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Ruqayyah
30-11-02, 03:06 AM
The crescent moon and star is an internationally-recognized symbol of the faith of Islam. The symbol is featured on the flags of several Muslim countries, and is even part of the official emblem for the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies. The Christians have the cross, the Jews have the star of David, and the Muslims have the crescent moon, right?
What is the history behind the crescent moon symbol? What does it symbolize or mean? How and when did it become associated with the faith of Islam? Is it a valid symbol for the faith?
The crescent moon and star symbol actually pre-dates Islam by several thousand years. Information on the origins of the symbol are difficult to ascertain, but most sources agree that these ancient celestial symbols were in use by the peoples of Central Asia and Siberia in their worship of sun, moon, and sky gods. There are also reports that the crescent moon and star were used to represent the Carthaginian goddess Tanit or the Greek goddess Diana.
The city of Byzantium (later known as Constantinople and Istanbul) adopted the crescent moon symbol. According to some reports, they chose it in honor of the goddess Diana. Others indicate that it dates back to a battle in which the Romans defeated the Goths on the first day of a lunar month. In any event, the crescent moon was featured on the city's flag even before the birth of Christ.
The early Muslim community did not really have a symbol. During the time of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), Islamic armies and caravans flew simple solid-colored flags (generally black, green, or white) for identification purposes. In later generations, the Muslim leaders continued to use a simple black, white, or green flag with no markings, writing, or symbolism on it.

It wasn't until the Ottoman Empire that the crescent moon and star became affiliated with the Muslim world. When the Turks conquered Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453, they adopted the city's existing flag and symbol. Legend holds that the founder of the Ottoman Empire, Osman, had a dream in which the crescent moon stretched from one end of the earth to the other. Taking this as a good omen, he chose to keep the crescent and make it the symbol of his dynasty. There is speculation that the five points on the star represent the five pillars of Islam, but this is pure conjecture. The five points were not standard on the Ottoman flags, and as you will see on the following page, it is still not standard on flags used in the Muslim world today.
For hundreds of years, the Ottoman Empire ruled over the Muslim world. After centuries of battle with Christian Europe, it is understandable how the symbols of this empire became linked in people's minds with the faith of Islam as a whole.
Based on this history, many Muslims reject using the crescent moon as a symbol of Islam. The faith of Islam has historically had no symbol, and many refuse to accept what is essentially an ancient pagan icon. It is certainly not in uniform use among Muslims.

kingbeeb
30-11-02, 02:55 PM
oh not the moon god theroy, many islam haters claim that pre mohammad pbuh times the arabs use to pray to a moon god. Anyway 1. there is no proof that they used the symbol at all
2. the theory was used by christains to discreadit islam as a follown on form christainity and to confuse new muslims converts


The reason why it is used is because of ramadhan, you know the moon sightings and all that. Seeing that ramadhan the month is more than just fasting, its the time when the quran was revelied to the prophet pbuh, and it is when muslims have had their greatest victories - battle of Budar, saladins victory in palistine. It is the holiest time, that is why muslims use the symbol, and that is why no muslim cares what dum assed "historians" say trying cause confusion in the minds of muslims!

Saleh Ali
30-11-02, 06:04 PM
Ve Selatu Vu Selam Ela Sayyadina Muhammat Ashrafil Kelkil Azim.


The Moon is the Symbol of Islam becouse of that The Moon have Allays Inspired the Human mentalaty, So muslims regard the Crecent Moon as the Sign of the Might of Allah, The Strength and the Eternalaty of Allah,

kingbeeb
30-11-02, 06:22 PM
you have an "L" missing in you signiture, can you guess where it is?

Ruqayyah
30-11-02, 07:51 PM
As salaamu alaikum

I'll have to dig up the source of this article. It was written by a Muslim.
Basically I had been debating with a Christian regarding many of their practices which have deep rooted pagan origins. This person came to a dead end in the discussions and threw the crescent moon thing back at me. I had no idea where it came from. I had a debate with my husband over it and eventually after some investigation found out for myself.
My reason for posting this here is so that Muslims may know their deen.
Whilst the Turks had their reasons for adopting it, which may have nothing to do with any pagan connections (astaghfirullah), we must be aware it is not a sunnah, but an addition, along with Eid cards and the like.
These things themselves may not be entirely bad, but we must all be aware of "why" we do this or that, and not blindly follow.

Your sister in Islam, Rukaya

Ruqayyah
30-11-02, 08:08 PM
The Crescent and Star have no resemblance or significance and as such are not sacred symbols of Islam. The companions (Radhiyallaahu Ánhum) asked the Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) about the reality of the Hilaal (crescent), Allah Taăla revealed the verse, 'Say, the Hilaal is a means of calculating time for people.' It is perhaps for this (and maybe other reasons) that the crescent took some distinctive role in the character of symbolising identification for Muslims.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.

kingbeeb
30-11-02, 09:17 PM
yeh ofcource, the flag of the prophet pbuh was that like of saudi arabia but in different colours. But im saying it is ramadhan is why it was adopted(maybe an early form of propaganda against the christain cross, or the fact that many people couldnt read and so a symbol would be easy for them to understand), not cos of pagen or what ever traditions.

Umar_al_ansari
30-11-02, 10:54 PM
I'm sorry to say my symbol is different, my flag my banner is

"la ilaha ill allah, muhammadin (SAW) rasul Allah"

Is there any hadith that speaks about the crescent and the star.

kingbeeb
01-12-02, 07:44 PM
yeh but in those days people who could not read, would not know what that said! Today most muslims see la ilaha ill allah, muhammadin (SAW) rasul Allah" as a symbol and those who can read and cant recognise it. But in those days it was new, and people who could not read needed sumit more tangiable. i supose we dont need the creasent moon anymore.

But on the pakistani flag, most probly the most famious flag with that symbol, the creasent moon and star dont even represent islam they represent light and progress i think? the green is what represents islam.

I think la ilaha ill allah, muhammadin (SAW) rasul Allah should be on the pakstani flag

Saleh Ali
02-12-02, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by rukaya
The Crescent and Star have no resemblance or significance and as such are not sacred symbols of Islam. The companions (Radhiyallaahu Ánhum) asked the Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) about the reality of the Hilaal (crescent), Allah Taăla revealed the verse, 'Say, the Hilaal is a means of calculating time for people.' It is perhaps for this (and maybe other reasons) that the crescent took some distinctive role in the character of symbolising identification for Muslims.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.


I can qoute thousands of Mufti sayings wich contradict your qoute

Ruqayyah
02-12-02, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by Saleh Ali
I can qoute thousands of Mufti sayings wich contradict your qoute

As salaamu alaikum,

That's a slight exaggeration Akhi ;)

For my own verification, please do show me a Mufti who says the crescent moon and star symbol is a sunnat and/or significant to Islam.

JazakAllah hu Khairun.

Sister in Islam, Rukaya

AbuMubarak
02-12-02, 06:59 PM
so to adhere to quran and sunnah is salafi wahhabi

and to add whatever makes you feel good makes you what? a modern muslim?

and what about the aspect of holding on to this deen and not deviating? what exactly are deviations to these non-wahhabis?

crescents/stars are ok?

birthdays/mawlid is ok?

what is not accepted to some of these people?

TheJackal
24-01-03, 05:30 PM
I disagree, the symbol of the Cresent and Star is more significant now then anyone previously realised! When it was adopted by the Usmani Khilafah is was primarily due to the fact that they needed a symbol (they also used different number of cresents and stars on a green background to represent different formations in the Army, much like the Roman legions using standard bearers) but the other was the PROGRESS of SCIENCE and ISLAM under the Khilafah and the Muslim obbsession with the Heavens!

This is primary reason, not because some moon god or rubbish like that because that would contradict the very teachings of islam! it is because Mankind has been fasinated with the Stars and the Heavens!

Now that we are in the Digital age the next "age" will be that of Space exlporation and colonisation Inshallah, so what symbol could be better?

But at the end of the day the origional flag of Islam was Black with white Kalima and also the white flag with black kalima. The sword was inserted during a Jihad (like the saudi one). So although theres nothing wrong with the symbol we do not have to use this symbol by Quran/Sunnah.

Ruqayyah
24-01-03, 06:04 PM
As salaamu alaikum Akhi

I don't think anyone desputes the fact that the Ottomons had good intentions in chosing and using this symbol which had nothing to do with the pagan gods, unlike Christians who adopted pagan symbols and practices to win pagan converts. It doesn't make the ottomans pagan because they used it astaghfirullah, but it may also be viewed as an inovation, just as the fish, easter egg, cross etc are in Christianity,
If the Muslims in the prophet's time used a solid-coloured flag, so should we. We should not want to mimick kafir practices in any way, even with good intention.
The point that is being made is that we should stick to what out Prophet(saw) has taught us.
Our religion was completed and perfected.