Perversion.

[boosh]

What is more likely to cause sexual perversions? Repression or Decadence?

I ask because Religion tends to be about sexual repression, put that away, cover that up, thats disgusting, you'll go to hell, cover that up as well... etc. Particularly, but not exclusively Islam and Catholicism.

However repression is well known to be a root cause of perculiar sexual fetishes, sexual deviance and yes perversion. Religion is also quick to blame us in the decadent west for our sexual liberation as a cause for the aformentioned perversion.

I want to know your opinion.

[Chained_Water]

You are wrong on sexual repression.

Islam says there is a place for sexuality and that place is with your spouse in privacy.

Your sexuality is not to be put on display and shared with the world at large. There should be a level of decency upheld in society, you should be able to walk outside with your children without them seeing breasts and bottoms everywhere, you should be able to walk with your father, brother, grandma, whoever without being embarrassed by having to witness indecency out on the street.

Sexuality has it's place and it is not in public!

That does not mean it is repressed though or that people are told it is wrong or bad.. it isn't. Love, affection, fulfilling your desires with your spouse and pleasing each other is encouraged and even considered an act of charity/worship.

Anyway what proof do you have that repression is the root cause of perversion?

Surely you have to already feel/desire something to repress it? So how do you figure that repressing desires leads to them becoming perverted?

[ur_yusra]

What is more likely to cause sexual perversions? Repression or Decadence?

Every two minutes in America..

A woman is raped.

Enough said.

[boosh]

Every two minutes in America..

A woman is raped.

Enough said.

Hey at least in America there is the possibility that the one being raped can get some semblance of justice. What would the woman get in Pakistan?

[Chained_Water]

Hey at least in America there is the possibility that the one being raped can get some semblance of justice. What would the woman get in Pakistan?
What would the woman get in Timbukto.

Dude.. we ain't in Pakistan.

[Nusayba]

Hey at least in America there is the possibility that the one being raped can get some semblance of justice. What would the woman get in Pakistan?

What ru trying to say?

Atleast in Pakistan women aren't encouraged to appear naked on a coke bottle or ice-cream, or go to clubs and wear no clothes.

and face it, women are being raped in america every min as we speak now.

[Medievalist]

Religion says be modest and it says that enjoy what ALLAH Ta'ala has give you with bashfulness and in a pure way.

The example is defecating. We all need to do it and most people understand that there are ways it is done - viz in private. But u get weirdos who do weird things even with this thing - just cos our religion says it should be done in private and has even taught us the method (viz use water, prevent soiling of clothing etc) does that mean the religion is repressing our natural urge? Ofcourse not - most would understand the guidance given by our religion in regards to natural evacuation - its exactly the same with having conjugal relations.

[.: Anna :.]

I agree with wat cw said and also med.
Islam does not "repress" sexuality, people are encouraged to marry, we do not have this idea of celebacy. Its just that there is a correct place for things, and within marriage is the correct place. Its not like women are covering all the time infront of their own husbands aswell.
It has been said that deviance can occur because sex is in people's faces all the time and becomes no more "mystery" or ne allure or attraction towards that, ie people become like immune to that in a way and so they think of other like perverted actions as something "exciting" (eg homosexuality, animalistic things, other strange practises...)

[SeanBen]

Hey at least in America there is the possibility that the one being raped can get some semblance of justice. What would the woman get in Pakistan?

Semblance of justice is not justice..it's a mockery of the victim.
in the west jahillya, women are far more likely to get abused raped killed than any part of the world be it Islamic or not..that how it is.

if you want to talk about sexual perversion, you may need to go to india or thailand and ask all those western pedos? the world is now is asking why are americans and some europeans want to have sexual relations with little girls and boys.

so you can see it's has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with broken morals that are found mostly in the west.

[SeanBen]

in america, about 80% of rapes arent reported because of the semblance of justice you have mentioned. rape victims are mocked and criminalized.

not to mention child molestations which are epidemic here.

[SeanBen]

What is more likely to cause sexual perversions? Repression or Decadence?

I ask because Religion tends to be about sexual repression, put that away, cover that up, thats disgusting, you'll go to hell, cover that up as well... etc. Particularly, but not exclusively Islam and Catholicism.

However repression is well known to be a root cause of perculiar sexual fetishes, sexual deviance and yes perversion. Religion is also quick to blame us in the decadent west for our sexual liberation as a cause for the aformentioned perversion.

I want to know your opinion.


you absolutely have no proof that religion is the root of perversion..Religion is the protection against the rperversion you are talking about. maybe you are looking at the catholic faith where priest molest children. you need to ask yourself if that type of profession attract molesters. which are also attracted to boy scoots, children camps, yought guidance/councelors. these aren't religious organisations.

I believe the root of the tyoe of perversion you are talking about is from the prono-societies in american and some western countries. when one can be bombarded every second of his awaken day to imagery of sex and labidinous music, the results is a depraved society. when sexuality is treated with the greates respect as it is in Islam and some ( very few) jewsih denominations, this type of perversion is paractically nonexistent.

i should add that TV in america at least is used as an arousal tool with it's constant non stopping programs boardering on porn.

[Red_Ink]

Once what was considered "taboo behavior" is now accepted and encouraged by a minority of ignorant, secular, atheist etc individuals.

The motives, including money, is much more sinister - to destroy the culture, morals and values of a nation.

The secularists, far left, commies, atheists and special interest groups (Aclu, Planned Parenthood, Acmbl, Feminists etc) would consider sexual perversion as "freedom of speech".

Of course they don't use the word perversion - they promote it as FREEDOM and CIVIL RIGHT.:rolleyes:

It takes a person of faith to ignore the temptations of sex, pornography and seeking to satisfy the curiosity of perverted unknowns. Widely accepted and encouraged behavior such as this leads to low self esteem, drugs, alcoholism, aids and other venereal diseases, unwanted pregnancies and the murder of human beings through abortions - 1,500.000 every 365 days in America and of course suicide and death in many other horrible ways. Why would any society WANT this for their citizens?

Praise be to -pray:Allah-SWT- to warn us to abstain from these activities/thoughts for the reasons I mentioned above.

[Kal-El]

Ignore my vote, I wanted to click Decadence but clicked on the second one accidentally

[the saint]

The example is defecating. We all need to do it and most people understand that there are ways it is done - viz in private. But u get weirdos who do weird things even with this thing - just cos our religion says it should be done in private and has even taught us the method (viz use water, prevent soiling of clothing etc) does that mean the religion is repressing our natural urge? Ofcourse not - most would understand the guidance given by our religion in regards to natural evacuation - its exactly the same with having conjugal relations.

Excellent example!

[Ibn Sina]

Hey at least in America there is the possibility that the one being raped can get some semblance of justice. What would the woman get in Pakistan?

The punishment for rape is stoning to death as indicated by this hadith:

Sunaan Abu Dawood
Book 38, Number 4366:
Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr:

When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her.

She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.

She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him).

When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.

He (the Prophet) said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But he told the man some good words (AbuDawud said: meaning the man who was seized), and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death.

He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them.

SOURCE (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/abudawud/038.sat.html#038.4366)

[SeanBen]

think about it, the reason the secular society is trying to link perversion with repression is to say that if you let people have their fill of open sexuality and everything goes, then perversion would stop.

this is because they want to destroy every fabric of what make us above animals.