This is not Hijab ... this "hijab" needs an hijab

[Um Abdullah]

Assalamu alaykum


what is Hijab and what is not ?

The purpose behind Hijab ?

To not attrack attentions of desire.
modesty


conditions of Hijab:

1_ To cover whole body, except hands and face according to a number of scholars. (no arguing this issue please)
Includes covering the FEET which many sisters don't do and are lineant in.
There is a clear hadith about covering the feet.
don't have it ready with me right now and would appreciate if someone posts it.


2_ loose (not tight) and not showing shape of body parts in general

3_ not see through.

4_ not resembling clothing of kuffar

5_ not resembling clothing of men

6_ not being decoritive (zina) in itself

7_ not to be clothing of shohra (fame) > something new and strange, not well known.




so according to the above conditions (I hope I didn't forget one) the following contradict hijab

1_ wearning makeup for ones who show their face, that is showing beauty which contradicts purpost of hijab

2_ wearning tight abayas that show the shape, and I have seen sisters who wear abayahs that are kind of somewhat tight around the waste, or at the top part of the body, contradicts # 2 and purpose of hijab

3_ pants , showing shape of legs, and worse is wear pants with a shirt that reachs only the waste, where the whole bottom part of the body is not covered with the shirt, showing shape of thighs and what is above, which can't be hidden when wearing pants and not covered with very long shirt.

4_ not covering the feet > rule # 1

5_ wearning decorative abayahs, that have nice designs on it, that attract attention, I remember seeing a sister wearing a green abayah with pretty designs on it, I just kept on stearing at the pretty abayah, I am a woman and its prettiness attracted me, what do u think it would do to a man?
many abayas today woren for hijab especially black ones have pretty designs on it, and many of them are not loose, they are either tight at the top or in the waist, and this is NOT hijab.


also many head covers (khimars) do not hang over the bossoms, which is important, and is mentioned in the ayah of hijab, so it must be long enough to hang over the top part of the body, covering the neck and chest part.


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conclusion, wear a jilbab that is big and loose, with no designs on it, wear socks to cover feet, and make sure your khimar is long where it covers your upper part.

it is not difficult, why insist on wearing pants or tight or decoritive abayahs or jilbabs?

are you wearing hijab to show off ?
or you want to look pretty?
that is all against the purpose of hijab.

I remember my friend telling me that she asked her father one day, "which jilbab is nicer (looking) ? " (she had to of her jilbabs out showing them to her father)
so he said to wear the uglier one, for she shouldn't be wearing something pretty (attracting) for hijab.

I saw an abayah being sold for hijab, and that abayah looked like something pretty to wear to an occasion !
I wanted to buy it to wear it when i go to a wedding, because it is pretty and it is loose and covering.

but I was shocked when I was told that it is worn for hijab !!

if a sister wore that outside for hijab I would be staring at her abayah admiring it, it was really pretty in my eyes.

sorry for the long post, but I had to write something about this.

I see many sister wearing "hijab" that is NOT hijab, and is far away from being hijab, and it attracts attention of desire.

and it really hurts the heart.

sorry for not mentioning the ayat and hadith, I just wrote this from my head and without preparation, so I don't have the ayat and hadiths ready
but I would appreciate if someone would post the ayat and hadith regarding the feet especially.


note: forgot to mention something regarding the niqab, some sisters widen the opening for the eyes, showing eyebrows and showing half of the cheek, this is wrong, if your going to cover your face you only show ur eyes, no eyebrows or cheeks.
also worse is to wear khuhl on eyes (dont' remember what it is called in English) when wearing niqab, it shows beauty of the eyes which are very attractive.
so if ur going to wear niqab wear it right.

[Um Abdullah]

excuse the mistake in the title
I meant "a hijab"
not "an hijab"

I type fast so I make many typing errors

[Um Abdullah]

I like the hijab that I have seen some somali women wearing, long loose dress and a very long khimar that reaches below the knees.

[Um Abdullah]

some pictures I came across of proper hijabshttp://www.users.cloud9.net/~bradmcc/GO/attire3.gif

http://www.islam.no/newsite/images/articles/khimar.jpg http://www.barakallah.com/images/long_olive_khimar.jpghttp://www.modernmuslima.com/whitekhimar.jpg

[Um Abdullah]

some images of proper niqab

http://www.modernmuslima.com/halfniqab.jpghttp://www.modernmuslima.com/niqabeyes.jpg
http://www.modernmuslima.com/tieniqab.jpg

[Um Abdullah]

A somali hijab !

http://www.cgstock.com/pics/2060.jpg

[Um Abdullah]

proper jilbabs and abayas

http://www.simplyislam.com/images/dbase/53960.jpg
Remember, ur hijab is supposed to be plain, not attractive.
you are not going to a party, you are following the commands of Allah to be modest, and not attract attentions of desire.
Hijab is not a fashion.
we want to do what pleases Allah not our desires and nafs.


The sad thing is that in the west it is not easy to find proper jilbabs that are loose, and not decoritive (even in some arab countries it is difficult !! :( )

if you can't find a loose jilbab with no attracting designs on it, just wear a long khimar over it that covers those designs, and the top fitting part of the jilbab.

long khimars are very helpful in hiding the tight and decoritive parts that are found in many abayas and jilbabs, that is if you couldn't find any loose plain/ very lightly embroidered (that doesn't attract) jilbabs and abayas.

Here are examples of very lightly embroidered loose abayas that are not attractive, if you couldn't find a plain one

http://www.dar-us-salam.com/clothes/WA12-LightlyEmbroidered.jpg
(note: the top part will be covered with khimar)

and if you can get them sewn, that will be good.

[AbuMubarak]

good thread

[Arifa]

some images of proper niqab

http://www.modernmuslima.com/halfniqab.jpghttp://www.modernmuslima.com/niqabeyes.jpg
http://www.modernmuslima.com/tieniqab.jpg

I don't agree with the yellow niqaab :rubeyes:

[Umm 'Umarah]

I like the hijab that I have seen some somali women wearing, long loose dress and a very long khimar that reaches below the knees.

Yeah, Somali women look so beautiful Masha'Allaah. :love:

[.: hayat :.]

Muslim dress..


Wearing black for women is not a must. They may wear other colours that are worn only by women, do not attract attention and do not provoke desire. Many women choose to wear black, not because it is obligatory, but because it is farthest removed from being an adornment.

The conditions of muslim dress:

Firstly:

(It should cover all the body apart from whatever has been exempted).

It is obligatory to cover all of a woman’s beauty and adornments and not to display any part of that before non-mahram men (“strangers”) except for whatever appears unintentionally, in which case there will be no sin on them if they hasten to cover it up.

This means that she should not display any part of her adornment to non-mahrams, apart from that which it is impossible to conceal such as the cloak and robe, i.e., what the women of the Arabs used to wear, an outer garment which covered whatever the woman was wearing, except for whatever appeared from beneath the outer garment. There is no sin on a woman with regard to this because it is impossible to conceal it.

Secondly:

(it should not be an adornment in and of itself).

The outer garment, because if it is decorated it will attract men’s attention to her.

Thirdly:

(It should be thick and not transparent or “see-thru”).

- because it cannot cover properly otherwise. Transparent or see-thru clothing makes a woman more tempting and beautiful. There are women who wear clothes made of light fabric which describes and does not cover. They are clothed in name but naked in reality.

Fourthly:

(It should be loose, not tight so that it describes any part of the body).

The purpose of clothing is to prevent fitnah (temptation), and this can only be achieved if clothes are wide and loose. Tight clothes, even if they conceal the colour of the skin, still describe the size and shape of the body or part of it, and create a vivid image in the minds of men. The corruption or invitation to corruption that is inherent in that is quite obvious. So the clothes must be wide.

Fifthly:

(It should not be perfumed with bakhoor or fragrance).

The prohibition covers perfume applied to the body, it also covers perfume applied to the clothes. The reason for this prohibition is quite clear, which is that women’s fragrance may cause undue provocation of desires. The scholars also included other things under this heading of things to be avoided by women who want to go to the mosque, such as beautiful clothes, jewellery that can be seen, excessive adornments and mingling with men.

Sixthly:

(It should not resemble the clothing of men).

It is forbidden for women to imitate men and vice versa, this usually includes dress and other matters.

Seventhly:

(It should not resemble the dress of kaafir women).

It is stated in sharee’ah that Muslims, men and women alike, should not resemble or imitate the kuffaar with regard to worship, festivals or clothing that is specific to them. This is an important Islamic principle which nowadays, unfortunately, is neglected by many Muslims, even those who care about religion and calling others to Islam. This is due either to ignorance of their religion, or because they are following their own whims and desires, or because of deviation, combined with modern customs and imitation of kaafir Europe. This was one of the causes of the Muslims’ decline and weakness, which enabled the foreigners to overwhelm and colonize them.

Eighthly:

(It should not be a garment of fame and vanity).

[.: hayat :.]

i do not agree with those hugeeee....things called hijabs but better put them on bed or table...i think we should not exagerate or be too conservative and put us in a bag and think it is good..islam is not complicate...hijab must cover hair properly and neck and we must have decent dress...i liked tht i posted before with blue...we must not wear just black or white nor hard colours of high intensity..we can wear every colour but not be shining...should be kinda pastel...beige,cream,delicate pink,brown,grey...and respect the generall conditions but not be strictly..

[M. Siddiqi]

Alhamdulillah, this is an excellent topic which I hope many sisters read and then apply to their own lives if they aren't already.

Sisters, the best thing you can do, which is the same of all issues in Islam, is to first apply this to your life, then your family, then tell your other sisters in Islam and encourage them to follow the guidelines the Qur'an, Sunnah, and sunnah of the Prophet's wives have given us.

[tru muslimah]

subhanALLAH..

may ALLAh reward ya

(BTW sum kewl hijaabs there)

[Um Abdullah]

I don't agree with the yellow niqaab :rubeyes:

it depends on the country you are in
some countries it is the norm for women to wear colors like orange and red in hijab, and it doesn't bring much attraction ( I mean the color) because that is the common, and I noticed somalian women wearing those kind of colors

but in other countries there are specific colors that are common there and colors like blue, green, pink, purple ..etc. attract attention
especially bright colors.
and in some countries most colors are common except for bright ones like yellow, red ..etc.


but that niqab is an example of a type of niqab, doesn't necessarly mean the color is right. :)
I had a little hard time finding good pictures.

[.: Anna :.]

The thing about the feet is that there is an opinion within the hanafi madhhab that the feet are not awra and do not have to be covered, therefore even if not wishing to following that yourself, it is not necessary to chastise others if they do not cover feet as that is a legitimate opinion within that school. However people may not be careless with it by exposing the ankle or anything more than that, which some ppl do and every school agrees that is not correct

[Hafsah]

The thing about the feet is that there is an opinion within the hanafi madhhab that the feet are not awra and do not have to be covered, therefore even if not wishing to following that yourself, it is not necessary to chastise others if they do not cover feet as that is a legitimate opinion within that school. However people may not be careless with it by exposing the ankle or anything more than that, which some ppl do and every school agrees that is not correct

i heard that hanafi madhab doesnt consider that feet have to covered because you jilbaab should cover your feet

[ummbilal]

A somali hijab !

http://www.cgstock.com/pics/2060.jpg

somalli hijaab rocks..i want one inshaallah

[.: Anna :.]

i heard that hanafi madhab doesnt consider that feet have to covered because you jilbaab should cover your feetthe opinion i am referring to is that the feet themselves are not awra. if feet are covered by jilbab then they are covered arent they?

[Ceren]

the opinion i am referring to is that the feet themselves are not awra. if feet are covered by jilbab then they are covered arent they?

That's correct. There is a hanafi opinion in which the feet are not part of the awrah and thus doesn't neet to be covered. It's mentioned in many hanafi books including Radd al-Muhtar.

Secondly regarding the rest... even at the time of the prophet(there are ahadith that show this that have been discussed here in the past), women wore colored clothes and clothes that had patterns.

You can look nice and elegant without looking "sexy" (and interestingly enough, you can look "sexy" without looking nice and elegant! :))

And Allah knows best.

[.: Anna :.]

(and interestingly enough, you can look "sexy" without looking nice and elegant! :))

And Allah knows best.
lol definately that is true :p

[Um Abdullah]

The thing about the feet is that there is an opinion within the hanafi madhhab that the feet are not awra and do not have to be covered, therefore even if not wishing to following that yourself, it is not necessary to chastise others if they do not cover feet as that is a legitimate opinion within that school. However people may not be careless with it by exposing the ankle or anything more than that, which some ppl do and every school agrees that is not correct

ukhti check with a Hanafi scholar

there is a difference between saying feet is awrah and that it is from the parts of the body that have to be covered for hijab

I have heard that feet don't have to be covered in salat, but have to be covered in hijab

so it is not awrah in salat but has to be covered in hijab

also, awrah of a women in front of a women is different than awrah of a women in front of a man,
also in salat, awrah that should be covered in salat is not same as in hijab
like many have opinion that face and hands have to be covered in front of non mahram men, while in salat they say that face and hands are not to be covered

I have never heard that their is a third opinion regarding hijab
the ones that I have always heard is that some say all of the body should be covered, and others say that all except hands and face.

so ask a Hanafi scholar, and ask him if in "hijab" (in front of non mahram me) if the Hanafi opinion is that feet are to be covered in hijab or not.

because you might be refereing to salat, and u confused it with hijab.

[Um Abdullah]

Secondly regarding the rest... even at the time of the prophet(there are ahadith that show this that have been discussed here in the past), women wore colored clothes and clothes that had patterns.

it depends on teh kind of pattern and the country ur in
some countries women do not wear patterns for hijab, it is not common, they wear plain color, and if one of them wore one with patterns she would attract eveyones attention.
this is not right.
but in some countries it is the common to wear a pattern and it draws no attention at all, and doesnt' attract men, for it is the common with womens hijab
so when it comes to the colors and patterns it has to do with the custome of the country
that is why in the conditions of the hijab, no specific color is mentioned.

but all other conditions must be followed in every place.
but colors and patterns are connected to the custome of the coutry



You can look nice and elegant without looking "sexy" (and interestingly enough, you can look "sexy" without looking nice and elegant! :))

And Allah knows best.

that is not the norm.
there are men who attack old women, not because they are pretty looking, but because those men are animals.


also, an important point, Muslim men when seeing a Muslim women all covered in proper hijab, he would only look at her in respect, because he knows she is a chaste woman.
even the fasiq Muslims, would not attack a chaste woman, he would look to her in respect, and many men in Muslim countries who harrass girls and do mu'akasat have said that we respect the Muslim woman who wears proper hijab, we only attack ones who do not wear hijab.

so the issue isn't just the attraction of desire, but also to let the man know that this woman is chaste, and that is what is in the ayah of hijab

(ذلك أدنى أن يعرفن فلا يؤذين)

[Ceren]

also, an important point, Muslim men when seeing a Muslim women all covered in proper hijab, he would only look at her in respect, because he knows she is a chaste woman.
even the fasiq Muslims, would not attack a chaste woman, he would look to her in respect, and many men in Muslim countries who harrass girls and do mu'akasat have said that we respect the Muslim woman who wears proper hijab, we only attack ones who do not wear hijab.

so the issue isn't just the attraction of desire, but also to let the man know that this woman is chaste, and that is what is in the ayah of hijab

(ذلك أدنى أن يعرفن فلا يؤذين)

:salams

I don't know if you've lived in a Muslim country but, unfortunately, this is not the case. Whether you wear the most proper hijab or not, you get harrassed. Even if you wear a big, black abaya with black hijab.

Even here in North America, I know many white converts that dress modestly. When they don't wear hijab, no one looks at them. But when they wear hijab, Muslim men (esp. taxi drivers!) approach them in a too friendly.

We need to stop, IMHO, stressing this "wear this so you'll be protected", because what it has done is made us responsible for a men's behavior. Men need to learn how to behave, regardless of how the woman is dressed. And unfortunately, this is not stressed enough in our religion. Women dressing modestly is waaaay more stressed than men dressing modestly.

And then you get what happened in Cairo last 'eid, where men just went crazy and started harrassing and taking the clothes out of women with all the proper hijab, even with niqab.

And Allah knows best.

[tru muslimah]

i heard that hanafi madhab doesnt consider that feet have to covered because you jilbaab should cover your feet

covering feet is not included in the satr in the hanafi madhab as are the hands and teh face
so u wunt hafta wear socks in ur salah or summat
but the feet hafta be covered in the jilbab/hijaab cz dats part of coverin' innit :)

[Um Abdullah]

:salams

I don't know if you've lived in a Muslim country but, unfortunately, this is not the case. Whether you wear the most proper hijab or not, you get harrassed. Even if you wear a big, black abaya with black hijab.

Even here in North America, I know many white converts that dress modestly. When they don't wear hijab, no one looks at them. But when they wear hijab, Muslim men (esp. taxi drivers!) approach them in a too friendly.

We need to stop, IMHO, stressing this "wear this so you'll be protected", because what it has done is made us responsible for a men's behavior. Men need to learn how to behave, regardless of how the woman is dressed. And unfortunately, this is not stressed enough in our religion. Women dressing modestly is waaaay more stressed than men dressing modestly.

And then you get what happened in Cairo last 'eid, where men just went crazy and started harrassing and taking the clothes out of women with all the proper hijab, even with niqab.

And Allah knows best.

wa alaykum assalam
ukhti
I have lived in my home country most of my life (arab country), and I know this in my country, women who dress proper hijab are respected and not harrased, men who harrass have confessed that, and it is noticed by people.
It even happened to me, I was walking with my cousin (a female of course) we were teenagers at the time, I was wearing hijab, and she wasn't, and we walk by a group of teenage boys (from a distance), they started to wistle at my cousin and say inappropriate stuff to her.
but they never said anything to me, and I was walking with her.

and I am currently living in Saudi Arabia, and have heard the same thing here.

If you mean men who are against hijab and niqab itself, then that is a different thing
I am talking about men who are Muslim and are not against hijab but have weak IMan and have fallen into such a sin, and they respect the muslimas who wear proper hijab, and wouldn't harm them.
that is the common, but you will find some who are not the norm.

also

There is no such thing as "too conservative" when it comes to hijab

the more the woman covers the better.

Hijab has specific condtions, which were mentioned in past posts, if your hijab fits those conditions completely then ur hijab is correct.

also, one shouldn't be making fun of hijabs like the one Somali sister wears, or the big kind like worn in Saudi Arabia, for all of that is hijab, which covers the body, and making fun of it is making fun of deen, like ones who make fun of men who have big beards.

if a sister doesn't like to wear that type of jilbab or abayah or khimar, then she doesn't have to , but she shouldn't mock the ones who do or make fun of their hijab and call it ugly or a bed spread or table cloth, for that is mocking deen.


as long as your hijab is according to the conditions of hijab then alhamdulillah.


We need to stop, IMHO, stressing this "wear this so you'll be protected", because what it has done is made us responsible for a men's behavior. Men need to learn how to behave, regardless of how the woman is dressed. And unfortunately, this is not stressed enough in our religion. Women dressing modestly is waaaay more stressed than men dressing modestly.


ukhti, the obligation is on both
the woman wears hijab
and the man lowers his gaze

the women can't use the excuse that the man should be lowering his gaze for her not to cover properly.
and the man can't use the excuse that the woman should be covering properly for him not to lower his gaze

women are ordered to wear hijab and men are order to lower their gaze, both have an obligation/responsibility to protect society by following Allah's orders.
and both will be questioned on the day of judgment for their own actions and doing, and not the others.

[Umm 'Umarah]

wa alaykum assalam
ukhti
I have lived in my home country most of my life (arab country), and I know this in my country, women who dress proper hijab are respected and not harrased, men who harrass have confessed that, and it is noticed by people.
It even happened to me, I was walking with my cousin (a female of course) we were teenagers at the time, I was wearing hijab, and she wasn't, and we walk by a group of teenage boys (from a distance), they started to wistle at my cousin and say inappropriate stuff to her.
but they never said anything to me, and I was walking with her.

and I am currently living in Saudi Arabia, and have heard the same thing here.

If you mean men who are against hijab and niqab itself, then that is a different thing
I am talking about men who are Muslim and are not against hijab but have weak IMan and have fallen into such a sin, and they respect the muslimas who wear proper hijab, and wouldn't harm them.
that is the common, but you will find some who are not the norm.

also

There is no such thing as "too conservative" when it comes to hijab

the more the woman covers the better.

Hijab has specific condtions, which were mentioned in past posts, if your hijab fits those conditions completely then ur hijab is correct.

also, one shouldn't be making fun of hijabs like the one Somali sister wears, or the big kind like worn in Saudi Arabia, for all of that is hijab, which covers the body, and making fun of it is making fun of deen, like ones who make fun of men who have big beards.

if a sister doesn't like to wear that type of jilbab or abayah or khimar, then she doesn't have to , but she shouldn't mock the ones who do or make fun of their hijab and call it ugly or a bed spread or table cloth, for that is mocking deen.


as long as your hijab is according to the conditions of hijab then alhamdulillah.




ukhti, the obligation is on both
the woman wears hijab
and the man lowers his gaze

the women can't use the excuse that the man should be lowering his gaze for her not to cover properly.
and the man can't use the excuse that the woman should be covering properly for him not to lower his gaze

women are ordered to wear hijab and men are order to lower their gaze, both have an obligation/responsibility to protect society by following Allah's orders.
and both will be questioned on the day of judgment for their own actions and doing, and not the others.

Masha'Allah Ukhti, Excellent post...

[heaven2002]

ive heard from a saudi lady who lives in one of the holy cities that she dosnt feel safe at times even though she wears the full nikab- just plain black. saudi and foreign men have in the past approached her to make lewd comments.
its disguisting that things like that can happen in a holy city.

[Nazias]

The thing about the feet is that there is an opinion within the hanafi madhhab that the feet are not awra and do not have to be covered, therefore even if not wishing to following that yourself, it is not necessary to chastise others if they do not cover feet as that is a legitimate opinion within that school. However people may not be careless with it by exposing the ankle or anything more than that, which some ppl do and every school agrees that is not correct

:up: Scholars such as Ibn Baaz etc state that the face and hands being covered is more essential than the feet (i would recommend the four obligations of veiling which is very detailed in regards to hijab ect).

Isn't it more important that your face is covered than your feet anyway? I know there is a difference of opinion but what is the bigger fitnah?

[Nazias]

ive heard from a saudi lady who lives in one of the holy cities that she dosnt feel safe at times even though she wears the full nikab- just plain black. saudi and foreign men have in the past approached her to make lewd comments.
its disguisting that things like that can happen in a holy city.

it happene here too! :vomit:

[heaven2002]

it happene here too! :vomit:

in the town i live in ladies wearing the veil dont get approached by strange men like what ive heard from lady who lives in one of the holy cities.

[Debater]

Where is the Afghani shuttle cock?

[Unique Muslimah]

ive heard from a saudi lady who lives in one of the holy cities that she dosnt feel safe at times even though she wears the full nikab- just plain black. saudi and foreign men have in the past approached her to make lewd comments.
its disguisting that things like that can happen in a holy city.

Unfortunately,you get wierdos all over the world,just because some one lives in the holy city,doesnt exempt them from being a wierdo..
May Allah swt guide us all..Ameen..

[heaven2002]

but its weird that where i live in the uk a veiled woman can walk in a muslim area or even in a nonmuslim area and not get approached by lewd men.
and yet in a holy city like makkah/medina veiled women get approached/followed and even worse.
i find it very disturbing.

[AbuMubarak]

its a very disturbing reality of life, there are many in life

[Um Abdullah]

ive heard from a saudi lady who lives in one of the holy cities that she dosnt feel safe at times even though she wears the full nikab- just plain black. saudi and foreign men have in the past approached her to make lewd comments.
its disguisting that things like that can happen in a holy city.

sister, what kind of abayah was she wearing?
and how did she wear her niqab?
some women in Saudi Arabia wear black tight abayas, and wear their niqab in a way that causes fitnah
ones who wear the niqab properly or cover the eyes, and wear loose abayas do not get approached
the ones who do are ones who wear abayas that show their shape, or wear their niqab in a way the cause fitnah.

and many of them would take off their abayas and niqabs if they could, they dont' wear it because they want to or in obediance to Allah, but because they are not allowed to walk outside without being covered, so they wear ones that show their shape, and that have pretty designs on it.

I have seen one long ago in American news, showing a mall in Saudi Arabia, a woman was wearing an abayah tight at the waste with all of her face covered.
that tight abayah was enough to attract any man, showing the shape of her body, even if they can't see her face.

so it is incorrect to say that they are approached even when wearing proper hijab.

[Um Abdullah]

:up: Scholars such as Ibn Baaz etc state that the face and hands being covered is more essential than the feet (i would recommend the four obligations of veiling which is very detailed in regards to hijab ect).
did he say that you don't have to cover your feet?

Isn't it more important that your face is covered than your feet anyway? I know there is a difference of opinion but what is the bigger fitnah?

sister, it is not up to us to judge which is more fitnah.
we obey Allah's and the messenger's commands, there is a clear authentic hadith on covering the feet in hijab.

also, some women might have pretty feet but not pretty faces, especially when wearing high heel sandals.
like some women have nice bodies but faces that are not attractive, or the opposite.

one day when I was in the car waiting for my husband to come out from the grocery store, I saw a woman wearing a black loose abayah and a niqab, but her feet were showing, and she was wearing high heel sandals, it made her feet look quite attractive, and I think the sandals are what made them attractive.


also, men differ on what attracts them, one man at the time of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam was affected by his wives ankle bracelet shining in moon light and slept with her because of that when he was not allowed to (not sure if it was beacuse he swore not to touch her or another reason), now I don't see what is very attractive in that, just the ankle bracelet shining in moon light, but to him it was very attracting.

so we are ordered to cover all of that, so there will be nothing to attarct men, regardless of what attracts them from a woman's body.

[heaven2002]

sister, what kind of abayah was she wearing?
and how did she wear her niqab?
some women in Saudi Arabia wear black tight abayas, and wear their niqab in a way that causes fitnah
ones who wear the niqab properly or cover the eyes, and wear loose abayas do not get approached
the ones who do are ones who wear abayas that show their shape, or wear their niqab in a way the cause fitnah.

and many of them would take off their abayas and niqabs if they could, they dont' wear it because they want to or in obediance to Allah, but because they are not allowed to walk outside without being covered, so they wear ones that show their shape, and that have pretty designs on it.

I have seen one long ago in American news, showing a mall in Saudi Arabia, a woman was wearing an abayah tight at the waste with all of her face covered.
that tight abayah was enough to attract any man, showing the shape of her body, even if they can't see her face.

so it is incorrect to say that they are approached even when wearing proper hijab.

she wears full hijab, not tight, gloves, socks, full abayah , face covered properly.
the problem is the lewd men that think they have the right to approach women like that , especially in a holy city, its horrible

[heaven2002]

so it is incorrect to say that they are approached even when wearing proper hijab.

actually i have seen this with my own eyes, and heard from saudi women that it is not uncommon.
do you/have you ever lived in saudi?

[abdusamad]

i do not agree with those hugeeee....things called hijabs but better put them on bed or table...i think we should not exagerate or be too conservative and put us in a bag and think it is good..islam is not complicate...hijab must cover hair properly and neck and we must have decent dress...i liked tht i posted before with blue...we must not wear just black or white nor hard colours of high intensity..we can wear every colour but not be shining...should be kinda pastel...beige,cream,delicate pink,brown,grey...and respect the generall conditions but not be strictly..


hmmmm....

[Um Abdullah]

actually i have seen this with my own eyes, and heard from saudi women that it is not uncommon.
do you/have you ever lived in saudi?

I am currently living in Saudi Arabia, but not in the holy cities.

It doesn't only happen from men though, there are women who act bad in holy cities, I know of one incident that I dont' want to mention details of, because it is very very bad, kind of obscene.

but alhamdulillah, they are not majority, but they should be punished, and stopped from doing evil things in the haram.

[binAadam]

but its weird that where i live in the uk a veiled woman can walk in a muslim area or even in a nonmuslim area and not get approached by lewd men.
and yet in a holy city like makkah/medina veiled women get approached/followed and even worse.
i find it very disturbing.
It should also be disturbing that Muslim boys and girls like the Non Muslims exhibit acts of lewdness (as kissing, hugging) publicly e.g at bus stops or the buses in the Non Muslim as well as Muslims areas of the UK Shareef.

In Saudi, there are so many foreigners too. If something bad happens it doesn't mean only Saudis do that, lots of Pakis and Indies do their stupid stuff there. Then saudis are not angels, they also commit sins, but at least they are not as worse as most of the Muslims are in Muslim countries and Non Muslim countries.

[sunflower]

"In Saudi, there are so many foreigners too. If something bad happens it doesn't mean only Saudis do that, lots of Pakis and Indies do their stupid stuff there. Then saudis are not angels, they also commit sins, but at least they are not as worse as most of the Muslims are in Muslim countries and Non Muslim countries."

Bint Aadam!!! I am astonished at your remarks! SubhanAllah! Asthagfirullah! The blatant racism in your post is just absolutely disgusting! What happened to the verses of the Qur'an which say that no Arab is better than a non-Arab and no non-Arab is better than and Arab, the best person is one who has taqwa! :rubeyes: I seriously cannot believe that you think that Arabs are somehow superior...Sister, you need to really think about what you are saying...I know Arabs, non-Arabs who all commit BIG sins but we cannot judge anyone! You never know those 'Pakis and Indies who do their stupid stuff there' maybe far more dearer to Allah than you or I. By the way my parents are originally from India and I am very hurt by your comments....asthagfirullah!

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[Um Abdullah]

Bint Aadam!!! I am astonished at your remarks! SubhanAllah! Asthagfirullah! The blatant racism in your post is just absolutely disgusting! What happened to the verses of the Qur'an which say that no Arab is better than a non-Arab and no non-Arab is better than and Arab, the best person is one who has taqwa! :rubeyes: I seriously cannot believe that you think that Arabs are somehow superior...Sister, you need to really think about what you are saying...I know Arabs, non-Arabs who all commit BIG sins but we cannot judge anyone! You never know those 'Pakis and Indies who do their stupid stuff there' maybe far more dearer to Allah than you or I. By the way my parents are originally from India and I am very hurt by your comments....asthagfirullah!

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That is not racism ukhti
he did say ALL the foreigners there are bad, he said "lots", and that doesn't mean majority either.
its rascism to say that only Saudis who do bad in Saudi Arabia, and make all forgeiners (wether Indians, Pakistinian, philipinos..etc.) in saudi be good and non do bad.
It is from both sides, there are good and bad saudis in Saudi Arabia, and their are good and bad foreigners also in Saudi Arabia (forgeingers include a big number of nationalities, and it could be from any not a specific nationality).

it is wrong to generalize on either group, which happens a lot.

so to be fair and just, we say that in both groups there are the good and the bad, and that is in every country not only Saudi Arabia.


but I do agree that what he said in this following quote (what is underlined) is not completely correct

Then saudis are not angels, they also commit sins, but at least they are not as worse as most of the Muslims are in Muslim countries and Non Muslim countries

some can be just as bad.
In every country and nationality you will find very very bad people.
and others who are bad but less bad than the very very bad (meaning you will find all levels of badness).

also I think we should stop discussing about Saudi arabia and the people in it, whether nationals or forgieners, because it won't do much benefit and this topic is about hijab, so stick to the topic please.

[sweet_arab]

look with what people wear in our generation u cant expect us to go down the street in ausrtralia and where black all over........u can have girls wearing the latest fashion and still be covered

[sweet_arab]

yeh u kinda need to get out more and see the world around u

[Umm 'Umarah]

look with what people wear in our generation u cant expect us to go down the street in ausrtralia and where black all over........u can have girls wearing the latest fashion and still be covered

why not? we're not slaves to western fashion? who do we cover up for? for the people on the street or for Allah(SWT)?

[AbuMubarak]

is there a latest fashion better than the sunnah? for Allah says that you do not believe until you love the Prophet (his sunnah) more than you love yourself

i think that may be a hadith instead

[nami]

6_ not being decoritive (zina) in itself

What if its a weddings?

[Um Abdullah]

look with what people wear in our generation u cant expect us to go down the street in ausrtralia and where black all over........u can have girls wearing the latest fashion and still be covered

sister, if u read all of my posts, I didnt' say that hijab must be black and no other color, I didn't even mention black in conditions of hijab.
read my posts and you will see what I mean.

also, I have been out there sister
I've lived in USA for over 8 yrs :)

[Um Abdullah]

What if its a weddings?

in non mixed wedding it is all women, so the sister doesn't have to wear hijab, so that doesn't apply to weddings.

but of course if it is a mixed wedding she shouldn't be attending it at all.

[nami]

in non mixed wedding it is all women, so the sister doesn't have to wear hijab, so that doesn't apply to weddings.

but of course if it is a mixed wedding she shouldn't be attending it at all.

any hadith about this?

[sweet_arab]

ye sister i get u but i was born in Australia i just think islam right now is looked at differently and if we want to change that their not gonna listen if we wear completly different to them

[sweet_arab]

why not? we're not slaves to western fashion? who do we cover up for? for the people on the street or for Allah(SWT)?

we are not slaves to fashion we need to wear it to have a say. and to embrace islam if we wear really different clothes to them they wouldnt listen and god also says u hav to spread islam

[Umm 'Umarah]

we are not slaves to fashion we need to wear it to have a say. and to embrace islam if we wear really different clothes to them they wouldnt listen and god also says u hav to spread islam

:rubeyes:

We need to wear fashionable clothing to have a say in what exactly?
the fashion industry? we should give Da'wah yes, but we are not commanded to become like them ourselves for the sake of spreading Islam, that is not how it works... that would be dangerous to one's own Imaan.

[nami]

:rubeyes:

We need to wear fashionable clothing to have a say in what exactly?
the fashion industry? we should give Da'wah yes, but we are not commanded to become like them ourselves for the sake of spreading Islam, that is not how it works... that would be dangerous to one's own Imaan.

agreed!

[Um Abdullah]

we are not slaves to fashion we need to wear it to have a say. and to embrace islam if we wear really different clothes to them they wouldnt listen and god also says u hav to spread islam

ukhti, that is not correct.

I used to wear black jilbab and black niqab in USA, and some would actually ask about it and Islam when they see me, it didnt' turn them away (well it might make some kind of feeling uncomfortable, but not all), it actually made them curious.
if you wore clothes like them it wouldn't attract their attention much like if it wore different.

also, there are women who when accepted Islam started to cover their faces and wearing similar hijab to images I posted, so that shows that they accepted the dress because of the beliefs, meaning that the dress didnt' turn them away, they look at the beliefs, when they accepted the beliefs they accepted the clothing with no hesitation.

yes there are some people who would turn away, but they would turn away even if you wore a long roomy skirt, with a loose blouse and a covering scarf.

so just do what pleases Allah, and Allah is the one who guides.

[sweet_arab]

ukhti, that is not correct.

I used to wear black jilbab and black niqab in USA, and some would actually ask about it and Islam when they see me, it didnt' turn them away (well it might make some kind of feeling uncomfortable, but not all), it actually made them curious.
if you wore clothes like them it wouldn't attract their attention much like if it wore different.

also, there are women who when accepted Islam started to cover their faces and wearing similar hijab to images I posted, so that shows that they accepted the dress because of the beliefs, meaning that the dress didnt' turn them away, they look at the beliefs, when they accepted the beliefs they accepted the clothing with no hesitation.

yes there are some people who would turn away, but they would turn away even if you wore a long roomy skirt, with a loose blouse and a covering scarf.

so just do what pleases Allah, and Allah is the one who guides.

no sorry i dont agree i go to a high school and i am the only hijab wearing muslim my friends want to take on the hijab because of what i taught them about islam do u think if i was wearing long coat they would even think about it. sorry but in our world this is how it is now

[RashidD]

no sorry i dont agree i go to a high school and i am the only hijab wearing muslim my friends want to take on the hijab because of what i taught them about islam do u think if i was wearing long coat they would even think about it. sorry but in our world this is how it is now

I disagree sorry and agree with Um Abdullah on this one... MashaAllah that your friends wanna wear headscarf but the modesty of dress applies completely (as laid down by Qur'an and Sunnah) and not only to covering one's (a woman's) hair...

Furthermore, Um Abdullah has already given evidence that people would ask about her niqaab and jilbab and it could be a doorway to dawah given what the person makes of it.

Also, Allah (Azzawajall) is the one who guides, so it's my view that we shouldn't compromise in matters of Deen for Dawah.

[Um Abdullah]

no sorry i dont agree i go to a high school and i am the only hijab wearing muslim my friends want to take on the hijab because of what i taught them about islam do u think if i was wearing long coat they would even think about it. sorry but in our world this is how it is now

ukhti
you don't have to wear black
you can wear a green (or any other non flashy bright color) jilbab (coat)
or a long plain loose modest dress
but remember that your scarf must hang over the chest part (bossoms).

you don't have to wear a black abayah to be wearing hijab or one that is like in the pictures I posted, but your hijab must have the conditions mentioned in first post.
So if you want to know if what you are currently wearing is hijab or not, just look at it and check if it fits the conditions mentioned.