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qasim123
17-02-07, 07:11 AM
Dear All I was thinking on the sue -side bombing ...for the reason it works well for any western soldier but what about killing of Guards in Pakistan ..and thousands of killings of innocents in the markets of Iraq....Is it just ?? if not with what mind a person think that he would be awarded Jannah on killing some one who is innocent .... According to my knoweldge Quran Condemn the killing of inocent non Muslims even ...and killing of Muslim brother and sister must be catastrophe.. .....Is there any solution for this ..... or we leave it to Hazarat Imam Mehdi ...time that when he would come conditions would start becoming good....
Second thing I was worried is because of "(Madrasas)" "Learning of Quran in Mosque" in my country " Pakistan" .....there are uncountable students learning in these....the person teaching them has a limited knowledge or simply no knowledge...what all he is doing is taking money from the houses near by and take the boys with him to finish Quran i.e is what we call "Khatam-e-Quran" ... These are generating masses in a big number....The question which haunts me what these people would do in the future life......They have no knowedge....except learning Quran and that too without translation...so it is worthless in a sence that with out knowing the meaning of what you are learning you cant think/act in the way Islam says.....

This situation is alarming and I dont find any solution to this ....

Abu Hurairah
17-02-07, 09:08 AM
We have discussed this matter in great detail several times in a number of threads- so please use the search function to seek further clarity on this subject from all angles and perspectives for and against based on the evidences from the Qur'an and Sunnah as well as the Scholars presented by the advocates in favour and those opposed.

Also specifically related to your question look into why it is that some see the General President Pervert Busharaf himself and his Bakistani Army as a legitimate target considering the arrest, torture and shedding of blood of believers struggling in Kashmir, physically aiding and allying with the forces of kufr to attack and slaughter the Afghani brethren, arrest and abuse of brothers before handing them over to the kuffar to be deported, raid arrests of 'Ullema, Masjids, and Madrassahs, to name but a few.

As for the students becoming Hafidh in the madrassah systems than alhamdulillah, this is a beautiful blessing- may Allah (swt) accept this and raise them into pious scholars insha'allah. Na'am they should be taught the knowledge of tafsir and understand the meaning rather than just memorise without attaining the greater purpose of the Qur'an deriving guidance learning lessons from Allah's book.

I also agree some level of Wordly knowledge should be learnt also naturally but in conjunction not at the expense of learning ilm which will be of benefit for them and us in this World and the Next insha'allah.

To just await with no sincere efforts in an endless sleeping state letting all around us decay wishfully thinking that with the arrival of Imam Mehdi you, I, and others will spring into action to the Ummah's rescue is plain to the ones who have even a little sense a wrong path, we only fool ourselves if we do this.

Allahu Alam.

qasim123
19-02-07, 10:22 AM
I dont think so with out understanding the Quran you can bring any good to you .....I never said it is not good what they are doing ...but it is purpose less.... if your first language is not arabic it would be learning some thing really odd....secondly there area many Hadith in which Prophet (PBUH) emphisized the get knowledge.

one Hadith states that, " Seeking knowledge is a duty of every Muslim, man or woman." (Ayisha Lemu 1978: 25). Another Hadith states, " Seek knowledge from the cradle to grave." (1978:25)

He meant both worldly and Religious studies ....and many of our past scholars had both the knowledge...... So, what I mean was what they can do in future .... Islam is a moderate religion and always ask u take both the things together...

Secondly , about Musharaf.... what ever he is doing does not mean that you kill people travelling in Train ...You start to blow up the court...and Hotels..weather he is doing good or bad ...can any logic explain this ....