On Terrorism Shaykh Abdaqadir as sufi

[CELT ISLAM]

An interview with Shaykh Dr. Abdalqadir as-Sufi


http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-2465570934613945222&q=on+terrorism+as+sufi

[CELT ISLAM]

An interview with Shaykh Dr. Abdalqadir as-Sufi


http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-2465570934613945222&q=on+terrorism+as+sufi



Asalaamualaykum ,

Here is the second part to the talk given by shaykh dr abdal qadir about terrorism.

ma salaam.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7726265282139078595&q=on+terrorism+as+sufi

[-Jibril-]

:zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

[CELT ISLAM]

:zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

Asalaamualaykum ,

Wonderfull and enlightening intellectual response i must say :up:

Maybe if one had the capacity for knowledge that widens ones scope one wouldent have to resolve to a meaningless response.
Try and watch them both and see what you may learn?
ma salaam.

[Abu Hurairah]

Please accept my wonderful enlightening intellectual reponse

@):confused::eek::rubeyes::nuts::eek3::smack: :nervous::2hammers::nono::scratch:

The deeply inspired meaningful knowledge can be gathered from all the feelings I encountered step by step due these vids.

[CELT ISLAM]

Please accept my wonderful enlightening intellectual reponse

@):confused::eek::rubeyes::nuts::eek3::smack: :nervous::2hammers::nono::scratch:

The deeply inspired meaningful knowledge can be gathered from all the feelings I encountered step by step due these vids.


Asalaamualaykum ,

Wonderfull and enlightening intellectual response i must say :up:

Maybe if one had the capacity for knowledge that widens ones scope one wouldent have to resolve to a meaningless response.

Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said,

"By the One in whose hand my soul is, you will not enter the Garden until you submit. You will not submit until you love one another. Extend the greeting to one another and you will love one another. Beware of hatred, for it is the razor. I do not tell you that it shaves the hair, but it shaves away the deen."


[ "Al-Adab al-Mufrad " IMAM BUKHARI [ R.A. ]

[Abu Hurairah]

Asalaamualaykum ,

Wonderfull and enlightening intellectual response i must say :up:

Maybe if one had the capacity for knowledge that widens ones scope one wouldent have to resolve to a meaningless response.

Wa Alaikum wa Assalam,

You say that yet you give me a neg. rep, why so? What gives did you not like my wonderful enlightening intellectual reponse? :rubeyes:

Here, perhaps this will calm you down a little music maker:

:blobblue::wacko::eek::evilb::cool::ragepc::55: :banghead::vomit:

As you can tell I encountered mixed emotions waitching your vids.
(P.S. Don't neg. rep. me again dude. *Rolls :rolleyes: Eyes*)

[CELT ISLAM]

Wa Alaikum wa Assalam,

You say that yet you give me a neg. rep, why so? What gives did you not like my wonderful enlightening intellectual reponse? :rubeyes:

Here, perhaps this will calm you down a little music maker:

:blobblue::wacko::eek::evilb::cool::ragepc::55: :banghead::vomit:

As you can tell I encountered mixed emotions waitching your vids.
(P.S. Don't neg. rep. me again dude. *Rolls :rolleyes: Eyes*)


Asalaamualaykum ,

Not only did one not see the whole talks on movies but one cannot even give an intellectual response to the whole subject matter!

You response is that of a child , and iam seriously embarassed for you, what a pathetic excuse of a response that you do give, thats because you lack that basic intellectual insight into the whole matter of affairs that is raised within the talks.

This does not surprise me at all that you use such childish ways to try and attempt to ridicule that which you cannot understand.

ma salaam.


Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said,


"By the One in whose hand my soul is, you will not enter the Garden until you submit. You will not submit until you love one another. Extend the greeting to one another and you will love one another. Beware of hatred, for it is the razor. I do not tell you that it shaves the hair, but it shaves away the deen."



[ "Al-Adab al-Mufrad " IMAM BUKHARI [ R.A. ]

[SeanBen]

Some think that sufism is part of satanism..an Ideology that is forged to destroy Islam from within.

listen to this, although it has christian bent it talks about sufism as a part of satanism/illuminati to destroy Islam.
http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-7472916155118781394

[-Jibril-]

I believe speeches like these belong in the dustbins.

And no, I will not even bother to give you the time and energy to have an intellectual debate on such rubbish.

[Abu Hurairah]

Asalaamualaykum ,

Not only did one not see the whole talks on movies but one cannot even give an intellectual response to the whole subject matter!

You response is that of a child , and iam seriously embarassed for you, what a pathetic excuse of a response that you do give, thats because you lack that basic intellectual insight into the whole matter of affairs that is raised within the talks.

This does not surprise me at all that you use such childish ways to try and attempt to ridicule that which you cannot understand.

ma salaam.
Wa Alaikum wa Assalam,

I was rather lost for words to decribe the rubbish- no words exist to describe the gutter trash so thought it best to leave the smileys to say it all. :rubeyes:

Music maker, did you not like my wonderful enlightening intellectual reponse? :( Why so? :crying:

Here, perhaps this give you more insight:

:afro::fairy::1peace::freedom::S:eek3::smack: :aku_aameen::torture:

You may be able to gather it was quite an emotional rollercoaster.

[CELT ISLAM]

Asalaamualaykum ,

Looks like not only when challenged with a good argument but when faced with a serious intellectual debate people become nasty with abuse due to the lack of intellect and spiritual depth.

I feel sorry for you all that you cannot understand a basic intellectual talk really! it saddens me that due to the lack of real knowledge not being taught that you cannot even make a serious argument to what you do not agree with!.

ma salaam

'Whoso Knoweth Himself , knows his lord ', [ Prophet Muhammad {saw} ]
by Shaykh Muhyiddin Ibn `Arabi:


In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate,
and Him we ask for aid:

Praise be to God [ Allah, may His Majesty be exalted ] before whose oneness there was not a before, unless the Before were He, and after whose singleness there is not an after, except the After be He. He is, and there is with Him no after nor before, nor above nor below, nor far nor near, nor union nor division, nor how nor where nor when, nor times nor moment nor age, nor being nor place. And He is now as He was. He is the One without oneness, and the Single without singleness. He is not composed of name and named, for His name is He and His named is He.
So there is no name other than He, nor named. And so He is the Name and the Named. He is the First without firstness, and the Last without lastness. He is the Outward without outwardness, and the Inward without inwardness. I mean that He is the very existence of the First and the very existence of the Last, and the very existence of the Outward and the very existence of the Inward. So that there is no first nor last, nor outward nor inward, except Him, without these becoming Him or His becoming them.

Understand, therefore, in order that you may not fall into the error of the Hululis: He is not in a thing nor a thing in Him, whether entering in or proceeding forth. It is necessary that you know Him after this fashion, not by knowledge (`ilm), nor by intellect, nor by understanding, nor by imagination, nor by sense, nor by the outward eye, nor by the inward eye, nor by perception. 'There' does not see Him, save Himself; nor perceive Him, save Himself. By Himself He sees Himself, and by Himself He knows Himself. None sees Him other than He, and none perceives Him other than He. His Veil is (only a part of) His oneness; nothing veils other than He. His veil is (only) the concealment of His existence in His oneness, without any quality. None sees Him other than He - no sent prophet, nor saint made perfect, nor angel brought nigh knows Him. His Prophet is He, and His sending is He, and His word is He. He sent Himself with Himself to Himself. There was no mediator nor any means other than He.

"Whoso Knoweth Himself..." Muhyiddin Ibn `Arabi The Treatise on Being of Ibn `Arabi, also known as the Treatise on Unity.

[Abu Hurairah]

Asalaamualaykum ,

Looks like not only when challenged with a good argument but when faced with a serious intellectual debate people become nasty with abuse due to the lack of intellect and spiritual depth.

I feel sorry for you all that you cannot understand a basic intellectual talk really! it saddens me that due to the lack of real knowledge not being taught that you cannot even make a serious argument to what you do not agree with!.

ma salaam
Assalamu Alaikum,

Well I did try to be intellectual and articulate :(, you said it was wonderful in post # , than went and neg. repped me. :rubeyes:

Alright, just for you I'll try again Celt- here goes nothing:


:badguy::crying2::dogrun::bang::boom::fastcar: :love::buttkick::icon_offtopic:

Its has been an emotional draining journey, I'm shattered.

[CELT ISLAM]

Its has been an emotionally draining journey, I'm shattered.


Asalaamualaykum ,

Here is some basic knowledge that i feel many people on this board need to read before making statments and judgements about things they do not know.


<B><BIG><BIG>The Three Dimensions of Islam</BIG></BIG></B>


It is reported from 'Umar ibn al-Khattab:


"One day while we were sitting with the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, there appeared before us a man whose clothes were exceedingly white and whose hair was exceedingly black; no signs of journeying were to be seen on him and none of us knew him.

He walked up and sat down by the Prophet. Resting his knees against his and the palms of his hands on his thighs, he said, 'O Muhammad, tell me about Islam.' The Messenger of Allah said, "Islam is to testify that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, to perform the prayers, to pay the zakat, to fast in Ramadan, and to make the pilgrimage to the House if you are able to do so." He said, 'You have spoken the truth,' and we were amazed at him asking him and saying that he had spoken the truth. He said, 'Then tell me about Iman (faith).' He said, 'It is to believe in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day, and to believe in the decree both of good and evil.' He said, 'You have spoken the truth.' He said, 'Then tell me about Ihsan.' He said, 'it is to worship Allah as though you are seeing Him. Even though you do not see Him, He sees you.'"
In the end the Prophet informed them that it was Jibril (Gabriel) who had come to teach them their religion (deen).



<B><BIG>The Five Pillars of Islam:</BIG></B>

The outward form


Shahada: Affirmation of the unity of Allah and the prophethood of Muhammad

Salat: Five Prayers a day

Zakat: 2 1/2% wealth Tax

Fasting: The month of Ramadan from dawn to sunset

The Hajj: Pilgrimage to Makka. Once in a lifetime if one is physically and financially able to do so.



<B><BIG>The Six Fundamentals of Iman </BIG></B>
<B><BIG>(Faith):</BIG></B>


In addition to belief in Allah, it provides the Muslim with a blueprint for a view of a multi-dimensional universe which includes both the spiritual and physical worlds. It is more than passive acceptance, it is active affirmation. The basic Arabic root of iman means rest of mind and security from fear. The six fundamentals of Iman are faith in:


Allah: Who is not Connected to Events; Existing Before and After Time, Self-Subsisting, One.

The Angels: Made of light, Neither male nor female. They do not disobey God and do not require sustenance.

The Divine Books: Torah, Gospel, Psalms, Scrolls of Abraham, Qur'an, etc.

The Messengers of Allah: Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, David, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, etc.

The Last Day: When all the dead will be raised from their graves. It is the Day of Judgement when people will either be sent to the Garden or the Fire for all eternity.

The Decree of both good and evil: The destinies of all things are in God's hand and occur according to His decision. Nothing happens that He has not decreed.



<B><BIG>Ihsan:</BIG></B>

The inward path which amounts to recognition of what the self is, its position in the cosmos and how it can be purified.


The Stages of the Self:


An-Nafs al-'Amara: the insinuating self
The insinuating self which is wholly evil and totally under the control of passions and bent only on self- gratification. It is totally blind to any higher reality. "The lower self of man commands to evil acts." ( 12:53)

An-Nafs al-Lawwama:the self-reproaching self
The reproachful self which is indecisive in choosing between good and evil and is constantly embroiled in an inner struggle. It is unable to overcome the impulses of the lower self while it nonetheless recognises the higher one. "No, I swear by the self-reproaching self." (75:2)

An-Nafs al-Mulhama: the inspired self
The self which recognises its faults and strives to correct them. "By the self and what proportioned it and inspired it with depravity or godliness!" (91:7-8)

An-Nafs al-Mutma'inna: the self at peace
Finally there is the self at peace which is illuminated and acts according to the good and is therefore liberated "O self at peace, return to your Lord, well-pleased, well-pleasing. Enter among My servants. Enter My Garden." (89:27)

[Abu Mus'ab]

no one cares about as sufi, you can preach his works elsewhere as we're not interested in it.

[CELT ISLAM]

no one cares about as sufi, you can preach his works elsewhere as we're not interested in it.

Asalaamualaykum ,

Until you have seen the talk i suggest you stop embaressing ones self as its proving my point that there is a lack of intellectual knowledge and intellectual girth on this forum by people who shout the loudest!

ma salaam.


Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said,



"By the One in whose hand my soul is, you will not enter the Garden until you submit. You will not submit until you love one another. Extend the greeting to one another and you will love one another. Beware of hatred, for it is the razor. I do not tell you that it shaves the hair, but it shaves away the deen."




[ "Al-Adab al-Mufrad " IMAM BUKHARI [ R.A. ]


A Message to American Muslims by Shaykh Dr, Abdal Qadir as Sufi.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8838472442677884134&hl=en-GB

[Abu Mus'ab]

Didn't i tell you already? no one cares about him or what he has to say, so preach his stuff elsewhere.

[CELT ISLAM]

Didn't i tell you already? no one cares about him or what he has to say, so preach his stuff elsewhere.

Asalaamualaykum ,


I repeat!!!!

Until you have seen the talk i suggest you stop embaressing ones self as its proving my point that there is a lack of intellectual knowledge and intellectual girth on this forum by people who shout the loudest! like you!!

Stop embaressing yourself really , if you dont like something which you have no knowledge well that speaks for itself no?

Chill and take what ALLAH gives you in knowledge unless you are one of those that prefers ignorance to knowledge?



ma salaam

[Abu Mus'ab]

I repeat!!!!

Until you have seen the talk i suggest you stop embaressing ones self as its proving my point that there is a lack of intellectual knowledge and intellectual girth on this forum by people who shout the loudest! like you!!

Heh i'm not the one using a hundred and one exclamation marks, seems like you're the one who's 'shouting the loudest'

Chill and take what ALLAH gives you in knowledge unless you are one of those that prefers ignorance to knowledge?

me thinks you've got knowledge and deviance mixed up, i don't want your deviance.

[CELT ISLAM]

Heh i'm not the one using a hundred and one exclamation marks, seems like you're the one who's 'shouting the loudest'



me thinks you've got knowledge and deviance mixed up, i don't want your deviance.

Asalaamualaykum ,

I repeat!!!!

Until you have seen the talk i suggest you stop embaressing ones self as its proving my point that there is a lack of intellectual knowledge and intellectual girth on this forum by people who shout the loudest! like you!!

Stop embaressing yourself really , if you dont like something which you have no knowledge well that speaks for itself no?

Chill and take what ALLAH gives you in knowledge unless you are one of those that prefers ignorance to knowledge?



ma salaam

[Abu Mus'ab]

Heh i was just saying today to refugee that when someone neg reps me i neg rep them back into oblivion, all it will take is 10 neg reps from me and you'll be saying hello to the minus rep again.

[CELT ISLAM]

Heh i was just saying today to refugee that when someone neg reps me i neg rep them back into oblivion, all it will take is 10 neg reps from me and you'll be saying hello to the minus rep again.


Asalaamualaykum ,

So its about rep now lol , you are truly pathetic and shows how much your intellect is based on lol

Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said,

"Truly, Allah does not remove Sacred Knowledge by taking it out of servants, but rather by taking back the souls of Islamic scholars [in death], until, when He has not left a single scholar, the people take the ignorant as leaders, who are asked for and who give Islamic legal opinion without knowledge, misguided and misguiding"

(Fath al-Bari, 1.194, hadith 100).


The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said,

"Truly, Allah does not look at your outward forms and wealth, but rather at your hearts and your works"

(Sahih Muslim, 4.1389: hadith 2564).

[Khaiber23]

CELT ISLAM, bro you shouldn't bother. It's like trying to talk to a brick wall. These people are beyond hope.

*Waits for an insult*

[Abdelrhman]

:salams

CELT said:
'Whoso Knoweth Himself , knows his lord ', [ Prophet Muhammad {saw} ]

Can you find a source for this please?

Also, I am just stopping by to say I refuse to listen to a sufi.

[Abu Mus'ab]

So its about rep now lol , you are truly pathetic and shows how much your intellect is based on lol

says the same pathetic thing that said this,

thank you oh great scholar for showing me how intellectual you are lol

[Abu Mus'ab]

CELT ISLAM, bro you shouldn't bother. It's like trying to talk to a brick wall. These people are beyond hope.

*Waits for an insult*
Yeha you shias and your shia lovers should stick together.

[CELT ISLAM]

CELT ISLAM, bro you shouldn't bother. It's like trying to talk to a brick wall. These people are beyond hope.

*Waits for an insult*

Asalaamualaykum , dear khaiber , yes this is always the case when dealing with uneducated people, they always result in insults and abuse as its the only thing they can do when they are intellectually challenged.

[Al-Irhaab]

Asalaamualaykum ,

Looks like not only when challenged with a good argument but when faced with a serious intellectual debate people become nasty with abuse due to the lack of intellect and spiritual depth.

I feel sorry for you all that you cannot understand a basic intellectual talk really! it saddens me that due to the lack of real knowledge not being taught that you cannot even make a serious argument to what you do not agree with!.

ma salaam

'Whoso Knoweth Himself , knows his lord ', [ Prophet Muhammad {saw} ]
by Shaykh Muhyiddin Ibn `Arabi:


In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate,
and Him we ask for aid:

Praise be to God [ Allah, may His Majesty be exalted ] before whose oneness there was not a before, unless the Before were He, and after whose singleness there is not an after, except the After be He. He is, and there is with Him no after nor before, nor above nor below, nor far nor near, nor union nor division, nor how nor where nor when, nor times nor moment nor age, nor being nor place. And He is now as He was. He is the One without oneness, and the Single without singleness. He is not composed of name and named, for His name is He and His named is He.
So there is no name other than He, nor named. And so He is the Name and the Named. He is the First without firstness, and the Last without lastness. He is the Outward without outwardness, and the Inward without inwardness. I mean that He is the very existence of the First and the very existence of the Last, and the very existence of the Outward and the very existence of the Inward. So that there is no first nor last, nor outward nor inward, except Him, without these becoming Him or His becoming them.

Understand, therefore, in order that you may not fall into the error of the Hululis: He is not in a thing nor a thing in Him, whether entering in or proceeding forth. It is necessary that you know Him after this fashion, not by knowledge (`ilm), nor by intellect, nor by understanding, nor by imagination, nor by sense, nor by the outward eye, nor by the inward eye, nor by perception. 'There' does not see Him, save Himself; nor perceive Him, save Himself. By Himself He sees Himself, and by Himself He knows Himself. None sees Him other than He, and none perceives Him other than He. His Veil is (only a part of) His oneness; nothing veils other than He. His veil is (only) the concealment of His existence in His oneness, without any quality. None sees Him other than He - no sent prophet, nor saint made perfect, nor angel brought nigh knows Him. His Prophet is He, and His sending is He, and His word is He. He sent Himself with Himself to Himself. There was no mediator nor any means other than He.

"Whoso Knoweth Himself..." Muhyiddin Ibn `Arabi The Treatise on Being of Ibn `Arabi, also known as the Treatise on Unity.

was the guy who wrote this drunk? :rolleyes:

[CELT ISLAM]

was the guy who wrote this drunk? :rolleyes:


Asalaamualaykum ,

If you cannot understant somthing please say other wise you look as stupid as your posts.

I know its a challenge for people like you to use your brain but at least say what you dont understand other wise you just belittle only yourself.

Plus to write and defame a scholar and claim that may have been drunk while writing a poem about tawheed is childish and pathetic as its only your lies and conjecture that speak for itself.

[Al-Irhaab]

Asalaamualaykum ,

If you cannot understant somthing please say other wise you look as stupid as your posts.

I know its a challenge for people like you to use your brain but at least say what you dont understand other wise you just belittle only yourself.

is it me or you that fails to understand... i understand what the author wrote im asking you a question whether he was drunk whilst he was writing it because from what it seems you do not understand my question... perhaps you should utilise your mental capacity and your understanding of dialogue in the english language wherin if one asks a question they are normally replied to with an answer to said question... you only belittle yourself by trying to act intellectual :rolleyes:

[CELT ISLAM]

is it me or you that fails to understand... i understand what the author wrote im asking you a question whether he was drunk whilst he was writing it because from what it seems you do not understand my question... perhaps you should utilise your mental capacity and your understanding of dialogue in the english language wherin if one asks a question they are normally replied to with an answer to said question... you only belittle yourself by trying to act intellectual :rolleyes:

Asalaamualaykum ,

Your conclustion to the said matter has not come by some deep rationcination but by arrogance and rejection of any kind of knowledge that is offered.

I suggest to you if you are a seeker of divine knowledge that you actually start reasoning with some kind of substance.

As for the remarks about the said teacher being drunk well you only speak for yourself here and your unintellectual response is proof of what i say.

ma salaam.

[Abu Hurairah]

CELT ISLAM, bro you shouldn't bother. It's like trying to talk to a brick wall. These people are beyond hope.

*Waits for an insult*
Yes we people are beyond your Shia and Murabitoun 'hope' so give this trash a rest, you and your 'brother' should quit while your ahead, pack your bags and sling your hook.
Asalaamualaykum , dear khaiber , yes this is always the case when dealing with uneducated people, they always result in insults and abuse as its the only thing they can do when they are intellectually challenged.
Masha'allah it seems we have had two great minds here together on Ummah forum under our nose all this time, and we never knew. *Rolls :rolleyes: Eyes*
Asalaamualaykum ,

Your conclustion to the said matter has not come by some deep rationcination but by arrogance and rejection of any kind of knowledge that is offered.

I suggest to you if you are a seeker of divine knowledge that you actually start reasoning with some kind of substance.

As for the remarks about the said teacher being drunk well you only speak for yourself here and your unintellectual response is proof of what i say.

ma salaam.


Assalamu Alaikum,

Such big words for such a small man, one has been rummaging through the Dictonary he has recieved for Christmas I see.

As for the words highlighted in red, they do not exist in the English language, too much of the old free-mixing and dancing must of made you error my 'friend', far for a 'truly pathetic embarrassing unintellectual man without spiritual depth and lacking in real knowledge' who apparently 'shouts the loudest' to correct one such as yourself oh Grand High Music Maker of the North.

'Conclustion' whatever that is perhaps should have been spelt conclusion and that unknown word 'rationcination' perhaps should have been rationalisation.

I'll leave you with a final thought dear fellow, as to the green highlighted portion above our brother Al Irhaab speaks also for me when he asked was that Ibn Arabi :wacko: dude drunk when he wrote that piece? A question as yet you still have failed to answer, leading one to conclude you have some level of insecurity on the matter- I wonder why might that be old boy?

Wa Alaikum wa Assalam,

[CELT ISLAM]

Yes we people are beyond your Shia and Murabitoun 'hope' so give this trash a rest, you and your 'brother' should quit while your ahead, pack your bags and sling your hook.

Masha'allah it seems we have had two great minds here together on Ummah forum under our nose all this time, and we never knew. *Rolls :rolleyes: Eyes*

Assalamu Alaikum,

Such big words for such a small man, one has been rummaging through the Dictonary he has recieved for Christmas I see.

As for the words highlighted in red, they do not exist in the English language, too much of the old free-mixing and dancing must of made you error my 'friend', far for a 'truly pathetic embarrassing unintellectual man without spiritual depth and lacking in real knowledge' who apparently 'shouts the loudest' to correct one such as yourself oh Grand High Music Maker of the North.

'Conclustion' whatever that is perhaps should have been spelt conclusion and that unknown word 'rationcination' perhaps should have been rationalisation.

I'll leave you with a final thought dear fellow, as to the green highlighted portion above our brother Al Irhaab speaks also for me when he asked was that Ibn Arabi :wacko: dude drunk when he wrote that piece? A question as yet you still have failed to answer, leading one to conclude you have some level of insecurity on the matter- I wonder why might that be old boy?

Wa Alaikum wa Assalam,


Asalaamualaykum ,

Why can you not ask a queston with some kind of substance or is that to much of an intellectual challenge?

I didnt give an answer to your lame queston as it was usless and pathetic to say the least lol

You reject knowledge thats your path and this is due to your arrogance and un intellectual girth.

Hold fast to the rope of Allah all together,
and do not separate.
Remember Allah’s blessing to you when you were enemies
and He joined your hearts together
so that you became brothers by His blessing.
You were on the very brink of a pit of the Fire
and He rescued you from it.
In this way Allah makes His Signs clear to you,
so that hopefully you will be guided.

(Surat Al ‘Imran, 3:103)

[Al-Irhaab]

Asalaamualaykum ,

Your conclustion to the said matter has not come by some deep rationcination but by arrogance and rejection of any kind of knowledge that is offered.

I suggest to you if you are a seeker of divine knowledge that you actually start reasoning with some kind of substance.

As for the remarks about the said teacher being drunk well you only speak for yourself here and your unintellectual response is proof of what i say.

ma salaam.



so what ur saying in a nutshell was that he was drunk right.... or am i getting u confused... :scratch:

[CELT ISLAM]

so what ur saying in a nutshell was that he was drunk right.... or am i getting u confused... :scratch:


Asalaamualaykum ,

Allah the Exalted declares (Ta Ha 20:132):

Instruct your family to do salat,
and be constant in it.
We do not ask you for provision.
We provide for you.
And the best end result
is gained by taqwa.

[Al-Irhaab]

Asalaamualaykum ,

Allah the Exalted declares (Ta Ha 20:132):

Instruct your family to do salat,
and be constant in it.
We do not ask you for provision.
We provide for you.
And the best end result

is gained by taqwa.


yes taqwa is of the essence mashallah... but that doesnt answer the question... :rolleyes:

if he was drunk just say so and will ask forgiveness for him... everyone makes mistakes...

[CELT ISLAM]

yes taqwa is of the essence mashallah... but that doesnt answer the question... :rolleyes:

if he was drunk just say so and will ask forgiveness for him... everyone makes mistakes...



Asalaamualaykum ,

I repeat just in case you did comprehend the simple answer to your silly and childish queston.


Why can you not ask a queston with some kind of substance or is that to much of an intellectual challenge?

I didnt give an answer to your lame queston as it was usless and pathetic to say the least lol

You reject knowledge thats your path and this is due to your arrogance and un intellectual girth.

Hold fast to the rope of Allah all together,
and do not separate.
Remember Allah’s blessing to you when you were enemies
and He joined your hearts together
so that you became brothers by His blessing.
You were on the very brink of a pit of the Fire
and He rescued you from it.
In this way Allah makes His Signs clear to you,
so that hopefully you will be guided.

(Surat Al ‘Imran, 3:103)


Muslims need to stick together not ridicule one another in such childlike ways , you have been kindly put in your place, its called being admonished.



Allâhumma ârinâ alashyâ' kamâ hiya.

Ma salaam.

[Al-Irhaab]

Asalaamualaykum ,

I repeat just in case you did comprehend the simple answer to your silly and childish queston.


Why can you not ask a queston with some kind of substance or is that to much of an intellectual challenge?

I didnt give an answer to your lame queston as it was usless and pathetic to say the least lol

You reject knowledge thats your path and this is due to your arrogance and un intellectual girth.

Hold fast to the rope of Allah all together,
and do not separate.
Remember Allah’s blessing to you when you were enemies
and He joined your hearts together
so that you became brothers by His blessing.
You were on the very brink of a pit of the Fire
and He rescued you from it.
In this way Allah makes His Signs clear to you,
so that hopefully you will be guided.

(Surat Al ‘Imran, 3:103)


Muslims need to stick together not ridicule one another in such childlike ways , you have been kindly put in your place, its called being admonished.



Allâhumma ârinâ alashyâ' kamâ hiya.


Ma salaam.


so basically what ur saying is aswell as listening to music these guys used to sit around and drink endo aswell?? :scratch: they reminding me more of 70s rockers then muslim scholars... wots next weed? :rolleyes:

[Abu Mus'ab]

so basically what ur saying is aswell as listening to music these guys used to sit around and drink endo aswell?? :scratch: they reminding me more of 70s rockers then muslim scholars... wots next weed? :rolleyes:
Weed is old stuff for them, they're using something much stronger these days *Roll Eyes*

[CELT ISLAM]

so basically what ur saying is aswell as listening to music these guys used to sit around and drink endo aswell?? :scratch: they reminding me more of 70s rockers then muslim scholars... wots next weed? :rolleyes:


Asalaamualaykum ,

Where is your proof and knowledge from which you come to the conclustion that Ibn Al Arabi was drunk? from where do you get this knowledge or is it just another lie coming from your own conjecture?

The basic fact of you having to resort to personal attacks due to your lack of intellectual insight is somewhat alarming as it shows the state of affairs of the Ummah.

Music is another issue on which not all scholars agree another fact! , what i do with my own life has nothing personally to do with you , so you are of those that believes all music is haraam so what! iam from the opinion that thinks otherwise.


Qutoe: " so basically what ur saying is aswell as listening to music these guys used to sit around and drink endo aswell??

Who are "THESE GUYS" ?


Be more specific please!


And as for you saying : " sit around and drink endo aswell?? "


WHO SITS AND DRINKS ENDO?


WHAT IS ENDO?


You dont make any sense at all .


No wonder you cannot grasp the most simple of conversation.


Iam finished with the likes of you! you have no adab for people who have more knowledge and experience than you and you have shut the doors unto yourself for recieving knowledge , Good bye , may ALLAH bless you and guide you and may he ALLAH also bless all of your family , ameen.


In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.

<TABLE width=420><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD>36:1</TD><TD>Ya Sin. </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>36:2</TD><TD>By the Qur'an, full of Wisdom,- </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>36:3</TD><TD>Thou art indeed one of the apostles, </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>36:4</TD><TD>On a Straight Way. </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>36:5</TD><TD>It is a Revelation sent down by (Him), the Exalted in Might, Most Merciful. </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>36:6</TD><TD>In order that thou mayest admonish a people, whose fathers had received no admonition, and who therefore remain heedless (of the Signs of God). </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>36:7</TD><TD>The Word is proved true against the greater part of them: for they do not believe. </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>36:8</TD><TD>We have put yokes round their necks right up to their chins, so that their heads are forced up (and they cannot see). </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>36:9</TD><TD>And We have put a bar in front of them and a bar behind them, and further, We have covered them up; so that they cannot see. </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>36:10</TD><TD>The same is it to them whether thou admonish them or thou do not admonish them: they will not believe. </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>36:11</TD><TD>Thou canst but admonish such a one as follows the Message and fears the (Lord) Most Gracious, unseen: give such a one, therefore, good tidings, of Forgiveness and a Reward most generous. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Wa Alaykum Salaam.

[Abu Mus'ab]

Iam finished with the likes of you! you have no adab for people who have more knowledge and experience than you and you have shut the doors unto yourself for recieving knowledge

Heh man i haven't laughed this much in a long time, you really have been taking weed.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

I cant see this particular cuz i m at work, but I think I might have seen it before. He does make some very good points.

Can I just ask that if people do not like something, they should say what they don't like or disagree with because there is no single group, shaykh or tareeqah which is perfect and does or says something wrong!!

so why not just point out the errors instead of being silly and childish???

[CELT ISLAM]

I cant see this particular cuz i m at work, but I think I might have seen it before. He does make some very good points.

Can I just ask that if people do not like something, they should say what they don't like or disagree with because there is no single group, shaykh or tareeqah which is perfect and does or says something wrong!!

so why not just point out the errors instead of being silly and childish???

Asalaamualaykum ,

Yes i totally agree , but i think what we have here is a lack of intellectual insight and understanding.

I personally think aswell that if there is something that one doesnt agree with they should simply say but this is where we hit the hammer on its head! non of these people have even taken the time to even try and understand what the talk was about, not to mention the fact that its due to their teachers lack of intellectual girth that they cannot understand the deen in depth as most people nowadays listen to halfbaked scholars with a saudi-arabistani education which lacks serious intellectual teaching which is of no supprise as the saudi schools have closed down every traditional school of thought within mecca and medina.

[-Jibril-]

Salaamu 'Alaikum,
First and foremost, I am not here to debate with anyone...
But I just want to say to brother Celt, you seriously need to humble yourself akhi, from what I have read of your posts, you are coming across as very arrogant.
Why do you keep on going on and on about how certain brothers on this thread do not have any intellect?

I ask you brother, do you really think Abdul Qadir the sufi would be pleased to see your posts and how you responded to certain brothers here? I for one really doubt it.

Anyways, I really think that YOU should go and hone your adaab and akhlaaq before you ask others to do so.

Ma'salaam

[CELT ISLAM]

Salaamu 'Alaikum,
First and foremost, I am not here to debate with anyone...
But I just want to say to brother Celt, you seriously need to humble yourself akhi, from what I have read of your posts, you are coming across as very arrogant.
Why do you keep on going on and on about how certain brothers on this thread do not have any intellect?

I ask you brother, do you really think Abdul Qadir the sufi would be pleased to see your posts and how you responded to certain brothers here? I for one really doubt it.

Anyways, I really think that YOU should go and hone your adaab and akhlaaq before you ask others to do so.

Ma'salaam


Asalaamualaykum ,

I can see you hold to having double standards, why didnt you admonish those who were being awfull arrogant and down right inslutive?

Iam far from arrogant serious! maybe if you met me in person you would have a complete different out look to who and what iam!.

I simply said what needed to be said when dealing with pathetic people who cannot debate intellectually instead they would rather gain points on this forum by the use of insults after insult!

Admonishment is a blessing did you know that? and yes iam far from perfect but that gives no excuse to insult me and what i stand for does it now!

If you read all of the posts you will see who is being nasty and it iant me thats for sure!:up:

As i said before time and time again, if you dont like somthing at least say it with a full intellectual argument no? other wise its just about naffs and clash of personalities no?

ma salaam. abdullah

[Strict2TheSunna]

You see the problem is, you worship this Abdul Qadir as sufi.

The equivalent to someone insulting "Abdul Qadir" as sufi

Is like if someone insulted My beloved Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him

He's just a regular guy who likes to make money of his "students" just like any other sufi "shiekh"

[CELT ISLAM]

You see the problem is, you worship this Abdul Qadir as sufi.

The equivalent to someone insulting "Abdul Qadir" as sufi

Is like if someone insulted My beloved Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him

He's just a regular guy who likes to make money of his "students" just like any other sufi "shiekh"



Asalaamualaykum ,

Since when did i ever proclaim that i worship other than ALLAH?

You accuse me of commiting shirk where is your proof of this?

looks like not only do you tell stories, but you also make lies in order that you aviod any real intellectual debate.

I worship none other than ALLAH Glory be unto him ,so please donot downgrade yourself or belittle oneself in such a way by making statments that are nothing but insults and lies which have no real value , weight or actuall truth.

As for saying that someone is just a " a regular guy who likes to make money of his "students" just like any other sufi "shiekh"

Well its clear that not only do you not know who what you are talking about but more lies and deceit and fitnah you produce with your words of venom , grow up for once in your life and start acting like an adult.

ma salaam

[Um Abdullah]

although I believe the extreme sufis like Celt are deviant and spread misinformation about others (review some of his threads)

but I agree with bro Salman that u should point out what u think is wrong in this Abdul Qadir as Sufis words (I dont' know him) instead of just attacking with no mention of the reason why ur attacking his views.
This is only fair and just.


note: I didn't listen to the interview so I can't comment on it.

[CELT ISLAM]

although I believe the extreme sufis like Celt are deviant and spread misinformation about others (review some of his threads)

but I agree with bro Salman that u should point out what u think is wrong in this Abdul Qadir as Sufis words (I dont' know him) instead of just attacking with no mention of the reason why ur attacking his views.
This is only fair and just.


note: I didn't listen to the interview so I can't comment on it.


:start:

Asalaamualaykum ,

Did i miss something or did you forget what the subject was about? lol

Being called a deviant sufi coming from the likes of people like you! make my day ehehehe really ehehehhe i love this , your words of venom and fitnah is truly amazing! no wonder people think your a bunch of fanatical heretics lol all you can do is unsult and cause fitnah :up: well done nice display of fitnah:up: , something we all need to aviod no?

Abu Hurairah, radiyallahu 'anhu, reported that Muhammad the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, said:

"Do not be envious of one another; do not artificially inflate prices against one another; do not hate one another; do not shun one another; and do not undercut one another in business transactions; and be as fellow-brothers and servants of Allah.

A Muslim is the brother of a Muslim. He neither oppresses him nor humiliates him nor looks down upon him. Piety is here - and he pointed to his chest three times. It is evil enough for a Muslim to hold his brother Muslim in contempt. All things of a Muslim are inviolable for another Muslim: his blood, his property and his honour."

[ Sahih Muslim ]

[Marwan]

This is the same Abdul Qadir as-Sufi who claims genetic cloning is permissable in Islam.

What a nut.

[Um Abdullah]

:start:

Asalaamualaykum ,

Did i miss something or did you forget what the subject was about? lol

Being called a deviant sufi coming from the likes of people like you! make my day ehehehe really ehehehhe i love this , your words of venom and fitnah is truly amazing! no wonder people think your a bunch of fanatical heretics lol all you can do is unsult and cause fitnah :up: well done nice display of fitnah:up: , something we all need to aviod no?

Abu Hurairah, radiyallahu 'anhu, reported that Muhammad the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, said:

"Do not be envious of one another; do not artificially inflate prices against one another; do not hate one another; do not shun one another; and do not undercut one another in business transactions; and be as fellow-brothers and servants of Allah.

A Muslim is the brother of a Muslim. He neither oppresses him nor humiliates him nor looks down upon him. Piety is here - and he pointed to his chest three times. It is evil enough for a Muslim to hold his brother Muslim in contempt. All things of a Muslim are inviolable for another Muslim: his blood, his property and his honour."

[ Sahih Muslim ]


subhanallah !
I actually felt sorry for u because many were attacking u without mentioning what is wrong with what ur shaikh said, and thought it was only fair that the brothers who were attacking ur shaikh mention what they believed was wrong with what he said.
but at same time I wanted them to know that I am not defending u because I agree with things u say. but their way was not fair.

so what fitnah are u talking about ??!!

I was shocked from ur reply, I didn't expect u to say such a thing, I guess I was wrong to feel sorry for u.

now ur true face is appearant to me.
ur hate just blinds u.

[Al-Irhaab]

subhanallah !
I actually felt sorry for u because many were attacking u without mentioning what is wrong with what ur shaikh said, and thought it was only fair that the brothers who were attacking ur shaikh mention what they believed was wrong with what he said.
but at same time I wanted them to know that I am not defending u because I agree with things u say. but their way was not fair.

so what fitnah are u talking about ??!!

I was shocked from ur reply, I didn't expect u to say such a thing, I guess I was wrong to feel sorry for u.

now ur true face is appearant to me.
ur hate just blinds u.

forget the interview did u not see his quote from that person ibn arabi... if that is not enough for anyone to see the biddah and shirk that he promotes then what else is...

[CELT ISLAM]

subhanallah !
I actually felt sorry for u because many were attacking u without mentioning what is wrong with what ur shaikh said, and thought it was only fair that the brothers who were attacking ur shaikh mention what they believed was wrong with what he said.
but at same time I wanted them to know that I am not defending u because I agree with things u say. but their way was not fair.

so what fitnah are u talking about ??!!

I was shocked from ur reply, I didn't expect u to say such a thing, I guess I was wrong to feel sorry for u.

now ur true face is appearant to me.
ur hate just blinds u.

Asalaamualaykum ,

I was being ironic didnt you see that?

ma salaam.

[CELT ISLAM]

forget the interview did u not see his quote from that person ibn arabi... if that is not enough for anyone to see the biddah and shirk that he promotes then what else is...


Asalaamualaykum ,

You can write whatever you want, because all that you do write is lies and conjecture! and for your information i have never ever ever bow my head to anything other than ALLAH.

you wrote this to me QUOTE: " funniest thing is im hanafi mashallah but u go back to bowing down to graves and to ur priests whilst we bow down to non but allah "

So not only do you not know me and what i believe but now you make even more lies and conjecture about me and attribute things to me that are not true!

I dont have a preist and i never bow down to graves so there you go in your face you lier and defamer.

Take you lies and stick them where the sun dont shine lier!!

You show me proof right now for everyone to see about what you say about ME!!

You have none what so ever! all you do is believe lies and stories funny how you have become the very essense of the thing you also believe ! and that is lies and deciet and blatent fitnah.

Your seriously not worth the effort not only can you not debate with any kind of intellectualism but you have to lie and cheat your way into defaming muslims in order that you satisfiy your own ego [ naffs]

[Marwan]

Dude, you can say whatever you want. But you do know you're giving the Sufiis a bad name with these 'intellectual' rants of yours?

You guys from sunniforum need to get off your high-horses and realize you're not as smart as you think you are. Nor are other people as dumb as you might figure em out to be.

[-Jibril-]

Asalaamualaykum ,

I can see you hold to having double standards, why didnt you admonish those who were being awfull arrogant and down right inslutive?

Iam far from arrogant serious! maybe if you met me in person you would have a complete different out look to who and what iam!.

I simply said what needed to be said when dealing with pathetic people who cannot debate intellectually instead they would rather gain points on this forum by the use of insults after insult!

Admonishment is a blessing did you know that? and yes iam far from perfect but that gives no excuse to insult me and what i stand for does it now!

If you read all of the posts you will see who is being nasty and it iant me thats for sure!:up:

As i said before time and time again, if you dont like somthing at least say it with a full intellectual argument no? other wise its just about naffs and clash of personalities no?

ma salaam. abdullah




Yeah,erm...ok...you're right and we are all wrong, happy?
Grow up and go and show some emnity to the kuffar, brother, instead of tryin to put down fellow Muslims with your "intellectual" rants.

I'm outta this thread, its a joke:torture:

[CELT ISLAM]

Yeah,erm...ok...you're right and we are all wrong, happy?
Grow up and go and show some emnity to the kuffar, brother, instead of tryin to put down fellow Muslims with your "intellectual" rants.

I'm outta this thread, its a joke:torture:

PATHETIC REALLY !!

[Abu Hurairah]

PATHETIC REALLY !!
No not really. :rolleyes:

[Abu Mus'ab]

PATHETIC REALLY !!
Yeah you are pathetic really.

[CELT ISLAM]

Yeah you are pathetic really.


YAWN !!!!!! :zzz:

[Abu Mus'ab]

YAWN !!!!!! :zzz:
Heh come on you can do better than that.

[aboo ishaaq]

as-Salâm 'alaikum wa rahmatullah,

Can someone please pass the popcorn?

[CELT ISLAM]

as-Salâm 'alaikum wa rahmatullah,

Can someone please pass the popcorn?

YAWWN BIG FAT YAWN! BORING !!! :zzz: :zzz: :zzz::coolbro:

[Abu Hurairah]

YAWWN BIG FAT YAWN! BORING !!! :zzz: :zzz: :zzz::coolbro:
^^^ So this is what an 'intellectual' response looks like. :rubeyes:

[CELT ISLAM]

^^^ So this is what an 'intellectual' response looks like. :rubeyes:

Yawn yawn!! dont talk of intellectualims when you dont ever respond with any intellectual debate except fitnah and abuse! so yawn to your nonsense! YAWN!

UNTIL YOU HAVE WATCHED THE TALKS PROVIDED TO YOU FOR YOUR BENIFIT THEN COME BACK AND DEBATE WHAT YOU DONT LIKE OR REJECT TO YOUR INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY :zzz::zzz::zzz::zzz:

[Abu Hurairah]

Yawn yawn!! dont talk of intellectualims when you dont ever respond with any intellectual debate except fitnah and abuse! so yawn to your nonsense! YAWN!

UNTIL YOU HAVE WATCHED THE TALKS PROVIDED TO YOU FOR YOUR BENIFIT THEN COME BACK AND DEBATE WHAT YOU DONT LIKE OR REJECT TO YOUR INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY :zzz::zzz::zzz::zzz:
^^^ So this is what a response with apparent 'spiritual depth' looks like. :rubeyes:

[CELT ISLAM]

^^^ So this is what a response with apparent 'spiritual depth' looks like. :rubeyes:



Asalaamualaykum ,

look this is no game okay!! stop being so childish, shouldent you be in bed now? iam sure its past your bed time no?

Stop being stupid and acting like a child for this is no game ISLAM is not a game if you carry on acting like a fool i will have to report you for forum abuse okay! is that clear enough for you?

Stop this madness right now, i sugest you make some kind of intellectual response or get lost for all your doing is making yourself look even more stupid that you already are!

Watch the films and learn something for once!

wa alaykumsalaam



PS , IS THIS THE ALL AND END ALL OF YOUR ARGUMENT?

BORING AND PATHETIC! TO SAY THE LEAST LOL :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

[Abu Hurairah]

Asalaamualaykum ,

look this is no game okay!! stop being so childish, shouldent you be in bed now? iam sure its past your bed time no?

Stop being stupid and acting like a child for this is no game ISLAM is not a game if you carry on acting like a fool i will have to report you for forum abuse okay! is that clear enough for you?

Stop this madness right now, i sugest you make some kind of intellectual response or get lost for all your doing is making yourself look even more stupid that you already are!

Watch the films and learn something for once!

wa alaykumsalaam



PS , IS THIS THE ALL AND END ALL OF YOUR ARGUMENT?

BORING AND PATHETIC! TO SAY THE LEAST LOL :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:
^^^ So this is what a response with apparent 'real knowledge' looks like. :rubeyes:

[CELT ISLAM]

^^^ So this is what a response with apparent 'real knowledge' looks like. :rubeyes:


Asalaamualaykum ,


Almost a joke nearly funny , grow up !

[Abu Hurairah]

Asalaamualaykum ,

Almost a joke nearly funny , grow up !
^^^ So this is what an apparent 'wonderful and enlightening' response with the said 'capacity for knowledge' looks like. :rubeyes:

[CELT ISLAM]

^^^ So this is what an apparent 'wonderful and enlightening' response with the said 'capacity for knowledge' looks like. :rubeyes:


Asalaamualaykum ,

Iam still waitin for your answer to what you think of the movie that you havent watched yet .

It is me that is saying to you, respond to what you dont like no?

Why cant you answer a simple queston?

Is answering a simple queston so difficult for your brain?
or do you just like to cause fitna and call people deviants due to arrogance and ignorance?

What troubles you so much that you cannot even watch the film for the sake of defending your claims?

How can a person defame a thing when the said person doesnt even know what the subject is even about ? lol

Your post realy dont make anysense at all do they lol

All you have done is rejected somthing that you have no knowledge of lol

You choose your own ignorance , looks like you want to live the life of the ahul jahil no?

I dont think you are as stupid as you make out to be, try be smart and learn somthing, you never know you may actually learn somthing!

[aboo ishaaq]

as-Salâm 'alaikum wa rahmatullah,

YAWWN BIG FAT YAWN! BORING !!! :zzz: :zzz: :zzz::coolbro:
You should probably get some sleep. You seem to be really tired.

As for that interview, I can’t believe I just wasted my time watching it.

One thing I definitely learned was where you get your tendancy to skirt issues and never address questions directly. Particularly with the first question posed to him, he didn’t answer it at all. Instead he rambled on and on about other attrocities and didn’t really analyze the incident at all.

One thing I found utterly hilarious was his gaffe concerning September 11<SUP>th</SUP> referring to it as November 11<SUP>th</SUP>; and when corrected he went on about why he doesn’t like these events being referred to by dates! Hahaha. Quite the howler, indeed.

Throughout the interview you get the sense that he doesn’t know what he’s really talking about, or that he doesn’t really know how to organise his thoughts properly. I must say, thought, he does know how to jump around from issue to issue and topic to topic, all the while avoiding to answer the question directly … kind of like what you’re known for ;) .<O:p</O:p

[CELT ISLAM]

as-Salâm 'alaikum wa rahmatullah,


You should probably get some sleep. You seem to be really tired.

As for that interview, I can’t believe I just wasted my time watching it.

One thing I definitely learned was where you get your tendancy to skirt issues and never address questions directly. Particularly with the first question posed to him, he didn’t answer it at all. Instead he rambled on and on about other attrocities and didn’t really analyze the incident at all.

One thing I found utterly hilarious was his gaffe concerning September 11<SUP>th</SUP> referring to it as November 11<SUP>th</SUP>; and when corrected he went on about why he doesn’t like these events being referred to by dates! Hahaha. Quite the howler, indeed.

Throughout the interview you get the sense that he doesn’t know what he’s really talking about, or that he doesn’t really know how to organise his thoughts properly. I must say, thought, he does know how to jump around from issue to issue and topic to topic, all the while avoiding to answer the question directly … kind of like what you’re known for ;) .<O:p</O:p


Asalaamualaykum,

So what did he say, because your analysis is quite for some what of a better expression pathetic .

Actually the shaykh was being ironic and he does have a great sense of homour lol novemeber 11th lol.

It does not supprise me at all that you didnt understand what he was saying as its far to above your small intellect and vocabulary.

The shaykhs talk was a deep analysis of the whole situation of what we know as kuffr and the whole topic of terrorism from all points of veiw.

If that is the best analysis you can come up with well eheh proves to me the point that your ability to understand deep intellectualism is somewhat weak.

Why did the shaykh say another date to 911? what was his reason?

you didnt menstion the fact why he said a different date shall i quote him? or are you going to tell the truth? instead of defaming what you didnt understand.

[Al-ghurabah]

lol. just finsihed reading all of this post..

funny thing is no one was discussing the actual topic at hand or the documentary rather cussing each other.. its like school days kids cussing each other..
never heard ofthat guy abdul qadir al-sufi..

may allahguide all of us to the haq and keep us away from the biddah and shirk

[CELT ISLAM]

lol. just finsihed reading all of this post..

funny thing is no one was discussing the actual topic at hand or the documentary rather cussing each other.. its like school days kids cussing each other..
never heard ofthat guy abdul qadir al-sufi..

may allahguide all of us to the haq and keep us away from the biddah and shirk





Asalaamualaykum , never heard of shaykh abdal qadir as sufi, here is his biog , you actually learn somthing now. ma salaam:D


The work of Shaykh Dr.Abdalqadir as sufi


Just under half a century ago a young, successful Scottish writer Ian Dallas entered Islam at the Qarawyn Mosque of Fez witnessed by the Imam Khatib of the Qarawyn Shaykh Abdalkrim Daudi and Alal Al-Fasi the renowned nationalist leader. Shortly afterwards while he was seeking a Sufic guide, Shaykh Muhammad ibn al-Habib turned back on his tracks and thus he found the seeker. After a series of visits to the Shaykh's Zawiyya in Meknes, the Shaykh invested his Murid with the title of As-Sufi.

Ian Dallas now Abdalqadir As-Sufi had begun a lifetime of Da'wa and intellectual study to revive the Deen which was being crushed both by the Arabs' headlong plunge into Socialism on the one hand and by the disastrous attempt of the Muslim modernists to westernise the deen on the other.

Right at the beginning of his intense active life as a Da'ee Abdalqadir As-Sufi realised that bringing solitary individuals into Islam would reduce the Deen to a personal or inward religion that could not create an Islamic Jama'at. He began with a small group of Scots and English, among them the Wali of Allah, Hajj Abdalaziz Redpath, may Allah be pleased with him, and the now highly respected 'Ulema and translators, Hajj Abdalhhaqq Bewley and his wife Hajia Aisha At-Tarjumana Bewley.

Turning their backs on an easeful life in society the group moved into a ruined house in central London - a squat. In the shortest time new Muslims had taken over of most of the empty houses in the street, decorated them and opened up a tailor's, a bakery, a health shop, a book shop and a clinic. The transformed street had become a Muslim community. It was visited by Dr. Kawthar Niazi, Pakistan's Minister of Islamic Affairs, and by Shaykh Abdalhalim Mahmud, Shaykh al Azhar who led the Dhu'hr prayer of the community.

From the beginning our Shaykh had wanted to create a Muslim village in England. To this end, he visited King Khalid in Riyadh. The King had expressed enthusiasm for the project and promised to undertake the task. However, the Wahabbis at the court forbad the king from keeping his promise.

Nevertheless it was the leading Wahabbi, Shaykh Abdallah Aal-Mahmud, who befriended Hajj Abdalqadir and defended him against his modernist and Wahabbi detractors. He announced: "Hajj Abdalqadir, you are going to be the leader of all the Muslims in Europe. All that matters is that your 'Aqida must be correct. Then you will have success." As a result of this meeting Hajj Abdalqadir embarked on a research which resulted in an important production of key works of Islamic Fiqh. As a result in the shortest time his Murids began to produce superb translations of key works that had never appeared before in English.

Following the guidance of Shaykh Abdallah ,Shaykh Abdal Qadir as Sufi decided to hold to the primal model of Islamic teaching- the truly Salafi school of the 'Amal of the people of Madinah, whose greatest explicator was Imam Malik, may Allah be pleased with him - the very teaching that ibn Taymiyya set over all the Schools.

As a result the following works have appeared in English:

'The Muwatta' of Imam Malik (with an 'Ijaza from the London Central Mosque) translated by Hajjia Aisha Bewley.

'Defence Against Disaster' by Qadi Abu Bakr ibn Arabi of Granada, on the correct position on the Fitnat al-Kubra with extensive commentary. Translated by Hajjia Aisha Bewley.

'Risala: Abi Zayd al- Qayrawani with nine classical commentaries translated by Shaykh Ali al-Iraqi (in Spanish)

'Meanings of Qur'an' (Spanish, now accepted as official version by Muslims) Hajj Abdalghani Melara

'Meanings of Qur'an' (English, the now renowned version of the Bewleys.)

'The Meaning of Man' Sidi Ali al-Jamal of Fez, prior to this only one copy, the original, was in his Fez Zawiyya. (Translated by Hajjia Aisha Bewley).

Qadi 'Ayad: Fundamentals of Islam (Translated by Hajjia Aisha Bewley).


During this period Hajj Abdalqadir was ordered by the Alawiyya Shaykh Muhammad al-Fayturi to visit him in Benghazi, Libya. In obedience, he left for Libya where Shaykh al Fayturi put him in Khalwa. He said, "I say to you what Shaykh al-Alawi told me on putting me into seclusion- "you are already cooked, this will not take long, Insha'Allah"". After three nights the Shaykh released him - the same time as Shaykh al-Fayturi had spent under the guidance of Shaykh al-Alawi. Shaykh al-Fayturi declared, "Now- no hand is over your hand." When his Fuqara later criticised Hajj Abdalqadir as-Sufi for reverting to the Wird of the Habibiyya, Shaykh al-Fayturi announced: "He is Arif-Bi'llah. Leave him be."

Some time after this he declared his authority as Shaykh of the Habibiyya-Allawiyya-Darqawi Tariqa. This was confirmed by Sidi Muhammad ibn Ali the Wali of Bahlil, Moulay Hassan al-Majdhoub, and the Wali of Allah, Sidi Muhammad Bel-Kurshi of Turuq, the now over 100 year old Sufic companion of Shaykh Muhammad ibn al-Habib.

The Da'wa over these years, without any support from governments, continued with growing success.

Thousands have entered Islam as a result of this activity - uncounted hundreds. Communities have been established in:

England
Scotland
Ireland
Germany
Spain
Italy
Mexico
South Africa
And only this year in Russia.


The leader of the communities is a distinguished German Lawyer, also Editor of the nationally renowned "Islamischa Zeitung." Rais Abu Bakr Rieger. His communities work towards the restoration of the fallen pillar of Zakat and have brought back the necessary Sunna of the gold Dinar and silver Dirham essential to a TAKEN Zakat.

Further, they have minted Islamic currency in Spain, South Africa, and Malaysia.

Umar 'Ibrahim Vadillo is known to the communities as 'Umar Pasha' because of his leadership in demonstrating and structuring the way to submit modern finance to the Halal and successful methods of Madinan practice. He is the Author of "The Esoteric Deviation in Islam", the definitive text that puts behind us all the outdated 'Modernism' that has shipwrecked on the rocks of terrorism.

In 2001 the Science University of Penang, Malaysia awarded Shaykh Abdal Qadir as sufi an Honorary Doctorate of Literature for his life's work.


Shaykh Dr. Abdalqadir as-Sufi founded:

The Ihsan Mosque of Norwich- gifted by Shaykh Azzam of Madinah.

The Great Mosque of Granada, Spain, gifted by H.H. Shaykh Sultan al-Qasimi.

The Jumu'a Mosque of Cape Town, South Africa, gifted by Hajj Sayyid Mukhtar al-Banna al-Bukhari of Malaysia.

The Shaykh has held 10 Conferences on Islamic Fiqh. One Conference was hosted by Shaykh Zayd of Abu Dhabi. Another, in turn, was hosted by the Sultan al-'Ulama of Madinan Fiqh, Shaykh Shadhili an-Nayfar, may Allah be pleased with him. The evil Bourguiba banned it from being held at the Qarawiyyin of Tunis and in defiance Shaykh an-Nayfar held it in a hired cinema!


As the initiator of new programmes for a renewed Islam, purified of the deviations that led to 'terrorism' and suicide-bombing, our Shaykh points to a restoration of a Fiqh, 'Aqida, and Tasawwuf on pure Madinan lines.

To this end he has created a post-madrasah concept of education for Muslims, to equip them for leadership in the modern world and ready to build on the ruins of present day anarchy - this has been activated in the innovative curriculum of Dallas College which he founded in Cape Town. Its Vice-Chancellor is Hajj Abdalbasir Ojembarena, formerly Professor at Bilboa University in Spain. The college provides separate lectures on three aspects of politics. There are three languages taught: Arabic, Turkish, Urdu. Rhetoric using Shakespeare's political and historical plays and, of course, Information Technology is also taught. Students are both from the townships and abroad.


It is intended to re-create the module in the Soweto Mosque, and in Edinburgh, Scotland, Insha'Allah. A Secondary School for Muslim pupils is now in the planning stage. The Shaykh's educational system represents a renewal of intellectual life for Muslim youths in the modern world that marks an end to the outmoded madrasah system of the last century.

[Al-ghurabah]

mmmm intresting..... so did he change his aqeedah then after being requested by saudi ulema..


and why do you quote rumi for??? he was just a poet.. hid away from society for eyars

[CELT ISLAM]

mmmm intresting..... so did he change his aqeedah then after being requested by saudi ulema..


and why do you quote rumi for??? he was just a poet.. hid away from society for eyars

Asalaamualaykum ,

Brother the shaykh never changed his aqeeda ever!

And as for jalaaludin rumi well he was not only a poet but a scholar didnt you know that brother?

I suggest you read the history of rumi and his linage , he was far from being just a poet and thats a simple fact .

Read this book :

THE
FOUNDATIONS OF ISLAM ACCORDING TO THE AHL AL-MADINAH
QADI ‘IYAD

http://66.49.205.6/books/Foundations.pdf

PREFACE

In Salafi Madinah, that is at the time of the Messenger of Allah,
may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and the Sahaba,
may Allah be pleased with all of them, and later at the time of
the Khulafa ar-Rashidun – people did not pray and perform
‘ibada in four or more different ways. Their worship was a
unified ‘amal supported by a powerfully verified set of hadith.
Madinah was, quite literally, the place of the Deen. This
renowned book by the greatest of the scholars of the
Murabitun, Qadi ‘Iyad of Ceuta and Granada, is the summation
of that Salafi and Madinan pattern of unity in ‘ibada which is the
necessary basis to political reunion among the Muslims in
these difficult days. This school of the Ahl al-Madinah is, thus,
the Umm al-Madhahib.

Shaykh Abdalqadir As-Sufi



ma salaam.

[Al-ghurabah]

Asalaamualaykum ,

Brother the shaykh never changed his aqeeda ever!

And as for jalaaludin rumi well he was not only a poet but a scholars didnt you know that brother?

I suggest you read the history of rumi and his linage , he was far from being just a poet and thats a simple fact .

ma salaam.

what is his aqeedah then if you dont mind me asking.. read about rumi.. great scholar dont know about that bro.. but anyway...

[CELT ISLAM]

what is his aqeedah then if you dont mind me asking.. read about rumi.. great scholar dont know about that bro.. but anyway...


Asalaamualaykum ,

Shaykh abdal qadir's aqeeda is stricty in accordance with the ahul sunnah wa jammah, his linage of teaching is that of the school of ahul medina better known as the school of Imam malik [ra ].

Shaykh Abdal qadir is strictly for re establishment of the khilafah and the implimentation of the shariah.

What you must understand brother is that real sufism tasawwuf is a sceince nothing more, their are many sufi sects which we totaly reject due to their many reasons, we dont reject the knowledge of ALLAH which comes through sufi teachers as rumi and imam junaid etc.

You could say this, that we are up holders of the true salaafi teaching that of imam malik and his likes and that we take the best from all of muslims of ahu sunnah be they sufi or not.

When your free have a visit to the shaykhs site, www.shaykhabdalqadir.com (http://www.shaykhabdalqadir.com)

It is full of great letters and talks about many subjects and also have a few audio downloads about various topics such as aqeeda and madhabs.

Have a wonderfull day it is sunny here and what a great jummah day it is, ma salaam.

[aboo ishaaq]

as-Salâm 'alaikum wa rahmatullah,

So what did he say, because your analysis is quite for some what of a better expression pathetic .
My post wasn’t intended to be an “analysis” of whatever it was your beloved shaikh was rambling on about. So if you want to call my post pathetic, that’s fine and dandy :up: . I’m not going to cry about it.


Actually the shaykh was being ironic and he does have a great sense of homour lol novemeber 11th lol.
I highly doubt that, but I’ll take your word for it.


It does not supprise me at all that you didnt understand what he was saying as its far to above your small intellect and vocabulary.
Ha! Says the one who repeatedly misspells rhetoric as “rethoric”. For your own sake and integrity, please, please, please keep away from insults revolving around intellect and vocabularies, because much can be said about yours.


If that is the best analysis you can come up with well eheh proves to me the point that your ability to understand deep intellectualism is somewhat weak.
Hahahaha. Quite funny, indeed.

[Al-Irhaab]

It is necessary that you know Him after this fashion, not by knowledge (`ilm), nor by intellect, nor by understanding, nor by imagination, nor by sense, nor by the outward eye, nor by the inward eye, nor by perception. 'There' does not see Him, save Himself; nor perceive Him, save Himself. By Himself He sees Himself, and by Himself He knows Himself. None sees Him other than He, and none perceives Him other than He. His Veil is (only a part of) His oneness; nothing veils other than He. His veil is (only) the concealment of His existence in His oneness, without any quality. None sees Him other than He - no sent prophet, nor saint made perfect, nor angel brought nigh knows Him. His Prophet is He, and His sending is He, and His word is He. He sent Himself with Himself to Himself. There was no mediator nor any means other than He.

"Whoso Knoweth Himself..." Muhyiddin Ibn `Arabi The Treatise on Being of Ibn `Arabi, also known as the Treatise on Unity.

allah (Swt) has given a blessing to the muslims that they will see him in jannah and it is one of the biggest punishments of the kuffar that they will not be able to see him... yet some people believe that only allah (SwT) sees himself :rolleyes:

allah (SwT) did not send himself to the prophet (saW)...

he sent the quran via specific means to his messenger (SaW) so that he may conver the truth and take away people from misguidance and falsafiyyah and shirk and superstition and not that people make biddah into the purity of islam :rolleyes:

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Why are you guys acting like bunch of 5 yr olds????

I just heard the first part of this interview, and I have NOT seen anything wrong.

If someone can please tell me what he said in the first part of the interview that was wrong, I would really appreciate it????

anyone?

[Strict2TheSunna]

You see the problem is, you worship this Abdul Qadir as sufi.

The equivalent to someone insulting "Abdul Qadir" as sufi

Is like if someone insulted My beloved Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him

He's just a regular guy who likes to make money of his "students" just like any other sufi "shiekh"

I Really take this statement back.

The reason I said what I said is because of my own experience with a sufi "sheikh" that same day I posted that.

His name is harun faye if you know him. He did somethings to a friend of mine, and unfortanatly I made a general statement on all sufis.
I apologize.

[CELT ISLAM]

I Really take this statement back.

The reason I said what I said is because of my own experience with a sufi "sheikh" that same day I posted that.

His name is harun faye if you know him. He did somethings to a friend of mine, and unfortanatly I made a general statement on all sufis.
I apologize.


Asalaamualaykum , sidi , i understand at times why people get anoyed with so called sufi shaykhs as many are real fake and do not follow the sunnah and hold to beliefs that are totally against the aqeeda of Islam.

Shaykh Abdal qadir alhamdulilah is not perfect but his intellectual insight is a good one and his goal is to re establish the deen with its law and leadership under a khalif. The shaykh feels very strongly that sufism has been hijacked by moderates and modernist messianism as in the case of kabbani and his cult.

What we must always remember is that true sufism [ tasawwuf ] is just a name given to the sceince of understanding Ihsaan through a linage of teachers but unfortunatly some people have deviated from this wonderfull linage and have given the science a bad name something typical of human beings to change a thing to use against people.

[KhalidAlAmeriki]

Salam Alikeum Rahmatullah

I just wanted to say all those yawns in the middle of the thread were un islamic and one should cover his mouth and if he must yawn he should not make a sound while doing so.

[a mu-min]

Asalaamualaykum ,

Wonderfull and enlightening intellectual response i must say :up:

Maybe if one had the capacity for knowledge that widens ones scope one wouldent have to resolve to a meaningless response.

Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said,

"By the One in whose hand my soul is, you will not enter the Garden until you submit. You will not submit until you love one another. Extend the greeting to one another and you will love one another. Beware of hatred, for it is the razor. I do not tell you that it shaves the hair, but it shaves away the deen."



[ "Al-Adab al-Mufrad " IMAM BUKHARI [ R.A. ]


it was more like

abu hurayrah(ra) said that the prophet (saw) said

" you will not enter jannah until you believe, you will not believe until you love one another, should i tell you something..that if you do it you'll love one another? spread the "salaams" amongst one another"

or maybe its tow different narrations.

[Azzam00]

Assalmu alaikum

Anyone who fights that the word of Allah is raised high is considered a terrorist. All of the Afgani, Chechen, and Kashmiri Mujahideen are considered terrorists.

The concept of fighting to make the word of Allah supreme, Establishing the Shariah, Calling for Khilafah, all have become acts of terrorism.

[Nous Nous]

Salam wa alkum... the prophet (saw) came with the best of message for mankind and never used to speak in highly intellectual way just plain and simple for the people to understand…. Big words dazzle some people, when the best message is a simple one

[wajiha10]

Asalaamualaykum ,

Here is some basic knowledge that i feel many people on this board need to read before making statments and judgements about things they do not know.


<B><BIG><BIG>The Three Dimensions of Islam</BIG></BIG></B>


It is reported from 'Umar ibn al-Khattab:


"One day while we were sitting with the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, there appeared before us a man whose clothes were exceedingly white and whose hair was exceedingly black; no signs of journeying were to be seen on him and none of us knew him.

He walked up and sat down by the Prophet. Resting his knees against his and the palms of his hands on his thighs, he said, 'O Muhammad, tell me about Islam.' The Messenger of Allah said, "Islam is to testify that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, to perform the prayers, to pay the zakat, to fast in Ramadan, and to make the pilgrimage to the House if you are able to do so." He said, 'You have spoken the truth,' and we were amazed at him asking him and saying that he had spoken the truth. He said, 'Then tell me about Iman (faith).' He said, 'It is to believe in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day, and to believe in the decree both of good and evil.' He said, 'You have spoken the truth.' He said, 'Then tell me about Ihsan.' He said, 'it is to worship Allah as though you are seeing Him. Even though you do not see Him, He sees you.'"
In the end the Prophet informed them that it was Jibril (Gabriel) who had come to teach them their religion (deen).



<B><BIG>The Five Pillars of Islam:</BIG></B>

The outward form


Shahada: Affirmation of the unity of Allah and the prophethood of Muhammad

Salat: Five Prayers a day

Zakat: 2 1/2% wealth Tax

Fasting: The month of Ramadan from dawn to sunset

The Hajj: Pilgrimage to Makka. Once in a lifetime if one is physically and financially able to do so.



<B><BIG>The Six Fundamentals of Iman </BIG></B>
<B><BIG>(Faith):</BIG></B>


In addition to belief in Allah, it provides the Muslim with a blueprint for a view of a multi-dimensional universe which includes both the spiritual and physical worlds. It is more than passive acceptance, it is active affirmation. The basic Arabic root of iman means rest of mind and security from fear. The six fundamentals of Iman are faith in:


Allah: Who is not Connected to Events; Existing Before and After Time, Self-Subsisting, One.

The Angels: Made of light, Neither male nor female. They do not disobey God and do not require sustenance.

The Divine Books: Torah, Gospel, Psalms, Scrolls of Abraham, Qur'an, etc.

The Messengers of Allah: Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, David, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, etc.

The Last Day: When all the dead will be raised from their graves. It is the Day of Judgement when people will either be sent to the Garden or the Fire for all eternity.

The Decree of both good and evil: The destinies of all things are in God's hand and occur according to His decision. Nothing happens that He has not decreed.



<B><BIG>Ihsan:</BIG></B>

The inward path which amounts to recognition of what the self is, its position in the cosmos and how it can be purified.


The Stages of the Self:


An-Nafs al-'Amara: the insinuating self
The insinuating self which is wholly evil and totally under the control of passions and bent only on self- gratification. It is totally blind to any higher reality. "The lower self of man commands to evil acts." ( 12:53)

An-Nafs al-Lawwama:the self-reproaching self
The reproachful self which is indecisive in choosing between good and evil and is constantly embroiled in an inner struggle. It is unable to overcome the impulses of the lower self while it nonetheless recognises the higher one. "No, I swear by the self-reproaching self." (75:2)

An-Nafs al-Mulhama: the inspired self
The self which recognises its faults and strives to correct them. "By the self and what proportioned it and inspired it with depravity or godliness!" (91:7-8)

An-Nafs al-Mutma'inna: the self at peace
Finally there is the self at peace which is illuminated and acts according to the good and is therefore liberated "O self at peace, return to your Lord, well-pleased, well-pleasing. Enter among My servants. Enter My Garden." (89:27)

asalamu alaikum! this is a wonderful speech. masha allah!:lailah: :75: