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Dont pass judgement, just read and advice me sincerely pls. some one admonish me pls, it may be thru ur words i will meet goals. and my deeds become a sadaqah for u. dont leave thinking this thread is to long.
I went thru a test a while back It all started with a toothache, it was by far the worst pain i have ever felt in my 22 yrs of life.
nothing i tried worked to better or heal it, even dua, each time the pain came back with a bang, now it was the crack of dawn,
i prostrated and started to cry, begging Allah to help me, i got up still felt the pain, i began to figet uncontrollably because i couldnt hack it anymore.
then sat and made more dua, i just couldnt stop crying, all of a sudden my faith was put to the test,
i called upon allah, begging, pleading, crying
still nothing. i blamed my sins.
there was silence then the thought came to my head ''pray to jesus''
b4 the time of my tooth ache i was talking to christians on the internet abt religion, i came across this website where many claimed 'jesus healed them' of course i didnt believe in it.
non the less that whisper came back this time it got worse 'dont u get it quest? u have been mis led, jesus is ur lord pray to him''
so i began to say athu billaah, i literally began talking back to this voice angrilly 'Allah is my lord, allah allah allah'' (cant recall my exact words but yes something akin to the above)
the voice i remember tho 'what have u got to lose? just pray to jesus nothing fancy just say jesus help me, and if it works u will know, if it doesnt go back to pray to Allah'
at this point my pain became extreme, tears were coming down face like tap water, its like i was getting severe headaches, mixed with pain and heart ache came at me all at once.
this voice went on 'jesus is ur lord put him to the test, what r u afraid of?'
i remembered the verse from the quran "The true believers are those who believed and never doubted after''
i kept saying 'my lord is allah only allah'
the voice kept coming at me, i went silent, my mind completely blank, then my inner bad self whispering 'could it be true?'
I looked into my heart, and sincerly said 'no' 'my lord is unseen'
so i prayed to allah again, now when u are desperate, u experience the crest of sincerity. This dua was sincere, i was helpless, afraid, in pain and couldnt take it any more, i truely acknowledged Allahs might and power tho i knew of it b4 that nite i saw it.
breakthrough, my pain was now 99% gone it no longer irritated me, i went back to bed, and slept i just fell asleep like a baby. (had my tooth taken out shortly after)
Shaytan attacks the lonely sheep, but the sheep can win if it remembers its master.
This episode of my life taught me something, i dont want hell fire to touch even one inch of me. i want to enter jannah thru the back door.
i hate pain, and theres a lot of work to do, for if i couldnt hack a tooth ache imagine me facing Allahs wrath on judgement day?
having to drink boiling water in hell fire which is enuff to make ur intestines melt. is enuff knowledge of hell fire for me.
Hell fire is not a myth its a reality, this episode of my life taught me to take it seriously. when i remember it i abstain from sin as tho the fire is infront of me. now is the time to live my life (whats left of it) acting truely believing this.
am in a process of preparation, i read a verse from the quran regarding repentence talking abt people like me and Allah said it is hoped he would forgive us.
the danger to this is, there is a chance i could die b4 reaching my goal
u have no idea how this effects me. (the scholar said hence the words ''it is hoped'' whereas all the other repenters who fell into different catergorys then the one i fell into , were called tranquill souls etc they had a promise of forgiveness.
my catergory said ''it is hoped allah will forgive them''
i keep failing but i have this gut feeling Allah is watching me saying fix up u have no idea whats waiting for u.
i have dreams which show me, but when i wake up am like what me? naa
i have dreams showing me things that would make some muslims jealous. so i dont narrate them.
i wake up reflect, its in the back of my head, but some how due to pasion fall into sin again. i repent then do it again.
my weakness isnt that i dont regret or feel remorse in the sin, its my failure for resolve to never do it again tho i sincerly dont want to.
am telling u guys this, because i cant do it in real life.
i procrastinate all the while hoping to change.
thats why that verse where allah says it is hoped allah will forgive (ppl like me) and the scholars tafsir that (the danger is i could die without reaching my goal)
terrifies me.
what do u advice to people like me?
for the past few weeks, i have been contemplating, my iman is nothing like when i 1st started practicing, i have a map of where i went wrong, i reflected and analysed myself therefore no what to change how to change it the whole 9 yards. Allah gave me all the answers. by leading me to them, after questions regarding them came to my head.
so whats the problem?, i need one push, in the right direction, if its gonna be any time its now. because i want to truely 100% submit to Allah, my problem is when i try 2 repent, i begin 2 remember the pleasure in the sin, and become pre-occupied with it, so i come back 2 the same spot.
what do u advice people like me with.
i fear dying preparing to change. for that indeed is a wasted end.
Salam sis, pardon me for not having any specific advice but this subject is interesting. When people have such thoughts, it's always because they prayed sincerely and hard to Allah (or their God), and nothing happened, thus they got emotional.
Is it wrong to, instead of expect results, to just hope for results? Or when you are so close to your deen spiritually, is expectation (when you're really in need) just natural?
I'm confused about that. Shouldn't people just hope for the best and avoid expectation?
Share your thoughts though :)
Tahiyah
06-02-07, 07:51 AM
read this sis,
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112022
and defo check this out, some great stuff to read here:
http://www.positive-action.net/al-yusra/articles.htm
about the toothache, that was shayton whispering sis, he came to you in your time of weakness, PAIN. he comes to mess with people when they are dying too, you held tight, so dont beat yourself up.
be patient sis and always ALWAYS seek refuge in Allah from the whispers of Shayton. dont worry to much sis, much of what your going through i believe is normal, just do your best to please Allah (swt) and ask for forgiveness often. we are all sinners and Allah says he will forgive your sins even if they pile up to the sky. your fear is good, as it shows you fear Allah..but inshaa Allah..have hope too. perform dhikr.
May Allah (swt) bless you and reward you. Ameen.
Salam sis, pardon me for not having any specific advice but this subject is interesting. When people have such thoughts, it's always because they prayed sincerely and hard to Allah (or their God), and nothing happened, thus they got emotional.
Is it wrong to, instead of expect results, to just hope for results?
Your defintely right, i dont know abt others, but personaly i was emotional due to my helplessness.
when a person is a desperate bro the only thing that keeps them going is hope for a sudden voilaa result.
i got thru that nite because of this hope. i was tested thru how long it took, which wasnt even an entire nite, makes u remember nabi ya'qub and his years of pain.
i didnt expect results, infact i blamed my sins for the delay. i hoped for results tho, and this is what made me persevere.
no it isnt wrong 2 hope for results rather than expect them
Diin is balanced thru hope and fear not expectation and fear.
Your defintely right, i dont know abt others, but personaly i was emotional due to my helplessness.
when a person is a desperate bro the only thing that keeps them going is hope for a sudden voilaa result.
i got thru that nite because of this hope. i was tested thru how long it took, which wasnt even an entire nite, makes u remember nabi ya'qub and his years of pain.
i didnt expect results, infact i blamed my sins for the delay. i hoped for results tho, and this is what made me persevere.
no it isnt wrong 2 hope for results rather than expect them
Diin is balanced thru hope and fear not expectation and fear.
Expectation and lack of the expected results can also confuse the person emotionally, and spiritually like what happened with you. Sis Tahiya gave great advice (ameen to her dua); you became so emotionally exhausted and physically in pain, you looked for any thoughts of comfort and then the idea of Jesus healing you was the one thing that your mind could find relation to. Shaytan took advantage of that.
Don't beat yourself over things when they don't work out the way you want them to, I think your a very self-concious lady. Maybe a little too self-critical. Remember, sometimes these are tests from Allah and they don't necessarily mean you are a bad person for getting tested, even the good get tested alot.
The thing you went through, in some cases, makes or breaks people's faiths but you turned out just fine from it :) Be conscious of that!
When I was younger, e.g. 12, I didn't know much about my faith and I remember a time where I just closed my eyes and begged Allah for help. I didn't expect anything, only hoped and he granted me what I had hoped for. This bought me closer to my deen. There was a time later on where I sort of expected salvation in my time of great need, I didn't get it and you can imagine the thoughts/feelings that came into my head.
I learnt a great lesson in hindsight though
read this sis,
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112022
and defo check this out, some great stuff to read here:
http://www.positive-action.net/al-yusra/articles.htm
about the toothache, that was shayton whispering sis, he came to you in your time of weakness, PAIN. he comes to mess with people when they are dying too, you held tight, so dont beat yourself up.
be patient sis and always ALWAYS seek refuge in Allah from the whispers of Shayton. dont worry to much sis, much of what your going through i believe is normal, just do your best to please Allah (swt) and ask for forgiveness often. we are all sinners and Allah says he will forgive your sins even if they pile up to the sky. your fear is good, as it shows you fear Allah..but inshaa Allah..have hope too. perform dhikr.
May Allah (swt) bless you and reward you. Ameen.
J'khayr sis those links helped, especialy the 1st one.
tho the sins differ between me and the questioner, i understood his worry.
i know worry doesnt correct mistakes, yet the un certainty of my end scares me. i dont think i will ever have a relief of mind not untill i cross that bridge of siraat.
i have hope usually, but when i reflect on what i have done, fear takes over.
i am 3 types of people
1) the person i think i am
2) the person others think i am
3) the person Allah knows i am
when it comes to 1) i think am the worst of believers, at times i think am ok, so shouldnt be hard on myself. the person i think i am thus is not even one person!
when it comes to 2) others adore me and think am a great muslim, this makes me feel like a hypocrit and hate when am praised. their thoughts at times diludes me and i find myself saying mayb am not so bad. these people know nothing and their definition of a true believer is weak if they think i epotomize it.
when it comes to 3) i dont know what my lord thinks of me.
sis thank u for ur advice. but this is one norm i dont want to accept. i will read the other links u gave me b'feek.
man i never knew i would need to read abt depression.
Sis Tahiya gave great advice (ameen to her dua); you became so emotionally exhausted and physically in pain, you looked for any thoughts of comfort and then the idea of Jesus healing you was the one thing that your mind could find relation to. Shaytan took advantage of that.
i learnt something from u today, regarding the hope for result dont expect it, tho i excercise it at times, i never did consiously. and i think i would so may allah reward u every time i do.
do u think i looked for thoughts of comfort and jesus was the one i found?
when it all happened, it happened randomly. i never had an explanation for that. i just thought it was because not long b4 i was talking 2 christians and reading their storys on how jesus healed them
so its interesting to read that quote. your right abt my being self criticle.
its because i hate when others do it, so do it myself often.
i learnt something from u today, regarding the hope for result dont expect it, tho i excercise it at times, i never did consiously. and i think i would so may allah reward u every time i do.
do u think i looked for thoughts of comfort and jesus was the one i found?
when it all happened, it happened randomly. i never had an explanation for that. i just thought it was because not long b4 i was talking 2 christians and reading their storys on how jesus healed them
so its interesting to read that quote. your right abt my being self criticle.
its because i hate when others do it, so do it myself often.
Jesus Pbuh was praying to almighty Allah swt like every rightoeus human ...right .
Tahiyah
06-02-07, 08:55 AM
J'khayr sis those links helped, especialy the 1st one.
tho the sins differ between me and the questioner, i understood his worry.
i know worry doesnt correct mistakes, yet the un certainty of my end scares me. i dont think i will ever have a relief of mind not untill i cross that bridge of siraat.
i have hope usually, but when i reflect on what i have done, fear takes over.
i am 3 types of people
1) the person i think i am
2) the person others think i am
3) the person Allah knows i am
when it comes to 1) i think am the worst of believers, at times i think am ok, so shouldnt be hard on myself. the person i think i am thus is not even one person!
when it comes to 2) others adore me and think am a great muslim, this makes me feel like a hypocrit and hate when am praised. their thoughts at times diludes me and i find myself saying mayb am not so bad. these people know nothing and their definition of a true believer is weak if they think i epotomize it.
when it comes to 3) i dont know what my lord thinks of me.
sis thank u for ur advice. but this is one norm i dont want to accept. i will read the other links u gave me b'feek.
man i never knew i would need to read abt depression.
sis, just so you know, that link i gave you isnt only about depression. has lotsa great stuff, special duas and advice to handle hardships..etc. i think its a nice site for all muslims to visit, inshaa Allah.
Genghis Cohn
06-02-07, 08:58 AM
Go to a dentist at once.
Pain affects people and the way they think in strange ways. Once the toothache has been treated you will be able to think more clearly and calmly and decide for yourself, but don't do anything until you've done that.
TinyTerror
06-02-07, 09:26 AM
Wa Alaikumassalam sis Quest
(I like your username, reminds me of the hobbit for some reason :D )
Anyhoo back to topic, try not to stress so much over it and see it like this. The closer a believer gets to Allah Azawajal the stronger the whispers of Shaytaan become. MashAllah from what i read you did fine. You took refuge in Allah Tala which is what we are prescribed in such situations
(And if an evil whisper comes to you from Shaytan, then seek refuge with Allah. Verily, He is Hearing, Knowing)
(7: 200)
And if an evil whisper from Shaytan tries to turn you away (from doing good), then seek refuge in Allah. Verily, He is the Hearing, the Knowing) (41:34-36)
(Repel evil with that which is better. We are Best-Acquainted with the things they utter. And say: "My Lord! I seek refuge with You from the whisperings (suggestions) of the Shayatin (devils). And I seek refuge with You, My Lord! lest they should come near me.''
(23:96-98)
Sister remember this world is but a test and the more you are tested the stronger and better you become inshAllah. Allah Tala knows how we act and live in this world. He sends us to be tested by Him, so that we can improve our abilities and skills through the responsibilities He ordains for us. It is a blessing if only we remembered.
Do the people think that they will be left to say: "We believe", and they shall not be tried?
(29 : 2).
Do you think that you will enter Paradise before Allah tests those of you who fought (in His Cause) and (also) tests those who remained patient?
(3:142).
Do you think you shall be left alone while Allah has not yet tested those among you who have striven hard...
(9 : 16).
So Smile for you are one of the fortunate ones - tested in this dunya as a sign of His love for you. Indeed the sahaba used to look at those who were tested more than themselves and fear a deficiency in their imaan.
When i first started wearing the niqaab and becoming more aware of islam i would find that whenever i sat down to make sincere dua and repentance a would get the waswasaa the strongest trying to make me question La ilaha illalla (Aouthubillah himinash Shaytaanir Rajeem). At first i would get frustrated and would end up concentrating so hard trying to rid myself of them that i i had little time left for my duas. As i strove to increase in ilm i realised this was the way of shaytaan thus whenever this would happen i would just ignore it and carry on praying and soon they would stop.
It's difficult i know but i find what helps me most is remember the blessings of Allah Tala. Though we could never count the infinite blessings of Allah there are many a times i'm sure when each of us has experienced something that truly made us realise the presence of The Magnificent. Whenever this happens i like to write it down and make shukr thus whenever i get the waswasaa i just think of these incidents and then i laugh at the ridiculousness of the waswasaa and it no longer affects me.
What worried me more is when i stopped getting any. Alhamdulillah i would not exchange my married life for anything but the sake of Allah :love: but as a wife trying to look after her husband and his family life can be hectic and sometimes i find myself so busy, rushing my prayers, trying to get everything done that i spend very little or no time contemplating. Slowly slowly i felt my imaan crwaling away but then ALHAMDULILLAH i made one tiny but sincere dua and Allah indeed the Most Merciful made me realise how simple it all was. Whatever you do/experience in life whether it is cooking or cleaning or ironing just make rememberance. Make dhikr and you will immediately feel the ease, the barakah in time, the sweetness of imaan again :) Allah is so Forgiving and Merciful i always feel so unworthy :crying2: SubhanAllah!
May Allah Azzawajal increase you in taqwa, imaaan and piety from your trials and protect you from the fitnah therein. :)
Al-ghurabah
06-02-07, 09:36 AM
salam.. good thing is you came through the test..
remember allah said to us he will tests us with our health,welath,family, so you were being tested regarding your health.. alot of people start to waiver and think why must it be me.. what did i do.. why would alla punish me ..
all these questions come into the mind.. you feel futsrated and annoyed as to why it must be you that is in the bad situation.. and start to be shakey in taqwa..
but allahmdulillah you have come through the test during the painfull times and your imaan stood striong and you did not give up..
allah tests those he loves the most..
so beh apy.. not sad..
also the shaytan is closer to the one than the two..
dont be alone you will only get whispers happens to all of us..
may allah guide us all and make us strong in our imaan and have tawakll during tough times
Wa Alaikumassalam sis Quest
(I like your username, reminds me of the hobbit for some reason :D )
Anyhoo back to topic, try not to stress so much over it and see it like this. The closer a believer gets to Allah Azawajal the stronger the whispers of Shaytaan become.
[B]Do the people think that they will be left to say: "We believe", and they shall not be tried?
(29 : 2).
Tiny, words cant describe how ur post made feel relief as i read it, may allah make u feel 10 fold and more of that relief in yowmal qiyama uktii on a day when we will all be judged.
i fear this day sis, yet i hope to meet Allah, but that day i fear my reckoning
i have a request if u can assist me sis, u know the hadith abt the 70'000 ppl who enter paradise thru the back door without reckoning? have u read anything regarding their characteristics? i know they have tawakal 2nd to non alhamdulilaah my tawakal is good, with Allah i have no doubts when i relie upon him in a matter, however other than this have u come across any?
what u said regarding marriage and how happy u are made me think, maybe i should get married? it aint that simple tho, i was going to 2 months ago, but realised towards the end he wasnt a stranger.i want a brother who is a stranger (among the ghuruba) our paths have not crossed yet. Inshahallah when Allah wills. i think there are certain tests i have to pass b4 i deserve a bro like that.
thanks for ur advice, do u think whats happening to me in general is a test? (not referring to the jesus issue but the other things i mentioned in my thread) like the repenting issue. i get 2 of the conditions right but my repentence is rejected because the 3rd (resolve to abstain from the sins) makes me automatically or after a bit remember the pleasure in the sin till i become pre-occupied with it.
what do u think of this?
has it happened to u? and if yes what did u do abt it?
sis, just so you know, that link i gave you isnt only about depression. has lotsa great stuff, special duas and advice to handle hardships..etc. i think its a nice site for all muslims to visit, inshaa Allah.
indeed sis, i read the sermon of abdullah ibn mas'ud, funny how his sermon was there he is the sahabi i aspire to be like him and ibn umar.
when it comes 2 understanding the diin and following the sunnah of the prophet scw, j'khayr again sis
Jesus Pbuh was praying to almighty Allah swt like every rightoeus human ...right .
right
Go to a dentist at once.
Pain affects people and the way they think in strange ways. Once the toothache has been treated you will be able to think more clearly and calmly and decide for yourself, but don't do anything until you've done that.
i sorted this out ages ago alhamdulilaah thanks for ur advice all the same, there was nothing to decide, i didnt for one second think jesus was god, i had whispers which i defintely didnt believe in alhamdulilaah.
salam.. good thing is you came through the test..
remember allah said to us he will tests us with our health,welath,family, so you were being tested regarding your health..
w/salam i never looked at it like that, tho i knew that Allah does this, at the time i was in to much pain to remember this.
alot of people start to waiver and think why must it be me.. what did i do.. why would alla punish me ..
all these questions come into the mind.. you feel futsrated and annoyed as to why it must be you that is in the bad situation.. and start to be shakey in taqwa..
alhamdulilaah i didnt have these thoughts 'why me' i have concrete belief in qadr, my frustration was more along the lines of 'make it stop' i cant handle it. i knew only Allah had the power to make everything rite all he had to say was kun faya kun, but when it didnt happen and my pain was increased, i remember blaming my deeds for the delay. (hence myself) i never for one second thought Allah was being unjust to me, alhamdulilaah i wouldnt forgive myself if i did.
but allahmdulillah you have come through the test during the painfull times and your imaan stood striong and you did not give up..
allah tests those he loves the most..
alhamdulilaah, what ever good we do is from him, I hope Allah does love us all, i love him yes, proving it will be the biggest struggle of my life tho, the thought of attempting to, makes me presume failure and so i lag behind, preparing, my fear is i dont wanna die preparing, every day is another borrowed day. shaytan is having a field day because this is the net he has over me rite now. Allah is amazing because he puts me 1 step ahead of shaytan always, i know what his doing to me how he plots and what methods he wishes to use. i just feel weak in protecting myself. but i already have the medicine. alhamdulilaah. i studied my self bro evaluated everything.
this is the test to see what i do next. may allah make us succeed in our battles against desire.
..
also the shaytan is closer to the one than the two..
dont be alone you will only get whispers happens to all of us..
may allah guide us all and make us strong in our imaan and have tawakll during tough times
amin barakallahu feek
*~IslamRulez~*
06-02-07, 10:15 AM
do u think i looked for thoughts of comfort and jesus was the one i found?
when it all happened, it happened randomly. i never had an explanation for that. i just thought it was because not long b4 i was talking 2 christians and reading their storys on how jesus healed them
as salamu alaikum,
Personally, I do not believe it is wise to voice such thoughts and the struggle with such experiences if you've already over-came it...unless you're on the verge of loosing your faith and seriously need help. Although, it's Shaytan who whispers such thoughts but he does not know how it's affecting you until you say it yourself or show it in your actions and because of it, it's better if you hide your weakness from him so that he does not take an advantage of it and prey upon your weakness, inshaAllah.
As for the Jesus (as) healing Christians, you should've reminded yourself that he only healed them by the will of Allah (swt) and he could not have done it without Allah's help. But, if the discussion you had with them was about the present healing when they called upon Jesus (as) then it's nothing but a trick from Shaytan to lead them further astray.
Sister, I suggest you refrain from reading materials and/or discussions that does not help you strengthen your imaan and may put your faith in jeapardy when you're feeling weak.
May Allah (swt) protect us from the whispers of Shaytan, ameen.
wassalam
$HugoBoss$
06-02-07, 10:22 AM
I'm glad your feeling better now sis but you should really be taking better care of your teeth now :D
Was it a test for you no doubht and i think some peeps have posted some pretty good stuff regarding that so i won't go into detail but i do want to remind you of a historical islamic event.
Eid ul Adha (10 Dhul-Hijja)
The Festival of sacrifice which marks the end of the Hajj or holy pilgrimage, which is one of the 5 pillars of Islam, however it is celebrated by all Muslims, not just those who are on the pilgrimage.
The festival remembers the prophet Ibrahim’s willingness to sacrifice his son when God ordered him to. God appeared in a dream to Ibrahim and told him to sacrifice his son Isma’il. Ibrahim and Isma’il set off to Mina for the sacrifice. As they went, the devil attempted to persuade Ibrahim to disobey God and not to sacrifice his beloved son. Ibrahim drove the devil away. As Ibrahim prepared to kill his son God stopped him and gave him a sheep to sacrifice instead. Ibrahim’s complete submission to the will of God is celebrated by Muslims each year.
This is probably one of the greatest examples in islamic history of the devil trying to mislead prophet Ibrahim's(Pbuh) by whispering in his ear to disobey allah's command, the devil was making him think twice afterall he loved his son very dearly but nobody knows exactly what the devil was whispering to him but we can assume something like:
Are you crazy???
Would you really kill your own son???? :rubeyes:
Prophet Ibrahim(Pbuh) hit the shaitan with a rock and he came back again and than he hit the shaitan two more times to run him off, afterall it's the devil's job to misguide you. Just imagine that was the prophet feeling the pressure and were just regular muslims practicing islam, prophet Ibrahim prevailed and you know how the rest goes.
Sis you passed the test with all the pain and agony you went through you've proved to allah that your heart is pure. :lailah:
You don't need to worry about feeling guilty of your sin again thats the devil trying to misguide because he failed the first time, your emaan is strong :up:
aww man..quest gonna mis u loads..ill pray for you inshaALlah..id give u advice but just stay strong to ure Allah and thats it..:there:
I think some people have missed the point to my thread
Tho i appreciate the effort in replys, i want to clarify something so inshallah u know what to advice me on.
alhamdulilaah some good replys from all of u, however some are irrelevant because u have misunderstood what it is am seeking advice for.
and that is my fault indeed, i apologise to make it clear.
This issue abt jesus, happened a long time ago. i knew it was test. alhamdulilaah i passed it. (even tho i knew Allah tests those he loves, the thought some how was blocked out, so barakallahu feek for all of u who have reminded me of this on this thread)
moving on from this, i know jesus could do nothing without Allahs will. likewise everyone else.
seems like am being told this as if i at the time of those satanic thoughts,believed in it slightly, this isnt the case, and ALLAH knows best. even during my test, i didnt fall for this one bit. cant believe i have to testify to this. cajiib. but clarity is better than confusion. i guess.
The reason i mentioned this satanic whisper in the first place is because it had one possitive effect on me, which was i realised how much i hated PAIN.
^ this was the relevance to the incident being mentioned in this thread.
i thought if u cant hack a toothache how will u hack hell fire?
I was seeking advice regarding will power. i wanted something to motivate me to stop procrastinating and preparing to change and well like nike to just do it.
am confused abt why i know da diin better than some yet am still not acting according 2 it, am confused abt why i fear allahs punishment yet am doing nothing 2 protect myself from it.
am not confused abt my belief in Allah, that is as clear as day
seems like sis tahiya understood from the outset because the 1st link she gave answered many things. the questioner in that link knows what am talking abt when he says...
"I have tried to repent more than once and every time I return to the same sins,I have defeated Satan in many rounds, but he defeated me in more battles
My will has weakened to a level that nobody can imagine after I used to have strength in performance and the ability to change my way of life, I have become a person who does not feel the pleasure of life even though I still maintain my soul
"
etc etc etc
the difference between me and the above person is he is looking for the answer regarding how he can be rescued from his situation, i already alhamdulilaah know the answer. am asking for advice which will inshahallah open my eyes and give me the push i need to apply the medicine to cure my weaknesses.
I said i manage 2 perfect 2 of the conditions of repentence
sincerity & regret
i lack will power, when it comes 2 the 3rd (to resolve never 2 do the sin again) i find myself remembering the pleasure in the sins untill alas it pre-occupies me so i get discouraged to try. and end up putting it off.
this is why i said i fear am gonna die not meeting my goals. i dont want shaytan 2 win the last battle. this is why i mentioned that when people like me r mentioned in the quran allah says it is hoped that he would forgive them
the scholar said the danger in this is tho Allah hopes 2 forgive this person, this person may die without taking the neccessary steps 2 recieve Allahs forgiveness.
i know the isa thing was a test, just like shaytan tested nabi ya'qub
Allah knows i never believed in the whispers for even a second alhamdulilaah.
all i did was hear the whisper (not listen) i heard the whisper and sought refuge in Allah. why do i get the feeling some people think i was to blame for this particular whisper of shaytans? as if there is a reason behind it, like shaytan knew my belief in Allah was weak, and some how i was attached to jesus so used this against me? this aint true. i saw the errors in christianity when i had no iman, why would i have doubts abt allah giving credit to jesus in christianity? it makes no sense. so i hope that clear to anyone who derived that train of thought from my thread.
Shaytan tests us due to the circumstances that relate to us. i read somewhere and remember speaking 2 christians abt their belief in jesus healing ppl today (aint u ever seen those ppl who claim jesus healed them these ppl exist today)
shaytan knowing this issue related to me in that i spoke 2 these ppl, thought it would be wise to cast doubt into me using this circumstance.
there are other ways 1 can be tempted to commit shirk, however he uses the one which relates 2 u.
this relation doesnt mean u believed it already partialy so he just wanted 2 seal it off. it means there is knowledge u had (my conversation with xians) which he could play around.
this is why the prophet scw told us that iblees will make us ask who created so and so and so and so? and who created him untill u finaly ask who created allah?
the circumstances be it what u hear, what u watch etc gives shaytan an idea of what method to use.
understand this, so u know what the problem is, its good to know ur enemy, that way u know how to beat him, i am asking for advice (alhamdulilaah already got some good ones) that will motivate me to have the will and steadfastness to win this war against shaytan. i already have the weapons i need alhamdulilaah. but what is a sword in a weak hand? this is the case with me.
barakallahu feek all of u.
as salamu alaikum,
Personally, I do not believe it is wise to voice such thoughts and the struggle with such experiences if you've already over-came it...unless you're on the verge of loosing your faith and seriously need help.
w.salam
yup i agree, i think some ppl misunderstood why i narrated that issue, am not on the verge of loosing faith alhamdulilaah. read my above post to understand more
Although, it's Shaytan who whispers such thoughts but he does not know how it's affecting you until you say it yourself or show it in your actions and because of it, it's better if you hide your weakness from him so that he does not take an advantage of it and prey upon your weakness, inshaAllah.
thats true, thanks for the advice. but i doubt shaytan thinks this issue was a weakness. he thought it was a great opportunity to weaken me. theres a difference.
As for the Jesus (as) healing Christians, you should've reminded yourself that he only healed them by the will of Allah (swt) and he could not have done it without Allah's help. But, if the discussion you had with them was about the present healing when they called upon Jesus (as) then it's nothing but a trick from Shaytan to lead them further astray.
yes the discussion was abt the present healing , i did know jesus did everything by allahs will, and that they were led astray, it is shaytans trick, he used it on me, it didnt work, doesnt mean my belief in allah is any less concrete then the nite b4 it happened.
Sister, I suggest you refrain from reading materials and/or discussions that does not help you strengthen your imaan and may put your faith in jeapardy when you're feeling weak.
May Allah (swt) protect us from the whispers of Shaytan, ameen.
wassalam
agree, barakallahu feek.
for some reason just b4 i started practicing, i read something in the quran which shaytan tried 2 play up, alhamdulilaah with no iman i passed that test, instead of running with what i saw, i said Allah will make me understand.
my knowledge is limited, there is so much i can know and yet no more non the less that more still exists. and perhaps allah will give me that knowledge so i can understand this issue.
the amazing part was he did till i learnt it and even began to defend that very issue. my point isnt 2 brag bro forgive me if looks that way, the point is am never emotionaly influenced. i always decide using intelligence never emotions. in jahiliya and even more now after islam.
the same thing happened that nite with the tooth ache, tho in pain i was thinking clearly, the only interruptions were his whispers which didnt work.
people can be attacked when weak, when emotionaly and physically weak shaytan loves more.
alhamdulilaah thru Allahs mercy i have never let emotion dictate in place of reasoning.
I'm glad your feeling better now sis but you should really be taking better care of your teeth now :D
Was it a test for you no doubht and i think some peeps have posted some pretty good stuff regarding that so i won't go into detail but i do want to remind you of a historical islamic event.
Eid ul Adha (10 Dhul-Hijja)
The Festival of sacrifice which marks the end of the Hajj or holy pilgrimage, which is one of the 5 pillars of Islam, however it is celebrated by all Muslims, not just those who are on the pilgrimage.
The festival remembers the prophet Ibrahim’s willingness to sacrifice his son when God ordered him to. God appeared in a dream to Ibrahim and told him to sacrifice his son Isma’il. Ibrahim and Isma’il set off to Mina for the sacrifice. As they went, the devil attempted to persuade Ibrahim to disobey God and not to sacrifice his beloved son. Ibrahim drove the devil away. As Ibrahim prepared to kill his son God stopped him and gave him a sheep to sacrifice instead. Ibrahim’s complete submission to the will of God is celebrated by Muslims each year.
This is probably one of the greatest examples in islamic history of the devil trying to mislead prophet Ibrahim's(Pbuh) by whispering in his ear to disobey allah's command, the devil was making him think twice afterall he loved his son very dearly but nobody knows exactly what the devil was whispering to him but we can assume something like:
Are you crazy???
Would you really kill your own son???? :rubeyes:
Prophet Ibrahim(Pbuh) hit the shaitan with a rock and he came back again and than he hit the shaitan two more times to run him off, afterall it's the devil's job to misguide you. Just imagine that was the prophet feeling the pressure and were just regular muslims practicing islam, prophet Ibrahim prevailed and you know how the rest goes.
Sis you passed the test with all the pain and agony you went through you've proved to allah that your heart is pure. :lailah:
You don't need to worry about feeling guilty of your sin again thats the devil trying to misguide because he failed the first time, your emaan is strong :up:
looool that was one great summary of the sacrifice event.
thanks bro, u didnt miss the point 2 my thread lol as i read i kinda thought u did, but the ending clarifies u didnt. my emaan isnt strong,
infact its weak, i know what to do tho, a lot of people helped here.
some could have helped more if they knew my worry wasnt abt the satanic thought that happened long ago. but rather my weakness in will power to struggle against my nafs. its my fault, i could have been clearer.
lol@look after teeth, it was one tooth and its gone.:rolleyes:
TinyTerror
06-02-07, 11:23 AM
Tiny, words cant describe how ur post made feel relief as i read it, may allah make u feel 10 fold and more of that relief in yowmal qiyama uktii on a day when we will all be judged.JazakAllahu Khairan sis. Much appreciated dua. Ameen Thumma Ameen.
i fear this day sis, yet i hope to meet Allah, but that day i fear my reckoning. i have a request if u can assist me sis, u know the hadith abt the 70'000 ppl who enter paradise thru the back door without reckoning? have u read anything regarding their characteristics? i know they have tawakal 2nd to non alhamdulilaah my tawakal is good, with Allah i have no doubts when i relie upon him in a matter, however other than this have u come across any?SubhanAllah that is pretty much how i feel all the time. From what i aware this particular hadith enforces the characteristic of tawakkul only and no other specifically because tawakkul is one of the core foundations of a pious character. Other hadith mention characteristics such as respect for elders, love for youngers, hayaaa, gentleness etc however if one has true tawakkul then submission is complete and all other characteristics follow and that is the beauty and truth of deen-Al-islam :)
what u said regarding marriage and how happy u are made me think, maybe i should get married? it aint that simple tho, i was going to 2 months ago, but realised towards the end he wasnt a stranger.i want a brother who is a stranger (among the ghuruba) our paths have not crossed yet. Inshahallah when Allah wills. i think there are certain tests i have to pass b4 i deserve a bro like that.Mariage is a blessing Alhmadulillah but that does not mean it is not a test. Although Alhamdulillah by His grace and mercy i already felt much love for my husband by even the second day there were times at the beginning i felt out of my depth and felt we had completely different perceptions of life. I'm pretty sure my hubby felt the same but we have to keep striving and like you said have Tawakkul. Allah Azzawajal does not bring two people together and bless them with marriage without a plan as He Almigthy is the best of planners. If we only remembered this we would be have a lot more sabr and the trials in life would only serve as nourishment to the soul inshAllah.
:) Everything is a test from Allah Tala thus everything has within it a blessing thought we may not perceive. We just have to acknowledge this. When a wife loses a good and pious husband the grief is said to be enormous, unimaginable, unbearable. Yet the example of Umm salamah when she lost hers should be a lesson to us all. For, by His Grace and Mercy, through the loss of her husband and her complete acceptance and submission to the will of Allah Tala under this heavy trial her status was raised to that of Umm-Al-Mu'mineeen, the wife of our beloved prophet peace and blessings be upon him. SubhanAllah who whould have thought such blessing lay within this trial! Indeed He is Ar Rahmaanir Raheeem.
UmmSalamah (http://www.central-mosque.com/biographies/ummsalamah.htm)
Allah Azzawajal tells us that this world is a test and indeed only the hereafter is the true and lasting abode. Thus by showing sabr in every affliction and trial we can prove our submission to Him Almighty and earn His grace and Mercy inshAllah!
As long as you are sincere, however weak your imaan or resolve your repentace will not be rejected because Allah Azzawajal has said
And your Lord says: "Call on Me; I will answer your (prayer):
(40:60)
It's human nature to err thus Allah Tala has given us the power of repentance and loves us to use it :)
"Truly, Allah loves those who repent, and He loves those who cleanse themselves."
[Al-Baqarah 2:222].
"O Allah! Make me among those who, when they commit an act of virtue, feel good, and when they commit a mistake, they seek forgiveness."
Imam Ibn ul Jawzee Translated from Sayd ul-Khatir says about the true believer,
"The believer is not one who performs the ordained religious duties superficially and avoids what is forbidden only, but he is one whose faith is absolute, with no objection whatsoever arising in his heart and no obsession dwelling in his soul.
The more hardships he faces, the more his faith grows and the more his submission strengthens. He could pray and not see a trace of an answer to his prayers, yet he does not change because he knows that he is owned by One who deals with him in whatever way He chooses. For if an objection was to arise in his heart, he then forsakes the role of the slave and takes on the role of a protester such as that of Iblees (the devil).
A strong faith unveils itself in strong hardships. A believer sees in Yahya, son of Zakariyya, a fine example. He was killed by a tyrant who confronted him, yet He (subhanahu wa ta`ala), who made him a prophet, did not intervene nor defend him. Similarly all the tyranny that befell the prophets and the believers was not held back from them.
If one goes to think that Divinity cannot answer for them then one is an unbeliever. However if one believes that Divinity can answer for them but chooses not to, and that God (subhanahu wa ta`ala) can make the believers go hungry while infidels are full and inflict the believers with sickness and grant the infidels health, then one is only left with submission to the Owner even when tormented or scorched.
Ya'qoob cried for eighty years when Yusuf son of Ya'qoob (peace be upon him) was gone, he never gave up; all he said when his other son was gone too is "May God bring all of them back to me".
[I]Moses (peace be upon him) prayed against Pharaoh, who killed children and crucified magicians and cut their hands, for 40 years before he was answered."
So make lots of of dua and have sabr sister. Never give up trust however confused you may feel because what is destined to cross your path nobody can stop it and only our submission to this will help us diffrentiate the good within it from the fitnah that always exists.
And Allah Tala knows best.:) Forgive me for any wrong i may have committed against you in writing this.
JazakAllahu Khairan sis. Much appreciated dua. Ameen Thumma Ameen.
SubhanAllah that is pretty much how i feel all the time. From what i aware this particular hadith enforces the characteristic of tawakkul only and no other specifically because tawakkul is one of the core foundations of a pious character. Other hadith mention characteristics such as respect for elders, love for youngers, hayaaa, gentleness etc however if one has true tawakkul then submission is complete and all other characteristics follow and that is the beauty and truth of deen-Al-islam :)
Mariage is a blessing Alhmadulillah but that does not mean it is not a test. Although Alhamdulillah by His grace and mercy i already felt much love for my husband by even the second day there were times at the beginning i felt out of my depth and felt we had completely different perceptions of life. I'm pretty sure my hubby felt the same but we have to keep striving and like you said have Tawakkul. Allah Azzawajal does not bring two people together and bless them with marriage without a plan as He Almigthy is the best of planners. If we only remembered this we would be have a lot more sabr and the trials in life would only serve as nourishment to the soul inshAllah.
:) Everything is a test from Allah Tala thus everything has within it a blessing thought we may not perceive. We just have to acknowledge this. When a wife loses a good and pious husband the grief is said to be enormous, unimaginable, unbearable. Yet the example of Umm salamah when she lost hers should be a lesson to us all. For, by His Grace and Mercy, through the loss of her husband and her complete acceptance and submission to the will of Allah Tala under this heavy trial her status was raised to that of Umm-Al-Mu'mineeen, the wife of our beloved prophet peace and blessings be upon him. SubhanAllah who whould have thought such blessing lay within this trial! Indeed He is Ar Rahmaanir Raheeem.
UmmSalamah (http://www.central-mosque.com/biographies/ummsalamah.htm)
Allah Azzawajal tells us that this world is a test and indeed only the hereafter is the true and lasting abode. Thus by showing sabr in every affliction and trial we can prove our submission to Him Almighty and earn His grace and Mercy inshAllah!
As long as you are sincere, however weak your imaan or resolve your repentace will not be rejected because Allah Azzawajal has said
And your Lord says: "Call on Me; I will answer your (prayer):
(40:60)
It's human nature to err thus Allah Tala has given us the power of repentance and loves us to use it :)
"Truly, Allah loves those who repent, and He loves those who cleanse themselves."
[Al-Baqarah 2:222].
"O Allah! Make me among those who, when they commit an act of virtue, feel good, and when they commit a mistake, they seek forgiveness."
Imam Ibn ul Jawzee Translated from Sayd ul-Khatir says about the true believer,
"The believer is not one who performs the ordained religious duties superficially and avoids what is forbidden only, but he is one whose faith is absolute, with no objection whatsoever arising in his heart and no obsession dwelling in his soul.
The more hardships he faces, the more his faith grows and the more his submission strengthens. He could pray and not see a trace of an answer to his prayers, yet he does not change because he knows that he is owned by One who deals with him in whatever way He chooses. For if an objection was to arise in his heart, he then forsakes the role of the slave and takes on the role of a protester such as that of Iblees (the devil).
A strong faith unveils itself in strong hardships. A believer sees in Yahya, son of Zakariyya, a fine example. He was killed by a tyrant who confronted him, yet He (subhanahu wa ta`ala), who made him a prophet, did not intervene nor defend him. Similarly all the tyranny that befell the prophets and the believers was not held back from them.
If one goes to think that Divinity cannot answer for them then one is an unbeliever. However if one believes that Divinity can answer for them but chooses not to, and that God (subhanahu wa ta`ala) can make the believers go hungry while infidels are full and inflict the believers with sickness and grant the infidels health, then one is only left with submission to the Owner even when tormented or scorched.
Ya'qoob cried for eighty years when Yusuf son of Ya'qoob (peace be upon him) was gone, he never gave up; all he said when his other son was gone too is "May God bring all of them back to me".
[I]Moses (peace be upon him) prayed against Pharaoh, who killed children and crucified magicians and cut their hands, for 40 years before he was answered."
So make lots of of dua and have sabr sister. Never give up trust however confused you may feel because what is destined to cross your path nobody can stop it and only our submission to this will help us diffrentiate the good within it from the fitnah that always exists.
And Allah Tala knows best.:) Forgive me for any wrong i may have committed against you in writing this.
u havent wronged me sis, that was worth the read.
was it 80 years b4 ya'qub and yusuf were united?
i think confused is a good word. if i was truthfull 2 myself i would admit its complete stupidity which is making me lag behind in struggling against my nafs.
b'feek for the great post.
ghanamuslima
18-02-07, 11:29 PM
Ya ALLAH what a test, i do not have any real advice but i will remember you in my duas inshallah. and also remember Allah is the MOST MERCIFUL, the OFT FORGIVING, don't ever stop asking HIS forgiveness. and also remember HE tests those HE loves.
May ALLAH(SWT) shed HIS mercy on us all and forgive us our sins. AMEEN
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