anti-shi'ite blog [Archive] - Ummah.com

Marwan

17-02-07, 09:43 PM

This web-site caught my eye, while I was researching on Uthman's martydom & the shi'ite view. The brother has a coherent, witty method of getting his point across. You guys should take a look see.

http://shiism.blogspot.com/

Abu Hurairah

17-02-07, 09:54 PM

Also there is this blog: http://www.shiaexposed.blogspot.com/

Medievalist

17-02-07, 10:21 PM

JayshALLAH is mashaALLAH top

khanbaba

17-02-07, 11:13 PM

JazakAllah

Cashew

17-02-07, 11:41 PM

When you read that blog, you really have to wonder why Shia are considered Muslim.

That whole deal about Ali being everywhere is very, very strange.:rubeyes:

Killuminati

17-02-07, 11:47 PM

When you read that blog, you really have to wonder why Shia are considered Muslim.

That whole deal about Ali being everywhere is very, very strange.:rubeyes:

Well, in order to avoid making takfir on them, I try not to think about their religious beliefs very much..

khanbaba

17-02-07, 11:56 PM

When you read that blog, you really have to wonder why Shia are considered Muslim.

That whole deal about Ali being everywhere is very, very strange.:rubeyes:

Isna Ashris are not considered Muslims.

Akib

18-02-07, 12:10 AM

jazakallah khair

mann, this is insaaane...

Abu Hurairah

18-02-07, 12:11 AM

Well, in order to avoid making takfir on them, I try not to think about their religious beliefs very much..
The issue isn't necessary about us making takfir- we leave this to our learned 'Ullema and go by what they state according to the dalil of Qur'an and Sunnah and what these Shia hold to be 'true' which is far from the haq, where the scholars declare them kaffir due to their fallacy in faith we accept as this is evident.

Its more for us to learn and stear clear of their mistakes and errors so when we give daw'ah we can rectify their wrong, call to that which is true and free from doubt, and are ourselves not prey to their evil.

bint_ummi

18-02-07, 12:49 AM

Cashew

18-02-07, 01:35 AM

Raul-7

18-02-07, 01:54 AM

Haider Ali

18-02-07, 02:01 AM

There are nothing but inaccuracies in that blog. If you consider that articulate, then you must really have low standards.:(

Killuminati

18-02-07, 02:02 AM

How can you worship Ali -- when the Qu'ran is absolutely explicit about whom should be worshipped -- and still be a Muslim?

To be fair, Shia don't actually worship Ali (ra). They ask him for intercession, but do not directly worship him as the originator of anything.

Killuminati

18-02-07, 02:05 AM

There are nothing but inaccuracies in that blog. If you consider that articulate, then you must really have low standards.:(

I read much of that blog, and most of what he claims are Shia beliefs are linked to mainstream Jafari websites. So, in fact, his analysis seems fairly accurate.

Shia do believe in the Book of Fatima.
Shia do believe in the superiority of the office of Imam to that of the previous Prophets.
Shia do believe that Imams are masoom.
Shia do believe that the Imams have knowledge of the unseen.

And they cannot prove any of this from the Quran, whatsoever. All they ever quote is that verse where Allah (swt) says of the Ahle-bayt, "We only wish to purify you.", saying that by 'purify', Allah means 'render sinless'. So when Allah (swt) commands us to purify ourselves before prayer, does he mean that he wants us to render ourselves sinless? If so, how does one do that?

khanbaba

18-02-07, 02:07 AM

I'm not Muslim, so I really have no business deciding who is or isn't Muslim.

However. To me it seems obvious that the Shia have done to Ali what Christians have done to Jesus.

In fact, it would be difficult to describe how what Shias have done is in any way different from what Christians have done.

How can you worship Ali -- when the Qu'ran is absolutely explicit about whom should be worshipped -- and still be a Muslim?

Imaam Ali bin Abu-Talib (r.a.) said: "The Messenger of Allah called me and told me: 'You are alike with Jesus, Jews hated him till they slandered his mother, and Christians loved him till they put him in the position that is not for him.' With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who loves me too much and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who hates me too much and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. Verily, I am not a prophet, and there is nothing revealed to me. But I work with the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of his Prophet () as much as I can. So whatever I have asked you in regard of obeying Allah, it is your duty to obey me whether you like it or not." [Ahmad]

Imaam Ali (r.a.) said: "With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who loves me too much and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who hates me too much and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. The best man with regard to me is he who is on the middle course. So be with him and be with the great majority (of Muslims) because Allah's hand (of protection) is on keeping unity." [Nahjul Balagha, sermon 126 about the Kharijites]

In the that time, people who called them selves Muslims were three groups :
1- Kharijites who said that Imam Ali was a disbeliever and they send Ibn Muljim to kill him and he did that.
2- Shia who said that he was infalleble Imam and Allah had chosen him for leading Muslims.
3- Sunnies ( Majority of Muslims ) who said that he was a great companion of the prophet and he was a great leader to Muslims but Muslims had chosen him to be thier leader not Allah.
Who are the people of the middle course & the great majority (of Muslims) as Imam Ali said in his sermon, Read Imam Ali's words and then look to the three groups and you will find the answer!

khanbaba

18-02-07, 02:09 AM

Shia do believe in the Book of Fatima.
Shia do believe in the superiority of the office of Imam to that of the previous Prophets.
Shia do believe that Imams are masoom.
Shia do believe that the Imams have knowledge of the unseen.
These are kufria beliefs.

Haider Ali

18-02-07, 02:10 AM

Shia do believe in the Book of Fatima.
And what's wrong with that?

Shia do believe in the superiority of the office of Imam to that of the previous Prophets.
How does this constitute infedility?
Shia do believe that Imams are masoom.
See above

Shia do believe that the Imams have knowledge of the unseen.
See above

And they cannot prove any of this from the Quran, whatsoever. All they ever quote is that verse where Allah (swt) says of the Ahle-bayt, "We only wish to purify you.", saying that by 'purify', Allah means 'render sinless'. So when Allah (swt) commands us to purify ourselves before prayer, does he mean that he wants us to render ourselves sinless? If so, how does one do that?
This can be proven through the Qur'an & hadith sources. And your interpretation of that passage is really really bad.

Haider Ali

18-02-07, 02:13 AM

These are kufria beliefs.
No, they aren't.

Abu Hurairah

18-02-07, 02:22 AM

Killuminati

18-02-07, 02:27 AM

What's wrong with all those beliefs is that you absolutely can't prove them at all from the Quran without resorting to ridiculous lengths and speculative interpretation.

Muslims are supposed to consider the Quran to be the final revelation of Allah (swt). If Shia believe in the Book of Fatima, then they believe in a revelation that came after the Quran, because Shia believe that Jibreel (as) revealed the Book of Fatima to Hz. Fatima, and we know that angels have no free will, so where would Jibreel's revelations come from other than Allah (swt)? They could not possibly be something produced by Jibreel (as) himself, as angels have no power to do anything not dictated to them by Allah (swt). So if you accept the Book of Fatima as a latter-day revelation to Hz. Fatima, then why not accept the works of Bahaiullah or Ahmed Mirza as legitimate revelations as well?

Haider Ali

18-02-07, 02:30 AM

What's wrong with all those beliefs is that you absolutely can't prove them at all from the Quran without resorting to ridiculous lengths and speculative interpretation.
This is your bias speaking.

Muslims are supposed to consider the Quran to be the final revelation of Allah (swt). If Shia believe in the Book of Fatima, then they believe in a revelation that came after the Quran, because Shia believe that Jibreel (as) revealed the Book of Fatima to Hz. Fatima, and we know that angels have no free will, so where would Jibreel's revelations come from other than Allah (swt)? They could not possibly be something produced by Jibreel (as) himself, as angels have no power to do anything not dictated to them by Allah (swt). So if you accept the Book of Fatima as a latter-day revelation to Hz. Fatima, then why not accept the works of Bahaiullah or Ahmed Mirza as legitimate revelations as well?
Qur'an is the final revalation. The book of Fatima isn't meant to be a revalation.

Abu Hurairah

18-02-07, 02:35 AM

Haider Ali

18-02-07, 02:46 AM

Being the Shia that you are, you would say that Haider. *Rolls :rolleyes: Eyes*.
Replace "Shia" with "Sunni" and you have my response.

They make pictures and idols of him, mourn the deaths of his son, do joint jamm'ah self mutilation of themselves in his memory, and shout "Ya Ali, Ya Ali" this is worship.
It's mourning, not worship.

Of course they are :lahawla:.
No, they are not.

Killuminati

18-02-07, 03:25 AM

Qur'an is the final revalation. The book of Fatima isn't meant to be a revalation.

According to Shia, the Book of Fatima is not only three times as long as the Quran, but contains within its pages everything. If it was not meant as a revelation, why would Jibreel (as) bring all this knowledge to Hz. Fatima?

Haider Ali

18-02-07, 03:27 AM

According to Shia, the Book of Fatima is not only three times as long as the Quran, but contains within its pages everything. If it was not meant as a revelation, why would Jibreel (as) bring all this knowledge to Hz. Fatima?
Ali(as) wrote down the conversations Fatima(as) had with Gabriel. I don't know about it containing everything. Either way, it's not meant to be a revalation. The Holy Qur'an is the final revalation of Allah(swt) and Muhammad(saws) is his final Prophet(saws).

Raul-7

18-02-07, 03:28 AM

It's mourning, not worship.

Narrated 'Abdullah:

The Prophet :saw: said, "He who slaps the cheeks, tears the clothes and follows the tradition of the Days of Ignorance is not from us."

We're not supposed to mourn over him, we do not even mourn over the Prophet :saw:. How will mourning help us? Does it make us closer to Allah (ie. increase Faith)? Does it forgive our sins? Will it make us join Ali (ra) in Paradise?

There's no use in mourning as what happened, happened by the decree of Allah. To mourn is to object to the decree of Allah and it serves no purpose as it will not make Ali come back to life nor will it make us closer to Allah.

Haider Ali

18-02-07, 03:59 AM

Narrated 'Abdullah:

The Prophet :saw: said, "He who slaps the cheeks, tears the clothes and follows the tradition of the Days of Ignorance is not from us."

We're not supposed to mourn over him, we do not even mourn over the Prophet :saw:. How will mourning help us? Does it make us closer to Allah (ie. increase Faith)? Does it forgive our sins? Will it make us join Ali (ra) in Paradise?

There's no use in mourning as what happened, happened by the decree of Allah. To mourn is to object to the decree of Allah and it serves no purpose as it will not make Ali come back to life nor will it make us closer to Allah.
When someone dies tragically, you don't mourn over them?

Mourning over someone is a human trait, to deny this is denying one's right to express natural emotion.

Raul-7

18-02-07, 04:32 AM

When someone dies tragically, you don't mourn over them?

Mourning over someone is a human trait, to deny this is denying one's right to express natural emotion.

I never said do not grieve over the death of someone beloved, crying is from the heart and it is beneficial. Even the Prophet :saw: used to cry and he said: "This (tears) is an expression of the tenderness and compassion, which the Lord hath put into the hearts of His servants. The Lord doth not have compassion on and commiserate with His servants, except such as are tender and full of feeling."

But do not overdue it by whipping your backs and drawing blood from your foreheads. That is ignorance and it achieves nothing but harm.

Haider Ali

18-02-07, 04:45 AM

But do not overdue it by whipping your backs and drawing blood from your foreheads. That is ignorance and it achieves nothing but harm.
Well, i personally don't agree with the act. And probably les than 5% of the Shias actually take part in this, if not less than that.

I was talking about mourning generally.

Cashew

18-02-07, 06:16 AM

You see, this is a huge problem.

You simply can't call or invite people to Islam under a certain set of absolute teachings, and then suddenly say, "Oh, but wait...There's more!"

You can't say to me, "Mohammed was God's final messenger," and then turn around and say, "But, Ali, too, was God's messenger."

You can't say to me, "Oh, Christians are in great error because they attribute divine characteristics to Jesus," and then say, "Ali knows everything and is perfect and is everywhere at all times."

The list goes on and on and on.

And, although I respect many participants in this forum, and am actually fond of many of them, it's when I read stuff like this that I start to feel that there's a kind of dishonesty at work.

And in this particular instance I don't think you can blame non-Muslims for the problem.

This is very, very strange.

You can't expect non-Muslims to revert to Islam and say the shahada, and then suddenly come back with, "Well, there's really a lot more to it than that."

THE BOOK OF FATIMA?

No one told me about this before. For all these months I've been led to believe that the whole deal was Qu'ran and Sunnah.

This is what supposedly normal orthodox garden-variety Muslims have told me -- Qu'ran and Sunnah.

And now, all of a sudden, I'm supposed to believe in many, many other things beyond Qu'ran and Sunnah.

Frankly, this seems very dishonest and it makes me kind of angry.

And, thank Almighty God, I haven't made any promises that I wouldn't be able to keep.

alld

18-02-07, 06:36 AM

Raul-7

18-02-07, 06:49 AM

Cashew, these books (Mushaf of Fatima), Al-Jamia and Al-Jafr (The Parchment) are not part of Islam. Before the Prophet :saw: died, in his last sermon, he said: "I have left among you two things; you will never go astray as long as you hold fast to them: the Book of Allah and my Sunnah." (Al-Hakim) Hence the rest are just innovations the Shia consider to Holy when they are clearly not. They believe the Prophethood continued long after the Prophet :saw: died which is false.

I do not know what you are angry about since Sunni's do not even consider these texts Holy or Sacred let alone rely on them. They are strictly a Shia tenet and not mainstream Islam tenet.

The reply of the believers when they are summoned to Allah and His messenger so that he can judge between them, is to say, "We hear and we obey." They are ones who are successful. (Surat an-Nur, 51)

The Qur'an tells us to listen to God (Qur'an) and His messenger (Muhammad :saw: hadith), everything else can be ignored for it is not part of Islam. Even if you ask most Muslims, they will not know what you are talking about if you ask them about the Book of Fatima.

Cashew

18-02-07, 07:21 AM

bint_ummi

18-02-07, 10:53 AM

But do not overdue it by whipping your backs and drawing blood from your foreheads. That is ignorance and it achieves nothing but harm.

it achieves empathy and teaches people to love.

Killuminati

18-02-07, 01:58 PM

THE BOOK OF FATIMA?

No one told me about this before. For all these months I've been led to believe that the whole deal was Qu'ran and Sunnah.

This is what supposedly normal orthodox garden-variety Muslims have told me -- Qu'ran and Sunnah.

And now, all of a sudden, I'm supposed to believe in many, many other things beyond Qu'ran and Sunnah.

Well, that's because to real, non-deviated Muslims, the Quran and Sunnah are the only things. Here's a fact: alternative Shia books and beliefs all date to after the death of the Prophet. If it wasn't laid down before the death of the Prophet, or trace its juristic roots to the Prophet or the Quran, it isn't part of Islam.

Frankly, this seems very dishonest and it makes me kind of angry.

lol...hahaha

Killuminati

18-02-07, 02:04 PM

Ali(as) wrote down the conversations Fatima(as) had with Gabriel. I don't know about it containing everything. Either way, it's not meant to be a revalation. The Holy Qur'an is the final revalation of Allah(swt) and Muhammad(saws) is his final Prophet(saws).

Why did Jibreel (as) have these conversations with Hz. Fatima?

If you believe that Jibreel (as) had these conversations with Hz. Fatima, then Allah (swt) must have willed him to do so and commanded him to do so (as angels have no free will). If Allah commanded Jibreel (as) to reveal all these secrets of the past, future and unseen to Hz. Fatima, which He must have, because Jibreel (as), possessing no free will, could not have decided to do this on his own, then the Book of Fatima is, in fact, a revelation.

Ibn Sina

18-02-07, 02:21 PM

lol you're not the only one who's heard of The Book of Fatimah(ra) for the first :rolleyes:

Islam is only Al-Qur'aan and As-Sunnah and thats it, anything else is Bid'ah. Period.

Medievalist

18-02-07, 04:01 PM

"Haider Ali": u ask why those points mentioned by KhanBaba are kufr - our responce is if u think they arent then thats yr free choice. But the fact is they are. Kafir Kafir Shia Kafir.

Omar

18-02-07, 04:05 PM

koool I was looking for anti shi te info :)

Marwan

18-02-07, 04:40 PM

Haidar, you're going to have to explain why JayshAllah's points are invalid and not appear & disappear like a troll every now & so often.

Otherwise, the accusation of you being a shi'ite is valid.

Haider Ali

18-02-07, 05:21 PM

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Haider Ali

18-02-07, 05:23 PM

See, this is the misinformation i am referring to.

You can't say to me, "Mohammed was God's final messenger," and then turn around and say, "But, Ali, too, was God's messenger."
Wrong. Shias do not believe this. Muhammad(Saws) is the final messenger. Ali(as) is simply his successor in worldly & spiritual matters. He follows the Sharia of Muhammad(saws), considering he is the final messenger.

You can't say to me, "Oh, Christians are in great error because they attribute divine characteristics to Jesus," and then say, "Ali knows everything and is perfect and is everywhere at all times."
That's a gross exaggeration. Shias do not believe Ali(as) to be divine. He is a human, just like the Prophet(saws), just like all of us. All the knowledge that Imam Ali(as) had was passed down to him by the Prophet(saws). Having knowledge of the unseen, performing miracles does not make one divine.Only Allah(swt) has control over everything.

Furthermore, there is a huge difference between intercession & worship.

The list goes on and on and on.
I imagine the "list" only contains more misconceptions.

You can't expect non-Muslims to revert to Islam and say the shahada, and then suddenly come back with, "Well, there's really a lot more to it than that."
There isn't.

THE BOOK OF FATIMA?

No one told me about this before. For all these months I've been led to believe that the whole deal was Qu'ran and Sunnah.

This is what supposedly normal orthodox garden-variety Muslims have told me -- Qu'ran and Sunnah.
As mentioned before, the book of Fatima is not a revalation. Simply a compilation by Ali(as), the conversations Gabriel had with Fatima(as) to console her after the death of Muhammad(saws). They were very close you know.

And now, all of a sudden, I'm supposed to believe in many, many other things beyond Qu'ran and Sunnah.
First off, the Qur'an & Sunnah hadith isn't even authentic. The REAL hadith clearly says "Qur'an & Ahlul Bayt".

Frankly, this seems very dishonest and it makes me kind of angry.
What should make you angry is the amount of disinformation you haven taken as truth on these forums.

It's unfortunate your knowledge of Shia Islam is from people that hate them with a passion.

Answer me this....would you go to a white supremest website to learn about Judaism or Jews?

Haider Ali

18-02-07, 05:25 PM

If Quran is agreed as final revealation by you then how come Angel Gabrial a.s reveal something more to Fatima r.a ...that's the question ? When Ali r.a is superior to Fatima r.a in status then why were they supposedly revealed to Fatima r.a ? is that considered a revealed book ?
I already said that the Holy Qur'an is the final revelation for mankind. The Book of Fatima is not considered a revelation.

Haider Ali

18-02-07, 05:29 PM

Cashew, these books (Mushaf of Fatima), Al-Jamia and Al-Jafr (The Parchment) are not part of Islam. Before the Prophet :saw: died, in his last sermon, he said: "I have left among you two things; you will never go astray as long as you hold fast to them: the Book of Allah and my Sunnah." (Al-Hakim) Hence the rest are just innovations the Shia consider to Holy when they are clearly not. They believe the Prophethood continued long after the Prophet :saw: died which is false.
The Prophet(saws) said Qur'an & Ahlul Bayt, not Qur'an & Sunnah. Fatima(as) is considered part of the Ahlul Bayt, yet you reject her as a source of knowledge.
I do not know what you are angry about since Sunni's do not even consider these texts Holy or Sacred let alone rely on them. They are strictly a Shia tenet and not mainstream Islam tenet.
We don't rely on their neither, since they aren't in existence with us. We rely on the Holy Qur'an & The Ahlul Bayt, as the Prophet(saws) ordered us to.
d we obey." They are ones who are successful.[/B] (Surat an-Nur, 51)

Abu Mus'ab

18-02-07, 06:02 PM

When i saw the name "Haider Ali" i knew it had to be a shia, and it seems like i was right.

Peacenik

18-02-07, 06:07 PM

The Shia belief gives me a headache.

Am I normal ?

Haider Ali

18-02-07, 06:19 PM

When i saw the name "Haider Ali" i knew it had to be a shia, and it seems like i was right.
Get your groove on Sherlock Holmes.:hidban:
The Shia belief gives me a headache.

Am I normal ?
Around here...yes.

But then again.....The Mayan practice of ripping the hearts out of people while they were alive was normal to them:(

Haider Ali

18-02-07, 06:23 PM

Seriously though. I've argued here thoroughly on Sunni-Shia subjects. It's largely fruitless. People just insult & slander.

If someone wants to clear up misconceptions they have about Shias, feel free to PM.

Argumentation really is bad for your heart. It furthers you from Allah(swt).

Medievalist

18-02-07, 06:26 PM

Haider Ali

18-02-07, 06:29 PM

Yr right - it is futile cos the shi'tes are too scared to give their true views!!

Well - Haider Ali. If yr a shi'a then pass a message onto yr awaited messiah, and if u aint then pass my message on to yr shi'tes friends.

Tell them that Im waiting for that naked caverat and when I meet him inshaALLAH I'll gonna be breaking his spindly legs. Can u pass that message on to yr awaited imam?

Akhi, i don't think it's wise that you insult other people's faiths like that. Especially to slander Imam Mehdi(as), whether you believe in him like we do is very wrong. I don't think the Prophet(saws) would approve of it.

This sort of slander not only degrades your image, but it is really bad for your heart. It spiritually furthers you from Allah(swt).

alld

18-02-07, 06:30 PM

I already said that the Holy Qur'an is the final revelation for mankind. The Book of Fatima is not considered a revelation.

then why do you seem diffrent to me than the other brethrens ?

we know just Quran and sahih Hadith ...

Medievalist

18-02-07, 06:32 PM

Akhi, i don't think it's wise that you insult other people's faiths like that. Especially to slander Imam Mehdi(as), whether you believe in him like we do is very wrong. I don't think the Prophet(saws) would approve of it.

This sort of slander not only degrades your image, but it is really bad for your heart. It spiritually furthers you from Allah(swt).

if yr a shi'tes then dont call me akhi.

oh? spiritually furthers me from ALLAH eh?

I become distant from Rabb Ta'ala by mocking at a fictional mythological character who doesnt exist and who hsa no virtue in the religion?

whereas the shi'tes becomes close to ALLAH by making tabarra on the first Three Khulafaa?

Puhleeaze Shi'te - dont patronise me with yr hollow words of piety. Yr example is the one who bathes in urine and declares himself purified.

Haider Ali

18-02-07, 06:33 PM

then why do you seem diffrent to me than the other brethrens ?

we know just Quran and sahih Hadith ...

To be honest, i'm not very well researched into the whole issue with the Book of Fatima. But I ASSURE YOU, The Holy Qur'an is the final revalation for all mankind. The book of Fatima is not considered a revalation.

Gabriel also spoke to Virgin Mary(as), now if someone wrote down what she heard from Gabriel, would you consider that a revelation?

Haider Ali

18-02-07, 06:34 PM

if yr a shi'tes then dont call me akhi.

oh? spiritually furthers me from ALLAH eh?

I become distant from Rabb Ta'ala by mocking at a fictional mythological character who doesnt exist and who hsa no virtue in the religion?

whereas the shi'tes becomes close to ALLAH by making tabarra on the first Three Khulafaa?

Puhleeaze Shi'te - dont patronise me with yr hollow words of piety. Yr example is the one who bathes in urine and declares himself purified.
I was only trying to give you helpful advice. If you don't want to ponder over them, that's ok.

Medievalist

18-02-07, 06:35 PM

I was only trying to give you helpful advice. If you don't want to ponder over them, that's ok.

ok :rotfl:

:zzz:

:zzz:

:zzz:

Peacenik

18-02-07, 06:36 PM

HA, may I ask you what your position is on Hadrat Umar (ra) ?

Haider Ali

18-02-07, 06:38 PM

HA, may I ask you what your position is on Hadrat Umar (ra) ?
Do you really think it's wise to get into controversial issues such as these? Scholars for the past 1000 years have not come to agreement over these issues, do we have any merit to argue over these issues?

Imam Malik said that argumentation between regular people on religion is haram. We aren't in a position to talk about these things.

Haider Ali

18-02-07, 06:39 PM

ok :rotfl:

:zzz:

:zzz:

:zzz:

well, i'm glad i atleast make you laugh.:)

Peacenik

18-02-07, 06:41 PM

Do you really think it's wise to get into controversial issues such as these?

'Controversial' ? :eek:

I asked you about one of the most closest Companions of the Prophet (saw) and you say it's 'controversial' ?!

Haider Ali

18-02-07, 06:43 PM

'Controversial' ? :eek:

I asked you about one of the most closest Companions of the Prophet (saw) and you say it's 'controversial' ?!
Because what i say about him will only make you mad. So what's the point?

How does arguing about this help us to become closer to Allah(swt). You have your beliefs & i have mine. Let Allah(swt) judge who is right.

And i'm almost certain that if & when i post hadith about him, i will get banned..so it's a lose lose for me.

Peacenik

18-02-07, 06:46 PM

HA, PM me the particular Hadith.

Thank you.

Haider Ali

18-02-07, 06:47 PM

HA, PM me the particular Hadith.

Thank you.

alright sure. Let me gather my sources and i will present them to you sometime today..

Wassalam.

Medievalist

18-02-07, 06:47 PM

well, i'm glad i atleast make you laugh.:)

yr whole religion makes me laff.

From the ravings of Khomsmeini, to the narrations in yr books, to the rumblings of Muqtada, to the monkey matams u do.

What makes me laff most is perhaps yr devotion to this awaited naked caveboy. I mean really - people tend to grow outta childhood fantasies by the age of 12 but yr rabbis continue to believe!!

Btw - if u knw of any girls interested in mut'a send em my way - I'll tell them what Islaam actually gives to women as opposed to what yr Rabbis offer them. :torture:

Refugee

18-02-07, 06:52 PM

Medievalist

18-02-07, 06:54 PM

www.ahlelbayt.com is mashaALLAH legit aswell

miss-islamic

18-02-07, 11:20 PM

that guy also has an article making fun of tabligis(he’s salafi)—who wants to see it? Medievilist? Hahaha.:D

Ceren

19-02-07, 12:08 AM

:salams

The issues I think about when I talk about shi'a is...

a) There are many, many subgroups of shi'a that hold different beliefs. So while one group might really fall outside the fold of Islam, others might not. So one has to be very careful because one can be actually talking to a believer.

b) Shi'a have some beliefs that are different than Sunni, and that we hold not true. However... where do you draw the line?
One thing is being a heretic (which Shi'a are considered by Sunni) but another thing is being a non-Muslim.
So how do we define it? First of all, however we might disagree, we can't call another person a non-Muslim by a matter of fiqh but by a matter of aqeedah. And so, which deviant aqeedah leaves one outside the fold of Islam?

If you consider that basic aqeedah which are the 6 pillars of faith: belief in Allah, His angels, His Books, His Messengers, the Last Day, and predestination, then most shi'a would be Muslim since they believe in this.

Also, if you consider the hadith of the prophet : One day while we were sitting with the messenger of Allah there appeared before us a man whose clothes were exceedingly white and whose hair was exceedingly black; no signs of journeying were to be seen on him and none of us knew him. He walked up and sat down by the prophet. Resting his knees against his and placing the palms of his hands on his thighs, he said:"O Muhammed, tell me about Islam". The messenger of Allah said: "Islam is to testify that there is no god but Allah and Muhammed is the messenger of Allah, to perform the prayers, to pay the zakat, to fast in Ramadhan, and to make the pilgrimage to the House if you are able to do so." He said:"You have spoken rightly", and we were amazed at him asking him and saying that he had spoken rightly. He said: "Then tell me about eman."He said:"It is to believe in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day, and to believe in divine destiny, both the good and the evil thereof." He said:"You have spoken rightly". He said: " Then tell me about ehsan." He said: "It is to worship Allah as though you are seeing Him, and while you see Him not yet truly He sees you".----

---------He said: "He was Jebreel (Gabriel), who came to you to teach you your religion."

... then also most shi'a would fall into the "Islam" category.

This is the definition that the prophet made about religion. So while scholars can write all they want about it, the fact is that Jibreel, who was acting in obedience to Allah swt told the prophet saws that he was correct in saying this definitions.

So I actually find a discussion about the limits between heresy and disbelief much more interesting.

And Allah knows best.

Cashew

19-02-07, 01:12 AM

Ceren, for someone who's just beginning to learn about Islam, I think the issue is very interesting.

As I've said before elsewhere in this forum, Lutherans and Roman Catholics only in the past several years have settled their differences, after five centuries of often violent and bloody disagreement.

Maybe someday Shias and Sunnis can find true brotherhood, but I don't think downplaying or ignoring significant differences is the path to reconciliation.

I think this will be particularly difficult for Muslims because Shias have a tradition of not being 100% upfront about what they believe.

Both parties will need to be absolutely honest with each other if any sort of brotherhood is to be achieved.

Barracuda

19-02-07, 01:31 AM

The Islamic Ruling on Shi`ites
Dr. Ahmad al-Afghaanee
The Mirage in Iran
Edited and Translated by Dr. B. Philips

Imaam ash-Shaafi`ee
On one occasion ash-Shaafi`ee said concerning the Shi`ites, "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Raafidite Shi`ites." [Ibn Taymeeyah, Minhaaj as-Sunnah an-Nabawiyyah, 1/39] On another occasion he said, "Narrate knowledge from everyone you meet except the Raafidite Shi`ites, because they invent Hadeeths and adopt them as part of their religion." [Ibid, p. 38]
Imaam Abu Haneefah
It was reported that often Abu Haneefah used to repeat the following statement about the Shi`ites, "Whoever doubts whether they are disbelievers has himself committed disbelief."
Imaam Maalik
Once Maalik was asked about them and he replied, "Do not speak to them nor narrate from them, for surely they are liars." [Minhaaj as-Sunnah, 1/37] During a class of Imaam Maalik, it was mentioned that the Raafidite Shi`ites curse the Sahaabah. In reply, he quoted the Quranic verse, "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and those with him are harsh with the disbelievers and gentle among themselves. So that the disbelievers may become enraged with them." He then said, "Whoever becomes enraged when the Sahaabah are mentioned is one about whom the verse speaks." [Tafseeer al-Qurtubee, Soorah al-Fath; Editor’s note: That is, anyone who is enraged by the mention of the Sahaabah is a dsibeliever, because the verse says, "…the disbelievers may become enraged with them (Sahaabah)."]
Ibn al-Mubaarak
Ibn al-Mubaarak was reported to have said, "Religion is gained from Ahl al-Hadeeth, scholastic theology and crafty exemptions from religious ordinances of Ahl ar-Ray and lies from the Raafidite Shi`ites." [Adh-Dhahabee, al Muntaqaa min Minhaaj al-I`tidaal, p. 480]
Abu Zur`ah ar-Raazee
This great scholar was quoted as saying, "If you see someone degrade any of the companions of the Prophet, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam, know that he is a disbeliever. Because the Prophet, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam, was real, what he brought was the truth and all of it was conveyed to us by the way of the Sahaabah. What those disbelievers wish to do is to cast doubt on the reliability of our narrators in order to invalidate the Quraan and the Sunnah. Thus the disbelievers are the ones most deserving defamation."
Al-Qaadee Abu Ya`laa
It was reported that Abu Ya`laa said, "The position of jurists concerning one who curses the Sahaabah, believing that such an act is permissible, is that he has committed an act of disbelief. If he curses them but does not believe that cursing them is permissible, then he is guilty of immorality, and not disbelief." [Ibn Taymeeyah, as-Sawaarim al-Maslool, p. 569]
At-Tahaawee
In his book on the Islamic creed, al-`Aqeedah at-Tahaawiyyah, the author states, "We love the companions of Allaah’s Prophet, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam, without going overboard in our love of anyone of them or remaining aloof (tabarra) from any of them. We hate those who hate them or speak ill of them and we only speak well of them. Loving them is a religious act, and an expression of faith and righteousness while hating them is an act of disbelief, hypocrisy and transgression." [Sharh al-`Aqeedah at-Tahaawiyyah, p. 528]
Ibn Hazm al-Andaloosee
One day during the period of Muslim rule in Spain, Imaam Abu Muhammad ibn Hazm was having a debate with some Spanish Catholic priests about their religious texts. He brought before them evidence of textual distortions in the Bible and the loss of original manuscripts. When they replied by pointing out to him Shi`ite claims also being distorted, Ibn Hazm informed them that Shi`ite could not be used as evidence against the Quraan or against Muslims because they are not themselves Muslims." [Ibn Hazm, al-Fisaal fee al-Milal wa an-Nihal, 2/78 and 4/182]
Their claims have been rebutted by numerous other early scholars like Ibn Taymeeyah in Minhaaj as-Sunnah, adh-Dhahabee in Muntaqaa min Minhaaj al-I`tidaal, Ibn Katheer in his history book [al-Bidaayah wa an-Nihaayah], Ibn al-Jawzee in Talbees Iblees, and al-Qaadee ibn al-`Arabee in al-`Awwaasim min al-Qawaasim.

Cashew

19-02-07, 05:15 AM

"Ibn Hazm al-Andaloosee
One day during the period of Muslim rule in Spain, Imaam Abu Muhammad ibn Hazm was having a debate with some Spanish Catholic priests about their religious texts. He brought before them evidence of textual distortions in the Bible and the loss of original manuscripts. When they replied by pointing out to him Shi`ite claims also being distorted, Ibn Hazm informed them that Shi`ite could not be used as evidence against the Quraan or against Muslims because they are not themselves Muslims." [Ibn Hazm, al-Fisaal fee al-Milal wa an-Nihal, 2/78 and 4/182]
Their claims have been rebutted by numerous other early scholars like Ibn Taymeeyah in Minhaaj as-Sunnah, adh-Dhahabee in Muntaqaa min Minhaaj al-I`tidaal, Ibn Katheer in his history book [al-Bidaayah wa an-Nihaayah], Ibn al-Jawzee in Talbees Iblees, and al-Qaadee ibn al-`Arabee in al-`Awwaasim min al-Qawaasim."

A very, very interesting point.

Great info.

Um Abdullah

19-02-07, 06:33 AM

a lot of my friends are shia... nobody cares. we don't go to the same masjid, but we still interact the same, and have the same basic beliefs.
I know i wouldn't be able to MARRY someone thats shia... but i'm not gonna attack them...

sister, does who you know and are friends are shia laymen, they don't have knowledge of all of their beliefs or what their books or Imams say.
like you find many sunni laymen being ignorant about some sunni beliefs.

we don't attack the laymen or treat them bad, for they dont' know all of their beleifs or even believe in some of it, due to ignorance.
so we treat them good and make dawah to them, and be nice to them.

I know a shia man married to a sunni (both ignorant of deen) who brings his daughter to sunni school in USA, because they dont' know much about the differences.

but our problem is with their learned men = Imams (scholars) and studenst of knowledge, who know their beleifs.
They are the worst shia, just listen to their speeches in arabic, it is sickning.

so differentiate between the laymen and the learned ones of them.

go check their shia forum to see what they beleive, most of ones in their forum are learned, and u will really see their sick beliefs.

but becareful if you dont' have much knowledge, they can put doubts in your heart, so don't read their stuff.
one must have a lot of knowledge to refute them.

Um Abdullah

19-02-07, 06:47 AM

:salams

The issues I think about when I talk about shi'a is...

a) There are many, many subgroups of shi'a that hold different beliefs. So while one group might really fall outside the fold of Islam, others might not. So one has to be very careful because one can be actually talking to a believer.

sister, we are talking about 12 Imami shia
when you hear us speaking about "shia" we mean them, beacuse they are majority.
if we spoke about any other shia sect we would name them, like Ismaili, zaidi ..etc.

b) Shi'a have some beliefs that are different than Sunni, and that we hold not true. However... where do you draw the line?
One thing is being a heretic (which Shi'a are considered by Sunni) but another thing is being a non-Muslim.
So how do we define it? First of all, however we might disagree, we can't call another person a non-Muslim by a matter of fiqh but by a matter of aqeedah. And so, which deviant aqeedah leaves one outside the fold of Islam?

If you consider that basic aqeedah which are the 6 pillars of faith: belief in Allah, His angels, His Books, His Messengers, the Last Day, and predestination, then most shi'a would be Muslim since they believe in this.

Also, if you consider the hadith of the prophet : One day while we were sitting with the messenger of Allah there appeared before us a man whose clothes were exceedingly white and whose hair was exceedingly black; no signs of journeying were to be seen on him and none of us knew him. He walked up and sat down by the prophet. Resting his knees against his and placing the palms of his hands on his thighs, he said:"O Muhammed, tell me about Islam". The messenger of Allah said: "Islam is to testify that there is no god but Allah and Muhammed is the messenger of Allah, to perform the prayers, to pay the zakat, to fast in Ramadhan, and to make the pilgrimage to the House if you are able to do so." He said:"You have spoken rightly", and we were amazed at him asking him and saying that he had spoken rightly. He said: "Then tell me about eman."He said:"It is to believe in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day, and to believe in divine destiny, both the good and the evil thereof." He said:"You have spoken rightly". He said: " Then tell me about ehsan." He said: "It is to worship Allah as though you are seeing Him, and while you see Him not yet truly He sees you".----

---------He said: "He was Jebreel (Gabriel), who came to you to teach you your religion."

... then also most shi'a would fall into the "Islam" category.

This is the definition that the prophet made about religion. So while scholars can write all they want about it, the fact is that Jibreel, who was acting in obedience to Allah swt told the prophet saws that he was correct in saying this definitions.

So I actually find a discussion about the limits between heresy and disbelief much more interesting.

And Allah knows best.

sister, they negated the first pillar of Iman which is belief in Allah, which includes tawhid.

There is clear shirk in their beliefs.
and some of the shirk that is found in their books (arabic ones written by their Imams) are not translated to English.
so usually you wouldn't find it in English
and will only know that belief of theirs by reading the Arabic.

and I have seen really sick stuff, and clear shirk in it.

there are scanned pages of their books in many Arabic sites exposing shia beleifs and refuting it, but not much in English.
though the one blog posted by Abu Hurairah does show a little of it, few scanned pages with translation.
but there is much more.

you are judging them from the little knowledge you know about them and their beliefs.

you want to know their beleifs you must read their Imams books, including ones in past whom they consider great Imams, and also books of some of their later ones like khomeini and sistani

Medievalist

19-02-07, 05:09 PM

that guy also has an article making fun of tabligis(he’s salafi)—who wants to see it? Medievilist? Hahaha.:D

which guy?

and tbh people who speak about tableegh tend to be the ones who have never spent a day in the way of ALLAH and dont know what the great work is - I tend to ignore politely such people. :up:

Marwan

19-02-07, 05:53 PM

Medievalist

19-02-07, 06:24 PM

I have no idea what she's talking about. I'm trying to look for the 'article' on jama't Tabligh, but alas, I cannot find it.

P.S. This Haider guy sounds like a certain banned member, resurrected from the dead.

they dont believe in resurrection - they believe in occultation.

Maybe he's the awaited imam :shock:

OI Haider - get back ea' so I can snap yr legs.

:rotfl:

Um Abdullah

20-02-07, 07:24 AM

The Shia belief gives me a headache.

Am I normal ?

actually it makes me ill

when I discussed with them in another forum, I got ill for some time becuae of the sick stuff they say.

that is why I don't post in forums where there shia postign regularly
in ummah forum they just pop up once in a while
so I refute them if I can, I don't want them to stay here, and ruin this nice forum which I enjoy posting in.

Um Abdullah

20-02-07, 07:27 AM

HA, may I ask you what your position is on Hadrat Umar (ra) ?

akhi

they praise his killer
Abu Lu'lu'a al Majoosi
the man who worships fire
they praise him and think high of him
he was a kafir/mushrik - fire worshiper

that should make it clear how much hate they have for him.

Um Abdullah

20-02-07, 07:32 AM

Do you really think it's wise to get into controversial issues such as these? Scholars for the past 1000 years have not come to agreement over these issues, do we have any merit to argue over these issues?

Imam Malik said that argumentation between regular people on religion is haram. We aren't in a position to talk about these things.

what scholars have not been in agreement?
you mean the shaytans not scholars
who make takfir on Umar radiyallahu anhu
no one from ahl assunnah look at him in the way shia do, or consider him a hypocrite or kafir
only shaytan "scholars" do.

and save us ur trashy accusations against him, for you only spread lies and twisted stuff, and they are refuted in Arabic sites that refute shia

we need to have a big site with refutations against false twisted accusations by shia, in English.

Haider Ali

20-02-07, 07:37 AM

Um Abdullah, your posts are drenched in emotion, not in any logic. I can provide Sunni references, but again these are controversial issues and laymen like us discussing them serves no purpose. If it makes you feel better to slander us, then i'm glad i could help you.

To you your belief & to me mine.

Barracuda

20-02-07, 01:30 PM

what scholars have not been in agreement?
you mean the shaytans not scholars
who make takfir on Umar radiyallahu anhu
no one from ahl assunnah look at him in the way shia do, or consider him a hypocrite or kafir
only shaytan "scholars" do.

and save us ur trashy accusations against him, for you only spread lies and twisted stuff, and they are refuted in Arabic sites that refute shia

we need to have a big site with refutations against false twisted accusations by shia, in English.
BELIEFS CONCERNING THE SAHABAH [RADHIALLAAHU ANHUM رضى الله عنهم] (http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/sahabah.htm)

All the Sahabah صحابه رضى الله عنهم و رضواعنه (Companions) are the people of Paradise, and they must be followed! (http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/pop.htm)

Marwan

20-02-07, 08:03 PM

Hiader, come here:

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114376

miss-islamic

21-02-07, 08:55 PM

which guy?
the guy who made the blog.
and tbh people who speak about tableegh tend to be the ones who have never spent a day in the way of ALLAH and dont know what the great work is - I tend to ignore politely such people.
Agreed.

I have no idea what she's talking about. I'm trying to look for the 'article' on jama't Tabligh, but alas, I cannot find it.
I’ll send it to you. It’s a very nasty article. I thought the articles in this blog were written in the same but it isn’t. Alhamdulilah.
The guy writes other articles too. Funny ones.

Iraninan Ali

10-06-07, 09:44 AM

Too many Nonsences.As a Shia I don't belive in 90% of these scraps.I don't wonder why anti-Shias create these websites to spread hatred among muslims.

Iskandar

10-06-07, 01:32 PM

As Salaam Alaykoum

Fatwa of Shaikh Mahmood Shaltoot

Head Office of al-Azhar University:

IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, THE BENEFICENT, THE MERCIFUL Text of the Verdict (Fatwa) Issued by His Excellency Shaikh al-Akbar Mahmood Shaltoot, Head of the al-Azhar University, on Permissibility of Following "al-Shia al-Imamiyyah" School of Thought

His Excellency was asked:

Some believe that, for a Muslim to have religiously correct worship and dealing, it is necessary to follow one of the four known schools of thought, whereas, "al-Shia al-Imamiyyah" school of thought is not one of them nor "al-Shia al-Zaidiyyah." Do your Excellency agree with this opinion, and prohibit following "al-Shia al-Imamiyyah al-Ithna Ashariyyah" school of thought, for example?

His Excellency replied:

1) Islam does not require a Muslim to follow a particular Madh'hab (school of thought). Rather, we say: every Muslim has the right to follow one of the schools of thought which has been correctly narrated and its verdicts have been compiled in its books. And, everyone who is following such Madhahib [schools of thought] can transfer to another school, and there shall be no crime on him for doing so.

2) The Ja'fari school of thought, which is also known as "al-Shia al- Imamiyyah al-Ithna Ashariyyah" (i.e., The Twelver Imami Shi'ites) is a school of thought that is religiously correct to follow in worship as are other Sunni schools of thought. Muslims must know this, and ought to refrain from unjust prejudice to any particular school of thought, since the religion of Allah and His Divine Law (Shari'ah) was never restricted to a particular school of thought. Their jurists (Mujtahidoon) are accepted by Almighty Allah, and it is permissible to the "non-Mujtahid" to follow them and to accord with their teaching whether in worship (Ibadaat) or transactions (Mu'amilaat).

Signed, Mahmood Shaltoot.

Those of you who go around planting seeds of hate among Muslims should be ashamed. "Anti-shi'ite blog". Well done guys fighting against each other well accomplish a lot. Above a sunni scholar states:"al-Shia al- Imamiyyah al-Ithna Ashariyyah is a school of thought that is religiously correct to follow in worship as are other Sunni schools of thought." Have we forgot that we're all Muslims? Have we forgot about the Americans and "Israelis". Those of you who fight against your brothers are worse than both of these.

Ma'a Salam

al faqeer

10-06-07, 01:37 PM

From the Makkah Conference In 2005 :

Makkah conference we can Clearly see that the stance was reiterated.

With Almighty God's praise, and with the success that He granted us, we convened in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan the International Islamic Conference, in Amman from July 4-6, 2005, in which more than 170 scholars participated. The scholars hailed from different Muslim countries and were adherents to the eight Islamic schools of jurisprudence (Madhahib). These scholars, in accordance with the fatwas issued unanimously by all the Muslim religious authorities, approved the following:

First, whosoever is an adherent to one of the four Sunni schools of jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i and Hanbali), the two Shiite schools of jurisprudence (the Ja'fari and the Zaydi), the Ibadi school of jurisprudence, and the Thahiri school of jurisprudence, is a Muslim. Declarations proclaiming any one of their followers an apostate is invalid. Verily his (or her) blood, honour and property are sacrosanct. Moreover, it is not valid to declare whosoever subscribes to the Ashari creed or whoever practices true Sufism an apostate. Likewise, it is not valid to declare whosoever subscribes to true Salafi thought an apostate.Equally, it is not valid to declare as apostates any group of Muslims who believes in Allah (God) the Almighty and Sublime and His messenger (May Peace And Blessings Be Upon Him) and the pillars of faith, and respects the pillars of Islam and does not deny any necessary article of religion.

Second, between the various schools of jurisprudence, there is more in common than there is difference. The adherents to the eight schools of jurisprudence are in agreement as regards the basic principles of Islam. All believe in Allah the Almighty and Sublime, the One and the Unique, that the noble Quran is the word of Allah revealed and that our master Mohammad, may blessings and peace be upon him, is a prophet and messenger unto all mankind. All are in agreement concerning the five pillars of Islam: The two testaments of faith (shahadatayn), the ritual prayers (salat), almsgiving (zakat), fasting the month of Ramadan (sawm), and the pilgrimage (Hajj) to the sacred house of Allah. All are also in agreement about the foundations of belief: Belief in Allah, His angels, His scriptures, His messengers, and in the Day of Judgment, in divine providence, good and evil. Disagreement within the ulama is only with respect to the ancillary branches of religion (furu) and not the principles and fundamentals (usul). Disagreement with respect to the ancillary branches of religion is a positive thing. Long ago, it was said that variance in opinion among the ulama "is a good affair."

Third, acknowledgement of the schools of jurisprudence within Islam means adhering to a fundamental methodology in the issuance of fatwas: No one may issue a fatwa without the requisite personal qualifications which each school of jurisprudence defines. No one may issue a fatwa without adhering to the methodology of the schools of jurisprudence. No one may claim to do absolute ijtihad and create a new school of jurisprudence or to issue unacceptable fatwas that directs Muslims away from the principles and certainties of the Sharia and what has been established in respect of its schools of jurisprudence.

We presented the recommendations of this conference to Makkah's Forum of Muslim Scholars and Intellectuals, which was convened in Makkah by an invitation from the custodian of the two sacred mosques. The participating scholars in the forum, especially the Committee for Islamic Thought, Culture and Education, adopted these recommendations, in order to facilitate their presentation to this summit.

On this basis, we reaffirm our stance that it is necessary to include the text of the above mentioned recommendations and decisions of the International Islamic Conference, convened in Amman, in the final communique of this summit, and to designate these recommendations and decisions as a term of reference and a basis to settle differences among Muslims, and to close the door on some of those who practice ifta without having the right to do so, declaring some Muslims apostates and killing them in the name of Islam, when Islam disavows illegitimate practitioners of ifta.

http://www.ain-al-yaqeen.com/issues/20051216/feat3en.htm

UMER2008

02-05-08, 10:25 AM

inshallah we will ALL be guided to the straight path... but think of how shia came to be. over a dispute reguarding the imamate, right? so... if people weren't so arguementative, we wouldn't have a problem. but muhammad salallahu alayhi wa salaam said that there was going to be this problem with our ummah dividing... I just like to include shia as muslim just like me, 'cause they are muslim, they believe in la illaha illa allah, but they also have additional beliefs(that may be contradictory to sunni beliefs they're still a part of our ummah, and we need to treat them just like any other brothers and sisters we have in islam.
a lot of my friends are shia... nobody cares. we don't go to the same masjid, but we still interact the same, and have the same basic beliefs.
I know i wouldn't be able to MARRY someone thats shia... but i'm not gonna attack them...

Are Shia Kafir?

1. "Bad'ah" ALLAH tells a lie. (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No.1, Page No. 148. A Shia doctrine.)

2. All Imams are equal in rank and status to Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s). (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 270)

3. There are seventeen thousand Ayah in real Qur'an. (Al Shafi, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 616)

4. Sahabah (R.H) became infidel by denying the divine right (Wilayat) of Hazrat Ali. First three caliph and other Sahabas became infidel by denying the divine right of (Wilayat) of Hazrat Ali. (Asool Kaafi, Page No. 420)

5. All the people rejected Islam after the death of the Prophet except three. Miqdad, Abu Zar and Salman Farsi. (Quran Majeed by Maqbool Hussain Dehlevi, Page No. 134)

6. "Difference between ALLAH and Ali". (Jila-ul-Ayoun, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 66)

7. We are the eyes of the God in his creature and the final authority in all human beings. (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 145)

8. No one possess complete knowledge of Holy Qur'an except Imams. (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 228)

9. Hazrat Abu Bakr (r.a) could not recite Kalma at the time of his death. (Israr-e-Muhammad, Page No. 211)

10. When Our Qaim (12th Imam) gets up, Humira (Ayesha) will be raised from the dead so as to be whipped her due punishment, and so as to avenge the daughter of Muhammad (s.a.w.s), Fatima. (Al Shafi, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 108)

11. Ali is God. (Jila-ul-Ayoun, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 66)

12. The Hujjat (Ultimate proof) of God can not be established without Imam. (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 177)

13. "Changes in Qur'an for Drinker Khulafa-e-Rashideen". (Translation Of Quran Majeed by Maqbool Hussain Dehlevi, Page No. 479)

14. Shaitan was the first to sworn the oath of allegiance from Abu Bakr in the mosque. (Israr-e-Muhammad, Page No. 30)

15. "An accusation of poisoning to Prophet by Ayesha and Hafsa". (Jila-ul-Ayoun, Page No. 118)

16. Imams are God. (Jila-ul-Ayoun, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 85)

17. Imam knows his hour of death and his death is in his control. (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No. 1,Page No. 258)

18. Pakistan is mentioned in the Original Holy Qur'an, present Qur'an is meaningless. (Hazaar Tumhari Das Hamari, Page No. 554)

19. It is infidelity (Kufr) to doubt about the infidelity (Kufr) of Hazrat Umar. (Jila-ul-Ayoun, Page No. 63)

21. Abdullah Ibn-e-Saba maintained the indispensability of Imamat and claimed that Ali was the true lord. (Anwaar-e-Naumania, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 234)

22. According to Shia's nothing can remain hidden from the Imams, they have a complete knowledge of past, present and future. (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 260)

23. Qur'an was ascended in four parts whereas present Qur'an is consist of three parts. (Shia Aur Tehreef-e-Quran, page No. 62)

24. Those who deny the first of Hazrat Ali Caliphate are infidels. (Anwaar-e-Naumania, Vol. No. 3, Page No. 264)

25. Ayesha was an infidel women. (Hayat-ul-Quloob, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 726)

26. We neither accept that God nor Prophet whose successor is Abu Bakr. (Anwaar-e-Naumania, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 278)

27. Imam posses more attribute than a Prophet posses. (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 388)

28. The present Qur'an is abridged where as the Original Qur'an is kept by Imam Mehdi. (Hazaar Tumhari Das Hamari, Page No. 553)

29. Abu Bakr and Umar were more tyrant than Shaitan. (Haq-ul-Yaqeen, Page No. 509)

30. Imam Mehdi will punish Ayesha with strips. (Hayat-ul-Quloob, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 901)

31. "An acceptance of separate Kalma". (Asool-e-Shariat Fee Aqaid-ul-Shia't, Page No. 423)

32. To hide secret and to weep on the operations of Imam is Jihad. (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 226)

33. Shaikheen (r.a) refused to accept the Qur'an which was compiled by Hazrat Ali (r.a). (Fasal-ul-Khitab, Page No. 64)

34. Hazrat Abu Bakr and Hazrat Umar among seven doors of the hell. (Haq-ul-Yaqeen, Page No. 500)

35. Ayesha and Hafsa were hypocrite and infidel women. (Hayat-ul-Quloob, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 900)

36. "An acceptance of alteration in the Kalma Tayyibah". (Shia Mazhab Haq Hai, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 57)

37. Fourteen Imams of Shia's (infallible), the masters of this Universe are desecration of all Prophets and Angels. (Jila-ul-Ayoun, Vol. 2, Page No. 29)

38. Qur'an was eaten by God. (Min Kitab-ul-Burhan Fee Tafseer-ul-Quran, Page No. 38)

39. Imam Mehdi will order, the digging out from grave, the dead bodies of Shaikheen, make them alive and will be punished. (Haq-ul-Yaqeen, Page No. 371)

40. "Ayesha was hypocrite". (Hayat-ul-Quloob, Page No. 867)

41. To ask for help from Ali is not a polytheism but a way of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s)". ( Hathi Kay Daant Khanay Kay Aur Dikhanay Kay Aur, Vol. No.2, Page No. 41)

42. Imam Mehdi will kill all the Sunni Scholars. (Haq-ul-Yaqeen, Page No.527)

43. The main compilers of Qur'an interpreted changed corrupted and perverted the Holy Qur'an. (Al-Ehtijaj, Page No. 257)

44. Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman and Muawiyah are like idols, they are worst of all the creatures of God. (Haq-ul-Yaqeen, Page No. 519)

45. Ayesha was charged of committing open vulgarity. (Qur'an Majeed by Maqbool Hussain Dehlevi, Page No. 840)

46. Kalma Tayyibah without Ali Wali ULLAH is false. (Shia Mazhab Haq Hai, Page No. 2)

47. Hazrat Abu Bakr and Hazrat Umar were the followers of Shaitan. (Quran Majeed by Maqbool Hussain Dehlevi, Page No. 674)

48. Ayesha was not an American or European lady. (Haqeeqat-e-Fiqah Hanfia Dar Jawab Haqeeqat-e-Fiqah Jaffria, Page No. 64)

49. When God becomes happy, He talks in Persian, when He becomes annoyed, talks in Arabic. (Tareekh-ul-Islam, Page No. 163)

50. In Holy Qur'an (Fahsha) refers to Abu Bakr, (Munkir) refers to Umar, and (Baghi) refers to Usman. (Quran Majeed by Maqbool Hussain Dehlevi, Page No. 551)

Now my dear Readers you all only decide what should be the label of such people who are still propagating their false beliefs.

UMER2008

02-05-08, 10:28 AM

TERRIFYING BELIEFS OF SHI'ITES

1.

Allaah often lies and does mistakes. (usool-e-kaafi, page #328, yaqoob kulaini, vol1).
2.

The Munafiqeen (i.e. Sahaba) took very much out of Quran (took out the verses). (Ihtijaj-e-tibri, page #382).
3.

When Imaam Mehdi comes he will bring with him the real and original Quran. (Ahsan-ul-maqaal, page #336, safdar Husain najfi).
4.

The person who says that the present Quran is complete is a liar because the “complete Quran” was compiled by Hazrat Ali. (Fasl-ul-khitaab fee tahreef kitaab rab-ul- arbab, page #4, Noori Tibri).
5.

Abu Bakr is kafir and the one who loves Abu Bakr is also kafir. (Faq-ul-yaqeen, page #690, Baqar majlisi).
6.

Abu Bakr was kafir and Zandeeq. (Kashf-ul-asrar, page #69, khamini).
7.

There is no difference in Abu Bakr and mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani. (Jagir fidk, page #690, Ghulam Husain najfi).
8.

Neither we believe the Allah nor the Prophet of the God whose khalifah is Abu Bakr. (Anwar-ul-nomania, page #278).
9.

I don’t believe in that Allah who gives government to Usman and Ma’avia. (Kashf-ul-asrar, page #107, Khamini).
10.

Umar was a real kafir and Zandeeq. (Kashf-ul-asrar, Khaminee, page #119).
11.

When imam Mehdi comes he will make alive Hazrat Aa'ishah from death and whip her. (Tafseer saafi, line 16, page #108).
12.

Abu Bakr and Umar were agents of Iblees. (Hulyat-ul-mateen, mulla baqar majlisi).
13.

Hazrat Khalid bin Walid was not saif-ullah but saif-us-shaitaan. (Manazir-o-baghdad, page #100).
14.

All the Prophets will become alive from dead and start the jihad under the leadership of Hazrat Ali. (Tafseer ayyashee, page #181).
15.

Real Quran that is compiled by Hazrat Ali will come with imam Mehdi. (Anwar-ul-nomania, page #360).
16.

All Prophets are beggar at the doorstep of Ali. (khalqat-e-norania, page #201, Talib Husain karpalwi).
17.

All the prophets and Angels are the slaves of the 12 imams except Mohammad (saw). (kaleed manaazra, page #35, barkat ali).
18.

12 imams are the teachers of all Prophets except Mohammad (saw). (Majmoa-e-majalis, page #29).
19.

When imam Mehdi comes he will hang Hazrat Abu Bakr and Umar at the holy grave of Hazrat Mohammad (saw). (Majma-ul-ma’arif, page #49).
20.

If Gabriel and Mekael had loved Abu Bakr then they would have been in hell too. (Ameer mukhtar, page #8, mirza basharat Husain).
21.

After the death of Hazrat Mohammad (saw) all the Sahaba become MURTAD except three. (Roza-e-kafee, page #245)
22.

Hazrat Anas Bin Malik, Abu huraira, Amr bin Aas, Ameer Ma’avia and Aa'ishah were worst people of all times. (Makalmaat-e-husainia, page #59).
23.

Man can have Nikah (marriage) with man and his mother, sister and daughter too. (Firqa-ul-shiat, Abi Mohammad-ul-Hasan Bin Moosa).
24.

Hazrat Abu Bakr was Mushrik, Umar was Munafiq and Usman was Kafir. (Shia’an-e-ali aur inn kee shaan, page #54, ghulam husain najfi).
25.

When imam Mehdi come he will be nude and the first person who Bay’ah him is Mohammad (saw). (Haq-ul-yaqeen, page #347, Baqar majlisi).
26.

Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu) was the leader of the Munafiqeen (hypocrites).
27.

Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) had prayed for the murder of Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu).
28.

The day on which Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu), was murdered by the Persian kafir, Lu'lu', is the most auspicious day of the year.
29.

Aa'ishah and Hafsah martyred Rasulullah by giving him poison. (Hayat-ul-quloob, page #870, Baqar Majlisi).
30.

Thus these two male munafiqs (referring to Abu Bakr and Umar) and those two female munafiqs (referring to Aa'ishah and Hafsah) agreed to martyr Rasulullah by administering poison to him. (Hayat-ul-quloob, page #745, Baqar Majlisi)

UMER2008

02-05-08, 10:34 AM

Unanimous Fatwa (Verdict) Of Ulama About Kufr
(Infidelity) And Irtidad (Apostacy) Of Shias

QUESTION :

ITHNA ASHRAH WHICH IS THE LARGEST SECT OF THE SHIAH
RELIGION FOUND IN OUR COUNTRY, IS MUSLIM OR KAFIR? AND
WHETHER INTER-MARRI AGES WITH SHIAS ARE LAWFUL,
WHETHER ONE CAN LAWFULLY TAKE THEIR ZABIAH (MEAT OF
ANIMALS SLAUGHTERED BY THEM) AND WHETHER IT IS
PERMISSIBLE TO SAY THEIR FUNERAL PRAYER OR INVITE THEM
TO PARTICIPATE IN THE FUNERAL PRAYER OF SUNNI MUSLIMS?
BESIDES IF THE SHIAS WISH TO MAKE DONATIONS FOR MASJID
WHETHER SUCH DONATIONS SHOULD BE ACCEPTED OR NOET?

ANSWER:

SHIA ITHNA ASHRAH RAFIDA ARE DEFINITELY OUTSIDE THE
PALE OF ISLAM. OUR ULAMA IN THE EARLIER GENERATIONS
WERE NOT FULLY AWARE OF THE REALITIES OF THE SHIA
RELIGION BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THE SHIA USED TO
HIDE THE TEACHINGS OF THEIR FAITH ON THE PRINCIPLE OF
TAQIYA AND THEIR BOOKS ABOUT RELIGION WERE ALSO NOT
AVAILABLE. AS SUCH SOME OF THE EARLIER
RESEARCHERS/ALIMS DID NOT DECLARE THEM AS KAFIRS ON
THE BASIS OF EXTREME CARE THAT THEY TOOK IN SUCH
MATTERS. BUT TODAY THEIR BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE FOR STUDY
AND THE REALITY OF THE SHIA RELIGION WHICH WAS
SHROUDED IN MYSTERY EARLIER HAS NOW BECOME CRYSTAL
CLEAR TO ALL AND SUNDRY. HENCE ALL THE RESEARCHER IN
RELIGION HAVE BECOME UNANIMOUS IN THE KUFR OF SHIAS
(ON ACCOUNT OF THEIR BELIEFS BORDERING ON KUFR).
DENIAL OF THE FUNDAMENTALS OF DEEN IS KUFR AND AMONG
THE FUNDAMENTALS, AL-QUR'AN OCCUPIES THE MOST
PROMINENT POSITION AS IT IS THE FOUNDTAIN-HEAD OF ALL
THE BELIEFS AND PRINCIPLES OF ISLAM AND SHIAS IN ALL
THE AGES WITHOUT ANY DIFFERENCE OF OPINIONSUBSCRIBE TO
THE BELIEF OF TAHRIF (ALTERATION) IN THE QUR'AN. IN
THE AUTHENTIC BOOKS OF SHIA RELIGION, THERE ARE NO
LESS THEN 200 NARRATIONS ABOT TAHRIF IN THE QUR'AN.
THE FOLLOWING FIVE TYPES OF TAHRIF HAVE BEEN MENTIONED
IN THOSE BOOKS: (i) CORRUPTION OF TEXT. (ii) CHANGING
OF WORDS. (iii) CHANGING OF LETTERS, (iv) DEFECTIVE
CHRONOLOGIGAL ORDER AND (v) DEFECTIVE CHRONOLOGY
FOLLOWED IN SURAHS, AYATS AND WORDS.

ACCORDING TO SHIA ULAMA THE ABOVE MENTIONED FIVE TYPES
OF TAHRIF IN THE QUR'AN HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED ON THE
BASIS OF ( ) UN-INTERRUPTED NARRATIONS WHICH LEND
SUPPORT TO THE THEORY OF TAHRIF IN THE QUR'AN AND
SHIAS ARE FIRM OF THEIR BELIEF IN THIS REGARD.

THE FOUNDERS OF SHIAS RELIGION EVER SINCE THEY LAID
ITS FOUNDATION HAVE PASSED THROUGH THREE HISTORICAL
PHASES. IN THE FIRST PHASE, NO ONE AMONG THE SHIAS
HELD THE BELIEF THAT QUR'AN IS COMPLETE AND
UNCORRPUTED. HOWEVER IN THE SECOND PHASE ONLY FOUR
PERSONS/ PRIESTS AMONG THE SHIAS PROFESSED OUT OF
SHEER TAQIYA THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO TAHRIF IN THE
QUR'AN. THEY WERE (1) ABU JAFFAR SANI MUHAMMAD BIN ALI
BIN HUSSAIN BIN MUSSA BIN BAYYBAH ALLAMA SADDUQH, DIED
381 H (2) SHARIF MURTAZA ABUL QASIM ALI BIN HUSSAIN
BIN HASSANAIAN BIN MUSSA BAGHDADI ILMUL HUDA, DIED 436
H (3) SHAIKH AT-TAIYFAH ABU JAFFAR MUHAMMAD BIN
HUSSAIN BIN ALI TOOUSI MUFASIR, DIED 460 H. (4) ABU
ALI TABRISI AMINUDDIN FAZAL BIN HUSSAIN BIN FAZAL
MASHUDI, AUTHOR TAFSIR MAJMAH AL-BAYAN, DIED 548 H.

THAT IS TO SAY IN THE SECOND PHASE FROM 381 H TO 548 H
ONLY FOUR PERSON/PRIESTS AMONG THE SHIAS DID NOT
BELIEVE THAT THERE HAS BEEN TAHRIF IN THE QUR'AN.
HOWEVER, SINCE THEIR SAYINGS WERE NOT BASED ON
ARGUMENTS AND WERE AGAINST THE UN-INTERRUPTED
NARRATIONS ( ) OF THE SHIA RELIGION, THE SHIA ULAMA OF
THE SECOND PHASE REJECTED THEIR SAYINGS/FINDINGS. FULL
DETAILS IN THIS REGARD CAN BE SEEN IN MY BOOK (I.E.
"DISCUSSIONS & DELIBERATIONS REGARDING TAHRIF IN
AL-QUR'AN").

ALLAMA BAHRUL ULOOM FARANGI MAHAL EARLIER USED TO
ISSUE FATWA TO THE EFFECT THAT SHIAS ARE MUSLIMS BUT
AFTER SEEING TAFSIR MAJMAH BAYAN HE CAME TO KNOW ABOUT
THE KUFR OF SHIAS AND WROTE THAT WHOSO SUBSCRIBES TO
THE VIEW OF TAHRIF IN THE QUR'AN, IS DEFINITELY A
KAFIR (DISBELIEVER IN ISLAM).

TO BE BRIEF, THE CLAIM OF KUFR ON SHIAS IS NOT SOLELY
ESTABLISHED BY THEIR BELIEF OF TAHRIF IN THE QUR'AN
BUT IS FURTHER SUPPORTED AND AUGUMENTED BY OTHER
FACTORS LIKE THEIR BELIEF IN BADA AND QUDZF ( SLANDER
OR SCANDALOUS SUGGESTIONS) ABOUT WIVES OF THE HOLY
PROPHET (SAW) WHO ARE MOTHERS OF ALL THE BELIEVERS.

HENCE IT IS NOT PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE INTER-MARRIAGE
RELATIONS WITH SHIAS, THEIR ZABI'AH IS UNLAWFUL FOR
MUSLIMS; THEIR DONATION (FOR MASJIDS) CANNOT BE
ACCEPTED AND TO SAY THEIR FUNERAL PRAYERS OR TO INVITE
THEM IN THE FUNERAL PRAYER OF SUNNI MUSLIMS - ALL THIS
IS NOT PERMISSIBLE. THESE PEOPLE (SHIAS) CURSE THE
DEAD ONE AMONG THE SUNNI MUSLIMS.

WRITTEN BY: MUHAMMAD ABDUS-SAKOOR FAROOQI, MOHTAMIM,
DAR-UL-MOBAALIGHEEN, LUCKNOW (INDIA).

(2) THE SHIA DENIAL OF THE COMPANIONSHIP ( ) OF HAZRAT
ABU BAKAR AND LEVELLING OF FALSE ALLEGATIONS (
SLANDER) AGAINST HAZRAT AAISHA (R.A.) THE BELOVED WIFE
OF THE PROPHET (SAW) RENDER THEM KAFIR. ALLAMA IBN
ABBIDIN WRITES: THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT A PERSON BEING
KAFIR WHO LAUNCHES A CHARGE AGAINST THE CHASTITY OF
HAZRAT AAISHA (RA) OR DENIES THE COMPANIONSHIP ( ) OF
HAZRAT ABU BAKAR." (SHAMI, VOL. II, P. 294).

THE SAME ALLAMA AT ANOTHER PLACE IN THIS VERY BOOK HAS
WRITTEN THAT SHIAH ARE MURTADS (APOSTATES) AND LIABLE
TO BE KILLED. (SHAMI, VOL. II, P. 683).

"WHOSO BELIEVES IN THE THEORY OF TAHRIF IN THE QUR'AN
IS A MURTAD AND KAFIR. HE CANNOT BE EQUATED WITH THE
"PEOPLE OF THE BOOK" (I.E. THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS).
IT IS UNLAWFUL ( ) TO HAVE INTER-MARRIAGES WITH THEM
OR DEVELOP ANY OTHER RELATIONSHIPS. ALMIGHTY ALLAH HAS
SAID IN THE QUR'AN:

"THOSE WHO RESIST ALLAH AND HIS APOSTLE WILL BE AMONG
THOSE MOST HUMILIATED. . . . . "THOU WILT NOT FIND ANY
PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN ALLAH AND THE LAST DAY, LOVING
THOSE WHO RESIST ALLAH AND HIS APOSTLES EVEN THROUGH
THEY WERE THEIR FATHERS OR THEIR SONS OR THEIR
BROTHERS OR THEIR KINDRED." (58:20 & 22).

"HENCE ONE SHOULD NOT PARTICIPATE IN ANY OF THE
CELEBRATIONS OF THE SHIAH WHETHER THESE RELATE TO
MARRIAGE CEREMONIES OR OCCASIONS OF GRIEF LIKE
FUNDERALS ETC. SHIAS HAVING SUCH BELIEFS ARE NOT ONLY
KAFIRS BUT EVEN WORSE THAN KAFIRS."

RIAZUDDIN, MUFTI, DAR-UL-ULOOM, DEOBAND (INDIA)
19-SAFAR 1348 H.

(3) "THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE QUESTION, I.E. RAFIDA (
SHIAS ARE ALSO CALLED RAFIDA WHICH MEANS DENIERS OF
THE CALIPHATE OF HAZRAT ABU BAKAR, UMAR AND USMAN) ARE
NOT ONLY MURTAD, (APOSTATE) KAFIR AND OUTSIDE THE PALE
OF ISLAM BUT ARE ALSO ENEMIES OF ISLAM AND MUSLIMS TO
SUCH A DEGREE THAT THE OTHERS WOULD FOUND WANTING IN
THIS FIELD. MUSLIMS SHOULD CUT-OFF ALL ISLAMIC TIES
AND RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEM ESPECIALLY THE BONDS OF
MARRIAGE BECAUSE BY DOING SO EITHER ONE INDULGES IN
ZINA AND OTHER OBSCENE THINGS HIMSELF OR LEADS OTHERS
ON THIS PATH (OF EVIL)."

-MUHAMMAD MURTAZA AHSAN, NAZIM, DEPTT. OF EDUCATION
DAR-UL-ULOOM, DEOBAND (INDIA).

(4) "THERE ARE VARIOUS SECTS AMONG SHIA RAFIDA ( );
THEIR DIFFERENT BELIEFS AND CONCEPTIONS ARE BATIL
(FALSEHOOD). AMONG THEM SOME ARE THOSE WHOSE KUFR IS
MANIFEST SUCH AS ITHNA ASHRAH. AS SUCH IT IS NOT
PERMISSIBLE TO ENTER INTO MATRIMONIAL BONDS WITH THEM;
RATHER ALL SORTS OF ISLAMIC TIES AND AFFINITIES WITH
THEM SHOULD BE DISCARDED."

-MUHAMMAD EZZA ALI, MODARIS ADAB AND FIQH,
DAR-UL-ULOOM, DEOBAND (INDIA).

(5) "THOSE PEOPLE WHO POSSES THE ABOVE-MENTIONED
BELIEFS, THEY ARE CERTAINLY KAFIR AND OUTSIDE THE PALE
OF ISLAM."

(6) "ITHNA ASHRAH SHIAS ARE KAFIRS & MURTADS BECAUSE
THEY BELIEVE THAT QUR'AN HAS BEEN ALTERED."

-MUFTI MUHAMMAD ABDUL AZIZ, KHATEEB JAMIA MASJID,
GUJRANWALA.

(7) "ONE WHO PUTS FAITH THAT THE QUR'AN HAS BEEN
SUBJECTED TO TAHRIF (ALTERATION) IS A KAFIR WITHOUT
ANY SHADOW OF DOUBT."

SHABIR AHMAD USMANI, SHAIKH AL-TAFSIR, DAR-UL-ULOOM,
DEOBAND AND JAMIA ISLAMIA DABAEEL, GUJRAT (INDIA).

(8) "THE AFORESAID GREAT ALIM HAS RIGHTLY SAID THAT
ONE WHO LEVELLS THE CHARGE OF TAHRIF IN THE QUR'AN IS
A KAFIR WITHOUT ANY SHADOW OF DOUBT."

-MAULANA MUHAMMAD CHARIQ, AL-MADRIS, ANWAR-UL-ULOOM,
GUJRANWALA.

(9) "SHAIS BECAUSE OF THEIR (PECULIAR) BELIEFS ARE
OUTSIDE THE PALE OF ISLAM AND AS SUCH KAFIRS. HENCE
ISLAMIC BONDS LIKE (i) MARRIAGE WITH THEM (ii) USING
THEIR ZABIAH (iii) SAYING THE FUNERAL PRAYER OF THEIR
DEAD ONES (iv) ALLOWING THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN THE
FUNERAL PRAYER OF SUNNI MUSLIMS (v) MAKING THEM
SHARERS IN THE QURBANI I.E. SACRIFICAL ANIMALS ON
DID-UL-AZHA (vi) MAKING THEM WITNESS IN THE NIKAH OF
SUNNI MUSLIMS (vii) ACCEPTING THEIR MONETARY
CONTRIBUTIONS FOR THE BUILDING OF MASJID --- ALL THESE
THINGS ARE NOT PERMISSIBLE (IN SHARI'AH) AND SHOULD BE
GIVEN UP FORTHWITH. ANYONE WHO DOES NOT DO SO IS
OUTSIDE THE PALE OF ISLAM AND IS SIMILARLY A KAFIR
LIKE THE SHIAS.

-MASUD AHMAD, NAIB MUFTI, DAR-UL-ULOOM, DEOBAND
(INDIA).

(10) "SHIAS ARE IN FACT KAFIRS BECAUSE BESIDES QADFZ (
-(SLANDER) OF UMM-UL-MOMINEEN AND REVILING OF
SHAIKHAIN (I.E. HAZRAT ABU BAKAR AND HAZRAT UMAR) THEY
BELIEVE IN TAHRIF IN THE QUR'AN."

-MUHAMMAD KAFFIAT ULLAH KHAN, MUFTI AZAM HIND, DELHI.

IN EXPOSITION OF THE ABOVE FATAWA DECLARING SHIAS AS
KAFIRS BY THE LEADING ULAMA OF HIND, MAULANA MUHAMMAD
HASIB UMARI, FELLOW, DAR-UL-MOBALAGHEEN, LUCKNOW
WRITES IN THE APPENDIX AS UNDER :-

ATHNA ASHRAH SHIA RAFIDA BEING KAFIRS AND OUTSIDE THE
PALE OF ISLAM IS PROVED FROM A VARIETY OF REASONS.

ALLAMA BAHRUL ULOOM FARANGI MAHAL EARLIER USED TO
ISSUE FATWA TO THE

FIRST PROOF OF SHIA'S KUFR: THEIR FIRST PROOF OF KUFR
IS ESTABLISHED BY THE FACT THAT THEY SUBSCRIBE TO THE
DOCTRINE OF TAHRIF IN THE QUR'AN.* ALL THE SHIAS
BELONGING TO PREVIOUS GENERATIONS OR PRESENT
GENERATION, THEIR IMAMS AND VARIOUS SHIA SECTS ARE
UNANIMOUS OF THEIR BELIEF IN THIS REGARD. HENCE SHIAS
ARE KAFIRS ON THE BASIS OF IJMA (CONCENSUS OF THE
UMMAH).

1 IMAM KAZI AYAZ MALIKI (DIED 544 H) WRITES IN THE
CONTEXT OF KUFR BY CONCENSUS: "SIMILARLY ONE IS ALSO A
KAFIR WHO DENIED THE QUR'AN OR ANY WORD CONTAINED IN
IT OR BELIEVED IN TAHRIF IN THE PRESENT COPY OF THE
QUR'AN...." (SHAFA KAZI p. 364).

2 ALLAMA BAHRUL-ULOOM LUCKNOWI (DIED 1235 H) WRITES
THAT "ONE WHO SUBSCRIBES TO THE VIEW OF TAHRIF IN THE
QUR'AN IS A KAFIR" (EUWATAH AL-RAHMOOT, P. 617).

3 IMAM ALI AL-QARI (DIED 1014 H) WRITES IN THE CONTEXT
OF KUFR BY CONCENSUS: "WHOSO DENIES THE WHOLE OF THE
QUR'AN OR ONE SURAH OR ONE AYAH (OF THE QUR'AN) IS A
KAFIR." (SHARAH FIQH AKBAR, P. 205, 1348 H).

4 SHAIKH ABDUL QADIR JILANI, MUFTI AZAM, BAGHDAD (DIED
561 H) HAS TERMED SHIAS AS KAFIRS AND OUTSIDE THE PALE
OF ISLAM IN THE CONTEXT OF THEIR BLATANT BELIEFS LIKE
TAHRIF IN THE QUR'AN, THE BELIEF THAT THEIR TWELVE
IMAMS ARE INFALLIBLE AND SINLESS ( ) AND THE INSULT
THEY HEAPED ON THE ANGELS ETC." (GHANIATUTAILBEEN, P.
320).

5 CCORDING TO SHIA COURCES THERE ARE MORE THAN 2000
AHADITH WHICH WITHOUT ANY MISGIVING OR DUPLICITY SHOW
TAHRIF IN THE QUR'AN; THESE ARE NO LESS THAN THE
NUMBER OF AHADITH VINDICATING THE DOCTRINE OF IMAMATE.
FASILIL KHATAB FI TAHRIF KITAB RAB-AL-RABBAB, BY
UDOODULLAH HUSSAIN NOORI TAQI TABRISI. P. 339).

SHIAS ARE OF THE VIEW THAT HAZRAT ALI COLLECTED THE
WHOLE OF THE QUR'AN WHICH COMPRISED OF SEVENTEEN
THOUSAND AYAHS (USUL-AL-KAFI) p. 671). WHEREAS THE
PRESENT QUR'AN CONTAINS ONLY 6136 AYAHS (FASILIL
KHATAB P. 104). THAT IS TO SAY THAT 10.864 AYAHS HAVE
BEEN EXCLUDED BY THE SAHABAH FROM THE PRESENT QUR'AN.
IN ADDITION, THE SHI'I WORLD IS BEREFT FROM THE
ORIGINAL QUR'AN BECAUSE THE SAME HAS BEEN TAKEN TO THE
CARE BY IMAM MAHDI SINCE CENTURIES. (FASILIL KHATAB,
P. 97).

WHAT A TRADEGY THAT THE SHIA IMAM HAS DISAPPEARED WITH
THE REAL QUR'AN AND IS NOT RETURNING THE SAME FOR THE
GUIDANCE OF THE SHIA PEOPLE. . . . . . .

SECOND PROOF OF SHIA'S KUFR: ACCORDING TO SHIA BELIEF,
ALLAH IS SUBJECTED TO BADA ( ). THAT IS TO SAY THAT
THE KNOWLEDGE OF ALLAH CHANGES FROM TIME TO TIME
BECAUSE ALLAH IS NOT FULLY AWARE OF THE CAUSES AND
THEIR CONSEQUENCES.

AL-KULAINI THE GREAT MUHADDITH OF THE SHIA HAS DEVOTED
A COMPLETE INDEPENDENT CHAPTER OF HIS BOOK AL-KAFI
UNDER THE CAPTION OF AL-BADA. UNDER THIS CHAPTER HE
RELATES A NUMBER OF STORIES NARRATED ON THE AUTHORITY
OF THE IMAMS, PRESERVED FROM SINS, AS THE SHIA SUPPOSE
THEM TO BE. OR THESE STORIES IS ONE RELATED ON THE
AUTHORITY OF AL-RAYYAN IBN AL-SALT, WHO SAYS THAT HE
HEARD AL-RADA (ALI IBN MUSA, THE EIGHTH IMAM ACCORDING
TO THEM) SAYS: "ALLAH DID NOT EVER SEND A PROPHET BUT
THAT HE SHOULD PROCLAIM WINE AS FORBIDDEN, AND THAT HE
SHOULD AS WELL AS RECOGNISE BADA (THE PROPOSITION THAT
IF A NEW CIRCMSTANCE SHOULD INTERVENE IT MAY CAUSE
ALLAH TO ALTER HIS DETERMINATION) FOR ALLAH" (AL-KAFI,
BOOK OF TAWHID, CHAPTER ON BADA EDN. IRAN, VOL. I P.
148).

THIRD PROOF OF SHIA'S KUFR: THE SHIA BELIEVE IN
REVILLING THE SHAIKHAIN (IE.E HAZRAT ABU BAKR AND
HAZRAT UMAR) AND LAUNCH A CHARGE AGINST THE CHASTITY
OF HAZRAT AISHA (R.A.).

THE COMIPLERS OF FATAWA ALAMGIRI (A VOLUMNIONS BOOK OF
JURISTIC DECISIONS) WRITE IN THIS CONTEXT: "A SHIA
RAFIDA WHO CURSES AND REVILES HAZRAT ABU BAKR AND
HAZRAT UMAR IS A KAFIR. SIMILARLY ONE WHO DOES NOT
ACCEPT THE CALIPHATE OF THESE TWO CALIPHS OF
RASUL-ALLAH IS ALSO A CAFIR." (VOL. III, P. 294).

IT IS STATED IN RADUL-MUKHTAR VOL. III P. 406, SHARAH
FIQQAH-AKBAR P. 86 AND TAHAWI ALE MARAQI P. 198 AHMAD
BIN MUHAMMAD WHO DIED IN 1213 H:

"ANYONE WHO LAUNCHES A CHARGE AGAINST THE CHASTITY OF
HAZRAT AISHA (R.A) AND DENIES THE FACT THAT HER
FATHER, HAZRAT ABU BAKR WAS NOT A SAHABI IS
UNDOUBTEDLY A KAFIR."

IT IS INCUMBENT ON MUSLIMS TO CALL SHIA RAFIDA AS
KAFIRS. THIS IS SAID ON THE AUTHORITY OF FATWA
ALIMGARI WHERE IT IS STATED:

"TO CALL SHIA RAFIDA AS KAFIRS IS BINDING ON THE BASIS
OF THEIR KAFIRIC (HEATHEN OR UN-ISLAMIC) BELIEFS.
THESE PEOPLE ARE OUTSIDE THE PALE OF ISLAM. THEY FALL
IN THE CATEGORY OF MURTADEENS (APOSTATES) AND SHOULD
BE DEALT ACCORDINGLY. ANYONE WHO DOES NOT CALL THEM
KAFIR IS AN IRRELIGIOUS PERSON AND BY THE SAME TOKEN A
KAFIR LIKE THE SHIA." (VOL. I, P. 92).

FOURTH PROOF OF SHIA'S KUFR: THE SHIAS BELIEVE THAT
THEIR IMAMS ARE INFALLIBLE AND SINLESS -- ATTRIBUTES &
QUALITIES WHICH ARE RESERVED ONLY FOR THE PROPHETS AND
MESSENGERS OF ALLAH. WHAT TO SAY OF TWELVE IMAMS OF
THE SHIAS, PERSONS WHO ARE MUCH HIGHER IN STATUS,
PIETY AND NEARNESS TO ALLAH LIKE HAZRAT ABU BAKAR,
HAZRAT UMAR AND WIVES OF THE HOLY PROPHET (SAW) CANNOT
EVEN BE CALLED SINLESS.

IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT SOME OF THE SUNNI ALIMS OUT OF
SHEER IGNORANCE THINK THAT THE SHIAS BELIEVE IN THE
FINALITY OF THE PROPHETHOOD OF MUHAMMAD AND AS SUCH
INVITE THEM IS THEIR CONVENTIONS AND CONFERENCES
WHEREAS THE FACT IS THAT SHIAS ARE OPENLY THE
TRANSGRESSORS OF THE FINAITY OF PROPHETHOOD. SHAH
WALIULLAH DELHVI INHIS BOOK P. 224 UNVELLS THE CURTAIN
BY SAYING, "ACTUALLY THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE
FINALITY OF PROPHETHOOD OF MUHAMMAD THOUGH THEY
PROFESS SO VERBALLY.". . . SHIA BELIEF IN 'IMAMATE' IS
NOTHING BUT AN EXTENSIONS OF THE PROPHETHOOD WHICH OF
COURSE IF FOLLOWED UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME. BUT WHAT IS
THEN IN NAME WHEN THE INTENT AND CONTENT IS THE SAME!
! !

APPENDIX-II

(CONTRIBUTED BY MAULANA ABBAS MUJTAHI, FELLOW,
DAR-UL-MOBAALIGHEEN, LUCKNOW).

"UNDOUBTEDLY RAFIDA (AND SHIAS) ARE NOT MUSLIMS."
(AL-FAZL BY IBN HAZM HANBALI, VOL. II P. 780,
PUBLISHED IN 1341 H).

"THESE PEOPLE (I.E. RAFIDA AND SHIA) HAVE NO RIGHT IN
THE FAY (I.E. PROPERTY TAKEN FROM THE ENEMY WITHOUT A
FORMAL WAR) OF MUSLIMS." (SHAFA-KAZI AYYAZ MALIKI).

"THOSE PEOPLE (SHIA) BY CONSENSUS ( ) AND WITHOUT ANY
DISPUTE ARE KAFIRS." (MAZAHIR HAQ, p. 84). SHAIKH
MUHAMMAD BIN YUSUF, SHAIKH AHMAD BIN YOUNUS, IMAM
ABDULLAH BIN IDRESS (DIED 192 H) WERE ALL AGREED ON
THE KUFR OF SHIA RAFIDA.

THREE AHADITH OF THE PROPHET (SAW)

(1) "IN THE LATTER TIMES, A GROUP WILL APPEAR WHO WILL
BE CALLED RAFIDA. THESE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE GIVEN UP
ISLAM". (MASNAD AHMAD, VOL. I. P. 103).

(2) "AFTER ME THERE WILL EMERGE A GROUP WHO WILL BE
KNOWN BY THE NAME OF RAFIDA. HENCE IF YOU GET HOLD OF
THEM, KILL THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE MUSHRIKS
(POLYTHESISTS) . . . . . . . . . . . . . -- THESE
PEOPLE WILL ABUSE ABU BAKAR AND UMAR AND WHOSO ABUSES
MY SAHABAH, WILL BE ACCURSED BY ALLAH, ANGELS AND ALL
THE HUMAN BEINGS." (DAR-UL-KUTNI).

(3) "A GROUP WILL EMERGE SOON WHO WILL ABUSE MY
SAHABAH AND ENDEAVOUR TO FIND FAULTS WITH THEM. AS
SUCH YOU SHOULD NOT KEEP THEIR COMPANY, NOR DINE WITH
THEM NOR HAVE MARRIAGE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEM FROM
EITHER SIDE. YOU SHOULD NOT GREET THEM EITHER. THE
CURSE OF ALLAH BE UPON THEM." (GUNIATUTALIBEEN, P.
179).

NOTE: THE ABOVE FATWA WAS PUBLISHED LONG AGO BY THE
MOHTAMIM (PRINCIPAL) DAR-UL-MOBEALIGHEEN, LUCKNOW
(INDIA). THIS IS THE ENGLISH RENDERING OF THE
AFORESAID FATWA FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE READERS IN
AFRICA AND SLSEWHERE WHO DO NOT KNOW URDU LANGUAGE AND
ARE BEING CAPTIVATED BY THE AGENTS OF KHOMENI WHO IS
BEING PROJECTED AS THE STANDARD-BEARER OF ISLAMIC
REVOLUTION, FOUNDER OF ISLAMIC SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT,
GREAT LEADER, GUIDE AND BENEFACTOR OF THE MUSLIM
MASSES. THE STRANGE AND SHOCKING THING IS THAT SOME OF
THE SO CALLED ISLAMIC GROUP AMONG THE SUNNI MUSLIMS
HAVE ALLIED THEMSELVES TO THE CAUSE OF KHOMENI WITHOUT
BOTHERING TO KNOW THE FUNDAMENTALS OF SHIA RELIGION!

THE FATWA PRESENTED IN THE FORGOING PAGES HAS BEEN
GIVEN BY HANAFI ULAMA MOSTLY BELONGING TO DEOBAND
SCHOOL THOUTH. THE BRELVI SCHOOL OF THOUGHT AMONG
AHLE-SUNNAH IN INDO-PAKISTAN HAS A SOFT CORNER FOR THE
SHIAS AND INVITE THEM IN THEIR MEETINGS AND
CONFERENCES. THEY SHOULD PONDER OVER THE FOLLOWING
FATWA (DECLARATION) OF THEIR OWN CHIEF WHICH MERITS
SERIOUS ATTENTION OF BOTH LAY MUSLIMS AND ULAMA AMONG
THIS GROUP AND THEN MAKE AMENDS ACCORDINGLY:

MAULANA AHMAD RAZA KHAN BRELVI, FOUNDER OF BRELVI
SCHOOL OF THOUGHT AMONG THE SUNNI MUSLIMS OF
INDO-PAKISTAN SUB-CONTINENT HAS DECLARED IN HIS FATWA
(1320 H) THAT RAFIDA BY AND LARGE ARE KUFFAR AND
MURTADEEN (APOSTATES). THE MEAT OF ANIMALS SLAUGHTERED
BY THEM IS CARRION AND ENTERING INTO MATRIMONIAL
RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM IS NOT ONLY HARM (UNLAWFUL) BUT
ZINA (FORNICATION) PURE AND SIMPLE. GOD FORBID, IF MAN
(HUSBAND) IF RAFIDA AND WOMAN (WIFE) A SUNNI MUSLIM IT
IS A SOURCE OF INCURRING GREAT WRATH OF ALLAH. IF MAN
(HUSBAND) IS A SUNNI MUSLIM AND WOMEN (WIFE) BELONGING
TO SUCH ACCURSED PEOPLE (RAFIDA) EVEN THEN NIKAH WILL
NOT BE VALID AND IT WILL BE A MERE ZINA; THE
OFFSPRINGS WILL BE PRODUCT OF ZINA AND WILL NOT BE
ENTITLED TO ANY SHARE IN THE PROPERTY OF SO-CALLED
FATHER EVEN IF THE CHILDREN ARE BROUGHT OUT AS SUNNIS
BECAUSE ACCORDING SHARI'AH CHILDREN BORN OUT OF ZINA
ARE NOT ASCRIBED TO ANY FATHER. SIMILARLY THE WOMAN
WILL NEITHER BE ENTITLED TO ANY INHERITENCE NOR TO
DOWRY BECAUSE ONE WHO OFFERS HERESELF FOR ZINA HAS NO
CONCERN WITH MAHR (DOWRY). A RAFIDA CANNOT CLAIM ANY
INHERITENCE EVEN FROM HIS CLOSE RELATIONS LIKE FATHER,
SON, MOTHER OR DAUGHTER ETC. WHAT TO SAY OF A SUNNI
MUSLIM EVEN A NON-MUSLIM AND WHAT IS MORE EVEN A
RAFIDA CANNOT HAVE ANY RIGHT OF INHERITENCE IN THE
PROPERTY OF HIS CO-RELIGIONIST. IT IS ABSOLUTELY
UNLAWFUL TO HAVE ANY SOCIAL RELATIONSHIPS OR DEALING
WITH RAFIDA, MEN OR WOMEN, LEARNED OR UNLETTERED.
WHOSOEVER CONSIDERED THEM MUSLIM EVEN AFTER BEING
INFORMED ABOUT THE BELIEFS OF THESE ACCURSED PEOPLE OR
DOUBTS ABOUT THEIR BEING KUFFAR, HE IS HIMSELF A KAFIR
AND IRRELIGIOUS PERSON BY CONSENSUS OF ALL THE
JURISTS. SUCH A PERSON IS TO BE TREATED AT PER WITH
RAFIDA AND SUBJECTED TO SAME RULES AND REGULATIONS. IT
IS BINDING ON MUSLIMS TO LISTEN TO THIS FATWA WITH
RAPT ATTENTION AND BECOME TRUE SUNNI MUSLIMS TO LISTEN
TO THIS FATWA WITH RAPT ATTENTION AND BECOME TRUE
SUNNI MUSLIMS BY ACTING UPON IT WITH FAITH AND
CONVICTION."

THE SAME MAULANA AT ANOTHER PLACE HAS OBSERVED THAT
THE SITUATION (OF SOCIAL INTERCOURSE WITH SHIAS)
ARISES WHEN IMAN (FAITH) HAS DWINDLED AND LOVE OF
ALLAH AND RASUL-ALLAH HAS DEPARED FROM THE HEART,
ALMIGHTY ALLAH SAYS IN THE QUR'AN: "AND IF THE DEVIL
CAUSE THEE TO FORGET, SIT NOT, AFTER THE REMEMBRANCE,
WITH THE CONGREGATION OF WRONGDOERS." (6:68).

RASUL-ALLAH (SAW) IS REPORTED TO HAVE SAID: "KEEP AWAY
FROM THEM AND DO NOT LET THEM TO COME NEAR YOU LEST
THEY MISLEAD YOU AND LAND YOU IN TROUBLE. ( )".

THERE IS A SPECIFIC HADITH ABOUT RAFIDA: "A SECT IS
GOING TO EMERGE WHICH WILL HAVE A BAD CONNOTATION.
THEY WILL BE CALLED RAFIDA. THEY WILL COME NEITHER ON
FRIDAY NOR IN THE CONGREGATIONAL PRAYERS. THEY WILL
VILLIFY THE FIRST GENERATION (OF UMMAH). YOU SHOULD
NEITHER KEEP THEIR COMPANY NOR DINE WITH THEM, NOR
HAVE MATRIMOMIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM. IF THEY FALL
ILL DO NOT GO TO GREET THEM AND IF THEY DIE DO NOT
PARTICIPATE IN THEIR FUNERAL PRAYERS".

NOW-A-DAYS RAFIDAS GENERALLY DENY THE FUNDEMENTALS OF
DEEN AND (AS SUCH) ARE DEFINITELY RENEGADES ( ). NONE
OF THEIR MEN OR WOMEN CAN LAWFULLY BE MARRIED TO A
SUNNI MALE OR FEMAL. MAULANA AHMAD RAZA KHAN BRELVI
AHD FURTHER SAID THAT (TAZIA MOURNING PROCESSION) AS
BIDAH, NOT PERMISSIBLE AND HARAM.

IFTA OF OTHER BRELVI ULAMA

1. PEOPLE OF SUCH A SECT WHO BELIEVE HADHRAT ABU BAKR
SIDDIQI, (RA), HADHRAT UMAR (RA) AND HADHRAT USMAN
(R.A) AS HYPOCRATES, AND HOLY QURAN AS AN-AUTHENTIC
AND MUTA WHICH BY CENSUS OF UMMAH IS HARAAM (UNLAWFUL)
AS LAWFUL, SUCH A SECT. SHOULD DEFINITLY BE DECLARED
AS A NON-MUSLIM MINORITY. TO CONSIDER THEM AS MUSLIMS
IS AN ERROR.

MOLVI MUHAMMAD RAMADHAN
MUFTI, DAR-UL-ULOOM HIZBUL AHNAF, LAHORE (PAKISTAN)

2. THOSE PEOPLE WHO POSSESS SUCH BELIEFS AS HAVE BEEN
MENTIONED IN THE ISTIFTAH (QUESTION) OF TANZEEM
AHLE-SUNNAH NORTHERN AREAS, INDUS & KOHISTAN
(PAKISTAN) -- UNDOUBTEDLY SUCH PEOPLE ARE OUTSIDE THE
PALE OF ISLAM AND ARE TO BE COUNTED AMONG THE
NON-MUUSLIMS. THEY WOULD BE DECLARED NON-MUSLIMS ON
THE BASIS OF THEIR BEING IRRELGIOUS AND DENIERS OF GOD
( ). MULHID ( ) AND ZEENDIQ ( ) ARE THOSE PEOPLE WHO
OUTWARDLY TAKE THE NAME OF FUNDAMENTALS OF DEEN BUT
ARE DENIERS OF THE SAME LIKE QADIANIS (AHMADIS) AND
OTHER PEOPLE OF THEIR ILK. THOSE WHO CLAIM TO HAVE
BELIEF IN ALLAH, RASUL-ALLAH (S.A.W.) AND SHARI'AH BUT
AT THE SAME TIME OPENLY SHOW DISREGARD FOR THEM, SUCH
PEOPLE IN FACT ARE OUTSIDE THE PALE OF ISLAM. THE
RULING ABOUT THEM IS THAT THE GOVERNMENT THROUGH
ULAMA-E-DEEN SHOULD VINDICATE THE TRUTH BEFORE THEM SO
THAT NO EXCUSE IS LEFT ANYMORE. IF THEY REPENT AND
MAKE AMENDS, IT WILL BE TO THEIR BENEFIT; OTHERWISE TO
FINISH (KILL) THEM IS ALSO THE DUTY OF THE ISLAMIC
GOVERNMENT. TO DECLARE THEM AS A NON-MUSLIM MINORITY
WILL BE MEANINGLESS.

MUFTI GHULAM SARWAR QADIRI,
MUMBER CENTRAL ZAKAT COUNCIL &
MOHTAMIM DAR-UL-ULOOM GHOSIA, GULBERG, LAHORE.

3. ANY PERSON OR GROUP WHO TAUNTS REGARDING THE
CHASTITY OF HADHRAT AAISHA (RA) IS A DENIER OF THOSE
VERSES OF SURAH AL-NOOR WHICH VOUCHSAFE THE INNOCENCE
OF HADHRAT ASISHA (R.A). AND ONE WHO DENIES THE QURAN
IS A KAFIR. ANYONE DOES NOT CONSIDER THE PRESENT QURAN
AS THE WORD OF ALLAH HE DENIES THIS VERSE OF THE QURAN

AND A DENIER OF ANY VERSE OF THE QURAN IS A KAFIR. AND
MASOOM (INFALLIBLE & SINLESS) ARE ONLY THE ANGELS AND
THE PROPHETS AND THE CALIPHATE IS JUST AND RIGHT
POSITION AND THE SUPERIORITY OF THE CALIPHS IS IN THE
SAME ORDER IN WHICH THEY SUCCEEDED. IT IS STATED IN
(P. 107): "IT IS WRONG AND MISLEADING TO CALL
HADHRAT'S ABU BAKR, UMAR & USMAN (R.A) AS USURPERS
BECAUSE THEY THEMSELVES NEVER ASPIRED OR SECURED
CALIPHATE RATHER THE MUHAJIREEN AND ANSAR UNANIMOUSLY
ELECTED THEM AS CALIPH. HADHRAT ALI (R.A) ALSO GOT THE
OATH OF ALLEGIANCE ( ) IN PUBLIC FROM THE PEOPLE.
ANYONE WHO SHOWS DISRESPECT TO SAHABA AND CALLS THEM
ASTRAY PUTS HIMSELF UNDER THE CURSE OF ALLAH.

IBN UMAR REPORTED ALLAH'S MESSENGER AS SAYING, "WHEN
YOU SEE PEOPLE WHO REVILE MY COMPANIONS (SAHABAH) SAY,
MAY ALLAH CURSE YOU AND YOUR MISCHIEF." (TIRMIDHI)

ABU SAID AL-KHUDRI REPORTED THE PROPHET (SAW) SAYING,
"DO NOT REVILE MY COMPANIONS, FOR IF ONE OF YOUR
CONTRIBUTED AS MUCH GOLD AS UHUD IT WOULD NOT AMOUNT
TO AS MUCH AS THE MUDD (I.E. ABOUT A KILO) OF ONE OF
THE, OR HALF OF IT." (BUKHARI & MUSLIM)

HENCE IN THE ABOVE STATED ISTIFTAH, A PERSON HOLDING
FALSE AND MISLEADING BELIEFS CANNOT BE RIGHTFULLY
CALLED A MUSLIM. IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR MUSLIMS TO KEEP
CONNECTIONS WITH SUCH A PERSON OR GROUP OR PARTICIPATE
IN THEIR GATHERINGS AND CONVENTIONS. IN OBEDIENCE TO
THE COMMAND OF THE QURAN (6:68) ----- THE MUSLIMS
SHOULD EXPELL SUCH PEOPLE FROM THEIR SOCIETY AND DO
NOT KEEP ANY CONNECTION WHATSOEVER WITH THEM.

ABDUL LATIF, TEACHER, JAMIA NAZIMIAH RAZVIA, LAHORE

UMER2008

02-05-08, 10:37 AM

Answering Shiaism

Shiites see that Jews are better than Muslims:

This Ummah (nation) is the best among all nations. The best of this nation is the first generation (people at the time of the prophet ). Although those people are the most perfect people by their righteous follow to the Sunnah of the prophet , Shia claimed that those people are kâfirs (disbelieves in Islam) and were not following the truth even though they knew it! Whereas since Allah said about Jews (after all the corruption that they did):

"Of the people of Moses there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth." (Qur'ân 7:159)

And whereas none of this Ummah—as the Shia claim follow the truth—do justice in the light of truth, then Jews are better than Muslims! Clearly Jews and Christians respect their prophets more than the Râfidiya:

Imam Sha3bi asked the Jews: "who is the best among your nation?" They said: "the companions of Moses." Then he asked the Christians so they replied: "the apostles of Jesus." Then he asked the Râfidiya "who is the worst among your nation?" They said: "the Companions of Muhammad"

Obviously those Râfidiya are included in the meaning of this Ayah:

Have you not seen those who were given a portion of the Book? They believe in Sorcery and Evil and say to the unbelievers that they are better guided in the (right) way than the Believers! They are those whom Allaah has cursed, and he whom Allaah curses, you will not find for him (any) helper (Qur'ân 4:51)

Shia champions and assist Kafirs against Muslims:

When the Mongols invaded the Islamic world, Shia provided a strong support to them against Muslims. Shia helped the Christian crusaders against Muslims. When Jews established a state in north of Iraq, Shia were the greater supporters to them. Iran today supports al-Gaddafi (president of Libya) who is very anti-Islamic. It also supports Russian crimes against Muslims in Chechnya.

On the other hand, the Sunni Muslims (Ahl-us-Sunnah) are those who uphold the Qur'ân and the Hadeeth (Sunnah). It is through them that Allaah has protected Islaam. They are those who engaged in Jihaad for the glory and dignity of Islaam and established the glorious history of Islaam.

Why Shia curse the wives of the prophet and his companions?

The one who curses the wives of the prophet and his companions is:

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Either a irreligious anti-Islamic hypocrite who make a defamation against them as a way of slandering the prophet and as a scheme to attack Islaam. All the founders of the Shia's movements belong to this group. Note that not any one of Ahlul-Bayt belong to those Shia.
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Or an inattentive who follows his act according to one's own wishes and ignorant. Almost all the Shia today belong to this group.

Remember that Abu-Bakr and Umar were the closest companions to Muhammad as all references indicates and Allaah confirmed in the Qur'ân. His good treat to them is very well known to Shia. They were both fathers-in-law of the Prophet and his right hand. So, if the Shia claim were correct then we have three possible situations:

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Either they were hypocrites and the Prophet Muhammad did not know that. This is a great insult to Allaah since he did not warn his Messenger from his closest companions.
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Or they were hypocrites and the Prophet knew that. This is even worst since they are insulting the Prophet by claiming that he did not warn his nation from those hypocrites and he made them his relatives.
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Or they were good Muslims and they went astray after his death. This is abandonment from Allaah to his messenger since He did not tell him what would happen in the future to warn the Muslim Ummah. How come Allaah who promised to support his religion and his messenger, make to closest companions to his prophet renegades and hypocrites?!

By insulting the wives and the companions of the Prophet clearly the Shia want people to say: "Muhammad was a wanton man among wanton companions. If he were a virtuous man then his companions will be virtuous people too." The Shia curse the Companions who are the righteous pattern to this Ummah and Allah bear witness for that:

(Some part is due) to the indigent Muhajirs (the Companions who emigrated from Mecca), those who were expelled from their homes and their property, while seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure, and aiding Allaah and His Messenger: such are indeed the sincere ones;
But those who, before them, had homes (in Medina) and had adopted the Faith, show their affection to such as came to them for refuge, and entertain no desire in their hearts for things given to the (latter), but give them preference over themselves, even though poverty was their (own lot). And those saved from the covetousness of their own souls; they are the ones that achieve prosperity. And those who came after them say: "Our Lord! Forgive us, and our brethren who came before us into the Faith, and leave not, in our hearts, rancour (or sense of injury) against those who have believed. Our Lord! Thou art indeed Full of Kindness, Most Merciful." (Qur'ân Hashr: 8-10)

Contradiction in Shiaism

Shia cusses Abu-Bakr and his daughter Aaishah, the wife of the prophet , but they regard his son since he fought with Ali. So, they hate the best one in this Ummah after The Prophet and they regard his son who does not have any contribution in raising Islaam.

Shia also claim that they love the family of the Prophet but they curse his wives who are the most important part of his family!

Why acussing the Companions (Sahâbah) of The Prophet is very dangerous?

Because the Companions of The Prophet are those who are denigrating and demolishing Islaam. For, indeed, it is the Sahâbah (my Allah be pleased with them) who are the ones through whom Islaam has been passed down to us. So those people who curse and insult them, in reality, are destroying Islaam.

During a class of Imaam Maalik, it was mentioned that the Raafidite Shi`ites curse the Sahaabah. In reply, he quoted the Qur'ânic verse, "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and those with him are harsh with the disbelievers and gentle among themselves. So that the disbelievers may become enraged with them." He then said, "Whoever becomes enraged when the Sahaabah are mentioned is one about whom the verse speaks." So, anyone who is enraged by the mention of the Sahaabah is a disbeliever, because the verse says, "…the disbelievers may become enraged with them (Sahaabah)."

Shia curses the Rightly Guided Khalifas (May Allah be pleased with them)

If they had any sense, they would know and appreciate that they are in reality cursing the Holy Prophet himself. Abu Bakr and Umar were both fathers-in-law of the Prophet. Also, during the lifetime of the Prophet both were his right hand men; and after his demise, it is they who had great worry feeling for the welfare of Islaam. Who else has ever been honored with such a position and honor as was granted to these two? Again, it is these two who had always participated and had been with the Prophet during all the battles. These facts are enough to refute the Shia beliefs.

As for Uthmaan, he was the husband to two daughters of the Prophet. It is clear that Allaah does not choose for His Messenger a son-in-law and companions except those who are the best.

If the Rafidiya (Shia) are true to their claims, then could they explain why The Messenger did not forewarn the Ummah and clarify the alleged enmity of the Rightly Guided Khalifas (i.e. Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthmaan) towards Islaam?

Allaah bears witness in the Qur'ân that Abu Bakr is a close companion to the prophet Muhammad by his saying:

"If ye help not (Muhammad ), (it is no matter): for Allah did indeed help him, when the Unbelievers drove him out: he had no more than one companion (Abu Bakr): they two were in the Cave, and he said to his companion, Have no fear for Allaah is with us." (9:40)

Shia curses Ali (May Allah be pleased with him)

Their insults and curses are not limited just to the Rightly Guided Khalifas but are also directed towards Ali. Because Ali himself, in Masjid Rabia, gave the oath of allegiance (bai'ah) to Abu Bakr and also gave his daughter, Umm Kulthum in marriage to Umar. He also willingly gave the oath of allegiance (bai'ah) to Uthmaan. Not only this, but he was actually the right hand man and a well wisher of the Rightly Guided Khalifas. So could Ali chosen a kafir as a son-in-law for himself? And could Ali have given the oath of allegiance (bai'ah), as he did, to a kafir? Subhân Allah (Glory to God)! This indeed is a great accusation!