katrina happened? Or the tornado that just hit in Alabama?

إِذَا جَاء نَصْرُ اللَّهِ وَالْفَتْحُ
When comes the Help of Allah, and Victory

LOL can you be lamer? Using your "logic", let me turn the table. You think your Islamic faith will protect you, what use was it when the tsunami struck in 2004 when nearly 200,000 people, majority of them muslims died? Or the earthquake in Pakistan that killed 70,000?

[defendtherealm]

Dumb post #1: we don't want you dead ... get real

Dumb post #2: I don't think the jihadists are all that discriminatory when it comes to killing Americans ...

All oil countries economies go in the tank ... it's all about cash ...

Well said ...

Ignatius for Peace, of course you want all muslims dead. If you didn't, you wouldn't particpate in a system which allows a government to be elected which could directly or indirectly harm muslims through their policies. The only way to guarantee a government which will not harm any muslims, is to have an Islamic one. Anything else would be a totally disrespectful to the worlds muslims, near and far.

The answer is to refuse to pay your taxes, organise resistance against the American government and blow yourself up at the nearest government agency, taking out as many people as possible.

I think Oceanic is being very reasonable and restrained about all of this.

/sarcasm.

[Tahajjud]

Assalaamu 'aleykum.

I just wanna see your views, brothers and sisters.
As you know, the U.S. declared war against Muslims all over the world and do all means to harrass Muslims and make life miserable for us, Muslims.
But, somehow, it seems the Muslim world is divided on how to deal with this enemy. There are those who belive the U.S. has done much and it is time to say enough is enough. Some, would say, hey, we are not prepared, just yet.
So, in this light, I thought, I should ask you ....


Going back to the orginal question...IF they have declared war, then its time for Jihad, but they dont have the guts (nor anything else for that matter) to say it outright or else they know they will showered with blasts in all four directions.

Anyhow, I think if they attack Iran...muslims need to dismiss all this sunni.shiite stuff, unite and declare jihad. But sometimes I feel this thing of unity is just a dream.

Only Allah knows whats in the future. I dream of joining jihad! Allah hu Akbar!!!!!!!!!!

[Tahajjud]

Ummm pixi the war is not against Islam it's against TERRORISTS!!!

And who are the terrorists...?? Muslims..who adhere to ISlam , declaring war on them is declaring war on all of us...BTW...they are not terrorists they are freedom fighters ..learn how to label people. :rolleyes:

[Tahajjud]

And what can a fully united Ummah do to the US other than just to be big target? Do you seriously think the Ummah can win a total war with the US, where both sides would not care about casualties, costs etc? Lets stop dreaming. US isn't "scared" of a united ummah, perhaps in the sense that it might be accused of genocide should a total war comes with it.


Very very ...EASILY. The thing i have seen is that American soldiers are cowards at best.

[oneshot]

Well, in my view, most Muslims are way too embroiled in the tiny intellectual corner they've painted themselves into. Nothing can ever "go right", and there is no sense of trying to work together (with the exception of one's own little circle of cohorts - call it clan, family, neighborhood, etc.) toward a common good. Muslims huddle in misery because the overwhelming culture is one of suspicion and wanting to keep anything "good" from happening, because it might help someone who is not in your own little circle, a little more than it might help you!

This is the culture where people are willing to accept the most absurd conspiracy theories (the west sits up all night long plotting against "Islam", because the west just can't stand the thought of Muslims worshipping God and being happy), because accepting the conspiracy then gives the person a perfectly good reason NOT TO TRY TO MAKE THINGS BETTER!

Where on Earth are the Muslims of old? The Muslims that delighted the world with science and poetry and philosophy and medicine and art and learning? Where are the open minds that promoted long term planning and building things up? I see the Muslims here complain that "they are held down" by the west. From my eyes, I have to say the Muslims are the ones that are holding themselves down by their refusal to work together toward a common good! Why don't the people of the ME countries unite, and toss out their rotten leadership, and then put some one that can be held accountable in to actually "Lead"?

Again, the sad truth is that Muslim thinking cripples us from actually identifying the real enemy (selfishness and an unwillingness to work toward a common good), and has us chasing imagined boogiemen throughout the night! Good Lord, how the House of Saud must laugh behind our backs! Of course, it is so easy for them to hold on to power, because the majority of Saudis just can't get into action, and those that do are fooled into fighting the Shia, or the west, or Isreal, or God knows who else when who they ought to be uniting against is their own rotten leaders who plunder the spoils from the Earth and give NOTHING BACK to the people of the land!

Time to wake up, Muslims! Unite! Unite to form a Kilafah, and hold the leaders responsible for making plans for improvement, and then sticking to those plans! It makes me sick to see the Iraqis squander this magnificant chance to get off on a perfect track! If they had any sense, they would have held the Americans accountable for all the damage the war did, and sat back and let them build them a near paradise at US taxpayer expense. Instead, due to greed, mistrust and a failure to unite for the common good, they sit and wallow in misery, and for lack of anything better to do rekindle ancient anomosities amongst themselves and then sit back and let it grow completely out of control!

Islam, I weep for your children. Won't SOMEONE stand up and point these things out???

[defendtherealm]

Very very ...EASILY. The thing i have seen is that American soldiers are cowards at best.

Even if that was true, even cowards can be very very dangerous.

[Muhajir]

Muslims must first go through the dialogue side

[tayfah-mansurah]

some good points towards the end


Well, in my view, most Muslims are way too embroiled in the tiny intellectual corner they've painted themselves into. Nothing can ever "go right", and there is no sense of trying to work together (with the exception of one's own little circle of cohorts - call it clan, family, neighborhood, etc.) toward a common good. Muslims huddle in misery because the overwhelming culture is one of suspicion and wanting to keep anything "good" from happening, because it might help someone who is not in your own little circle, a little more than it might help you!

This is the culture where people are willing to accept the most absurd conspiracy theories (the west sits up all night long plotting against "Islam", because the west just can't stand the thought of Muslims worshipping God and being happy), because accepting the conspiracy then gives the person a perfectly good reason NOT TO TRY TO MAKE THINGS BETTER!

Where on Earth are the Muslims of old? The Muslims that delighted the world with science and poetry and philosophy and medicine and art and learning? Where are the open minds that promoted long term planning and building things up? I see the Muslims here complain that "they are held down" by the west. From my eyes, I have to say the Muslims are the ones that are holding themselves down by their refusal to work together toward a common good! Why don't the people of the ME countries unite, and toss out their rotten leadership, and then put some one that can be held accountable in to actually "Lead"?

Again, the sad truth is that Muslim thinking cripples us from actually identifying the real enemy (selfishness and an unwillingness to work toward a common good), and has us chasing imagined boogiemen throughout the night! Good Lord, how the House of Saud must laugh behind our backs! Of course, it is so easy for them to hold on to power, because the majority of Saudis just can't get into action, and those that do are fooled into fighting the Shia, or the west, or Isreal, or God knows who else when who they ought to be uniting against is their own rotten leaders who plunder the spoils from the Earth and give NOTHING BACK to the people of the land!

Time to wake up, Muslims! Unite! Unite to form a Kilafah, and hold the leaders responsible for making plans for improvement, and then sticking to those plans! It makes me sick to see the Iraqis squander this magnificant chance to get off on a perfect track! If they had any sense, they would have held the Americans accountable for all the damage the war did, and sat back and let them build them a near paradise at US taxpayer expense. Instead, due to greed, mistrust and a failure to unite for the common good, they sit and wallow in misery, and for lack of anything better to do rekindle ancient anomosities amongst themselves and then sit back and let it grow completely out of control!

Islam, I weep for your children. Won't SOMEONE stand up and point these things out???

[Babbage]

As you know, the U.S. declared war against Muslims all over the world

Really?
Where and when?

[umm_huraiyrah]

Where have I ever said I want Muslims dead? Where have I even implied it?

If I truly wanted to see loads of dead Muslims, shouldn't I support the US decision to go to Iraq and all of the tactics used by the US in Afghanistan?

Ps. I was joking when I said I cut off Muslims when driving. I don't cut off anyone (well, not that I know of).


Yeah I noticed you had nothing to say when I said I would have turned around chased you down and show you old fashioned oklahoma butt whooping. Can't handle a sister who sticks up for herself? Especially one not afraid to kick your butt?? Muslim Bashed the wrong sister didn't you?

Habiba

[UnoDosTres]

Yeah I noticed you had nothing to say when I said I would have turned around chased you down and show you old fashioned oklahoma butt whooping. Can't handle a sister who sticks up for herself? Especially one not afraid to kick your butt?? Muslim Bashed the wrong sister didn't you?

Habiba

Ah, you got me. I'll do my best not to cut you off in the future.

Of course I'll try not to cut off anyone, but especially YOU!!!

[umm_huraiyrah]

And who are the terrorists...?? Muslims..who adhere to ISlam , declaring war on them is declaring war on all of us...BTW...they are not terrorists they are freedom fighters ..learn how to label people. :rolleyes:


No terrorism is global. Look at all the militia groups in the states. White racist grups, the ones that blow up abortion clinic's, the uni bomber. And I'm just naming some in the states. :rolleyes: terrorism is a global problem. And if we don't all make peace, then i'm afraid our end day's are near.

Habiba

[umm_huraiyrah]

Ah, you got me. I'll do my best not to cut you off in the future.

Of course I'll try not to cut off anyone, but especially YOU!!!

Good :torture: :torture:

Habiba

[AbuMubarak]

you can confront thru dialogue, thats the beauty of this deen, there are so many types of dawa

from actual fighting to disliking the evil within your heart, but that is the lowest of faith

[Nusayba bint Ka'b]

Insha'Allah sooner or later the Amereekan Empire will be defeated. It's all a matter of time and the sooner we have the khalifah the nearer the defeat.

Amreeka knows this, thats why wherever on earth the blag flag of la ilaha ilalah is woven high they will be there to make sure that hand who flew it will be cut. We've seen how they tried to destroy the taliban, and how they fought the somali mujahideen because they were about to establish the shariah in their land.

They are really not very stupid they've been planning this for centuries, but the big question is how long can this empire sustain itself through millitery power? Not long, and an evil empire is known to always bring its own destruction through its own hands.

Soon America will run out of power, art of war helicopters, and missles to drop on poor defenceless people in villages and tanks to shoot from without being touched by their enemy.

They can't fight, they learn only how to shoot and sit in a tank do their evil job while they're resting.

I have no doubt that one day a day will come when America will be defeated and all its allies.

Without Jihad none of that will ever be possible.

[Enigma Dreamer]

Ummm pixi the war is not against Islam it's against TERRORISTS!!!
I extremely disagree with you, my sister. As I said before, every human being with an ounce of inteligence understands that the U.S. declared war on Islam. How else would you explain when they shut down Al Barakat-just a mere business for money transfer. They always stand by the zionsists and use veto to defend them. You remember the 3 U.N. wokers (and they weren't even Muslims) who were killed deliberately by the zionist during their illegal war in Lebanon and when the council convened just to condemn-a mere condemnation-, the U.S. said no. I just can't list the exapmles, they are endless. Walaahi, I am utterly shocked how a sister can say that this war against her own ummah is a war on terrorists- a term used by the very own leaders of real terrorists.

[AbuMubarak]

the us has outwardly declared war against radical islam

and when you look at their definition of radical islam, its any muslim who wants to live in accordance with quran and sunnah

so we can do the semantic thing, but bottom line, its a war against muslims, islam and Allah

and we all know who will be the victor

[UnoDosTres]

the us has outwardly declared war against radical islam

and when you look at their definition of radical islam, its any muslim who wants to live in accordance with quran and sunnah

so we can do the semantic thing, but bottom line, its a war against muslims, islam and Allah

and we all know who will be the victor


Since when does crashing planes into buildings, blowing up trains & subways, clubs, etc. equates living in accordance to the Quran and Sunnah?

[pixi]

Be fair. There is no mention of either planes or subways in the Qur'an. Clubs either, now that I think of it.

So crashing and bombing of same is clearly not forbidden

[umm_huraiyrah]

I extremely disagree with you, my sister. As I said before, every human being with an ounce of inteligence understands that the U.S. declared war on Islam. How else would you explain when they shut down Al Barakat-just a mere business for money transfer. They always stand by the zionsists and use veto to defend them. You remember the 3 U.N. wokers (and they weren't even Muslims) who were killed deliberately by the zionist during their illegal war in Lebanon and when the council convened just to condemn-a mere condemnation-, the U.S. said no. I just can't list the exapmles, they are endless. Walaahi, I am utterly shocked how a sister can say that this war against her own ummah is a war on terrorists- a term used by the very own leaders of real terrorists.

Well I think it's more concentrated on Radical and extremist islamic terrorists tight now. And I'm not defending anything so don't put words in my mouth. I don't agree with this whole mess that we are all in. I'm not going to defend the US or the terrorists. I defend ISlam. But to what my Iamam taught me was the terrorists was the radical and extremists that take the quran and twist it to their satisfaction. So don't put words in my mouth ok? I just think it's time to make peace. If we keep retaliating it's not gonna get us anywhere. It's just going to make matters worse for everyone.

Habiba

[BubbleGum]

Very very ...EASILY. The thing i have seen is that American soldiers are cowards at best.

Where have you seen this? Personal experience? Just curious.

~Bub

[Enigma Dreamer]

Well I think it's more concentrated on Radical and extremist islamic terrorists tight now. And I'm not defending anything so don't put words in my mouth. I don't agree with this whole mess that we are all in. I'm not going to defend the US or the terrorists. I defend ISlam. But to what my Iamam taught me was the terrorists was the radical and extremists that take the quran and twist it to their satisfaction. So don't put words in my mouth ok? I just think it's time to make peace. If we keep retaliating it's not gonna get us anywhere. It's just going to make matters worse for everyone.

Habiba

Alright, sister.
I am sorry if I sounded offensive.
May Allah (s.w.) guide us all to the right path.
I conclude by reminding you the last verse in suratul Mujaadala in which Allah (s.w.), the Almighty says:

'You shall not find a people who believe in Allah and the latter day befriending those who act in opposition to Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their (own) fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kinsfolk; these are they into whose hearts He has impressed faith, and whom He has strengthened with an inspiration from Him: and He will cause them to enter gardens beneath which rivers flow, abiding therein; Allah is well-pleased with them and they are well-pleased with Him these are Allah's party: now surely the party of Allah are the successful ones.'

[umm_huraiyrah]

Yeah you was a little offensive and judgemental. Thats ok. I don't agree with us being there or muslims killing muslims or terror attacks or terrorists period. I take none of these sides. I take the side of Islam. But conservative Islam the Islam I was taught. Don't judge me or stick words in my mouth agin. Thank you. Jazak'Allah Khair

Habiba

[Enigma Dreamer]

Yeah you was a little offensive and judgemental. Thats ok. I don't agree with us being there or muslims killing muslims or terror attacks or terrorists period. I take none of these sides. I take the side of Islam. But conservative Islam the Islam I was taught. Don't judge me or stick words in my mouth agin. Thank you. Jazak'Allah Khair

Habiba
Thanks too.
And JazaakilLaahu kherian too, sister.
May Allah (s.w.) guide us always to the right path.

[Nusayba bint Ka'b]

Alot of people who are being labeled as "extremists, terrorists" are people like me and you who'se brothers have been raped by the American thugs troops who btw have criminal records when they enter iraq to quench their thirst for blood killing innocent women and children.

Sister dana don't believe the things u see on your news it's all lies.

Often the ones who are being called "extremists" are the ones who are good people.

The Kufars are known to call themselves the "peace-makers" yet they are the ones who bring nothing but destruction to the Muslim world, kill innocent people, rape men and women alike and call that "liberity".

[Hamza Momand]

dialogue?
but abt what
for the things which have never been done by muslims.
dialogue abt the things which america has already planned 40 or 50 years ago
we can not stop them wiht dialogue
ask that mom who has lost his only son
ask that wife who has lost his husband
ask that sister who he has been raped several times in iraq and afghanistan
ask that little boy who has lost his family
ask those peoples who have lost there legs, arms, eyes


NO DIALOGUE