would da brudas...?

[uhkt_al'muminun]

would the brudas want their wifes to wear a niqab or would you be cool with it if she didnt want 2, 4 what eva reason?

[Mr_Jailer]

would the brudas want their wifes to wear a niqab or would you be cool with it if she didnt want 2, 4 what eva reason?

If she wanna wear it, fine wid me sizta. :hidban:

[bint]

id want her to wear it.
i mean id like him to wear it.

[Mr_Jailer]

id want her to wear it.
i mean id like him to wear it.

:smack:

what part of 'brudas' didn't u understand?

:wacko:

[bint]

:smack:

what part of 'brudas' didn't u understand?

:wacko:


im just acting like a bro:coolbro:

id want him to wear one..:rubeyes: whats wrong with that. and id blindfold him do he cant look at oter lasses.

[uhkt_al'muminun]

id want her to wear it.
i mean id like him to wear it.

lol joka... yeah imagine da akhis wearing niqab :D what a fright its best they stick 2 their shades :coolbro: :D

[Al-Saeed Abdi]

As Salaamu Alaikum,

I want her to wear one, Insha'Allah, because I have extreme sense of gheerah.

Ma'aSalaama

[bint]

lol joka... yeah imagine da akhis wearing niqab :D what a fright its best they stick 2 their shades :coolbro: :D


yeah like nahh

u know the ruffian gangstas:cool: they cover their faces:D

[bint]

As Salaamu Alaikum,

I want her to wear one, Insha'Allah, because I have extreme sense of gheerah.

Ma'aSalaama


extreme?:rubeyes:

[souljaa]

As Salaamu Alaikum,

I want her to wear one, Insha'Allah, because I have extreme sense of gheerah.

Ma'aSalaama

whats gheerah?:embar:

[Mr_Jailer]

im just acting like a bro:coolbro:

id want him to wear one..:rubeyes: whats wrong with that. and id blindfold him do he cant look at oter lasses.

How will u know what he's lookin' at? :coolbro:

[uhkt_al'muminun]

yeah like nahh

u know the ruffian gangstas:cool: they cover their faces:D

yeah it's dat or da feds are on da brudas case... 007 flex lol!

seems lyk brudas might start wearing it 4 security reasons undercover...hmm:rolleyes:

[.: Anna :.]

whats gheerah?:embar:its the honourable jealousy type thing

[Al-Saeed Abdi]

extreme?:rubeyes:
Yes, Alhamudlilah.

Ma'aSalaama

[bint]

How will u know what he's lookin' at? :coolbro:


cos ill be following his gaze:rubeyes:

[`asiya]

whats gheerah?:embar:

masha Allah its the protective "jelousy" (for want of a better english word) every man should have that towards his wife, ( and also to his sisters , and his mother, and all women hes responsible for masha Allah which includes all his muslim sisters to a varying degree :up: )

[bint]

yeah it's dat or da feds are on da brudas case... 007 flex lol!

seems lyk brudas might start wearing it 4 security reasons undercover...hmm:rolleyes:


:rotfl:

yeah i know man..but hey itd look cool:coolbro:

[Abu Muslim]

whats gheerah?:embar:

Its encouraged jealousy akhee, between the husband and wife (not sure if it can apply to other relations) but when like you don't want no other man clocking your wife.

Or you get annoyed/upset if your wife was to display herself to anyone but you etc.

Gheerah : cos shes worth it *cool bearded bro*

[uhkt_al'muminun]

As Salaamu Alaikum,

I want her to wear one, Insha'Allah, because I have extreme sense of gheerah.

Ma'aSalaama


Allahuakbar... honesty is the best policy!

[bint]

Yes, Alhamudlilah.

Ma'aSalaama


mashaAllah.

[Mr_Jailer]

cos ill be following his gaze:rubeyes:

I've come accross many niqaabis whos gaze is all over the place... tendency of eye to roam 'bout the place. :hidban:

[`asiya]

Its encouraged jealousy akhee, between the husband and wife (not sure if it can apply to other relations) but when like you don't want no other man clocking your wife.

Or you get annoyed/upset if your wife was to display herself to anyone but you etc.

Gheerah : cos shes worth it *cool bearded bro*

Allahu alam i have understood also it applies in another degree to others? like if u saw ur muslim sister ( who u never knew or met before ) on the street getting harassed by a bunch of men, ur gonna immediately rush to her assitance ( i hope!) insha Allah ta ala,so u should have this protectivness towards all muslim women ( but in a different degree to your own wife which is in another way if u see what i mean) Allahu alam, this is what i expect from all my muslim brothers insha Allah maybe im wrong Allahu alam

[bint]

I've come accross many niqaabis whos gaze is all over the place... tendency of eye to roam 'bout the place. :hidban:



yes they do.no doubt. same applies with men.

[Mr_Jailer]

yes they do.no doubt. same applies with men.

some niqaabis make up for concealin' their bodies with wanderin' eyes... 'u can't see me, but i can see you' :rubeyes:

[bint]

some niqaabis make up for concealin' their bodies with wanderin' eyes... 'u can't see me, but i can see you' :rubeyes:


thats some SOME..niqaabis. bear in mine that im a niqaabi too. and belive it or not i keep my gaze down.

[Mr_Jailer]

thats some SOME..niqaabis. bear in mine that im a niqaabi too. and belive it or not i keep my gaze down.

its hard to tell where someone wearin' dark shades is lookin' at... if they look in ur direction, u think they lookin' at u innit. :coolbro:

[.: Anna :.]

Allahu alam i have understood also it applies in another degree to others? like if u saw ur muslim sister ( who u never knew or met before ) on the street getting harassed by a bunch of men, ur gonna immediately rush to her assitance ( i hope!) insha Allah ta ala,so u should have this protectivness towards all muslim women ( but in a different degree to your own wife which is in another way if u see what i mean) Allahu alam, this is what i expect from all my muslim brothers insha Allah maybe im wrong Allahu alamyeh :up:

[Abu Muslim]

Allahu alam i have understood also it applies in another degree to others? like if u saw ur muslim sister ( who u never knew or met before ) on the street getting harassed by a bunch of men, ur gonna immediately rush to her assitance ( i hope!) insha Allah ta ala,so u should have this protectivness towards all muslim women ( but in a different degree to your own wife which is in another way if u see what i mean) Allahu alam, this is what i expect from all my muslim brothers insha Allah maybe im wrong Allahu alam

Na'am ukthi, correct. Sorry, I was just explaining what gheerah meant in the context that akhi saeed mentioned as to explain to the other akhi so he would understand better insha''Allah

[bint]

its hard to tell where someone wearin' dark shades is lookin' at... if they look in ur direction, u think they lookin' at u innit. :coolbro:
what are you talking about/~?

[Mr_Jailer]

what are you talking about/~?

you wouldn't know 'cos ur gaze is lowered.

[bint]

you wouldn't know 'cos ur gaze is lowered.
yeah wtvr..

[`asiya]

its hard to tell where someone wearin' dark shades is lookin' at... if they look in ur direction, u think they lookin' at u innit. :coolbro:

...but then see this is why u have to marry a man who fears Allah ta ala in the first place insha Allah and who will always lower his gaze wether hes with u or not insha Allah :up:

edit lol sorry i just misread that anyway i stand by what i have said although its not relevant to ur quote sorry about that :p

[-Shamil-]

its hard to tell where someone wearin' dark shades is lookin' at... if they look in ur direction, u think they lookin' at u innit.
only if ure extremely vain :p

[Mr_Jailer]

...but then see this is why u have to marry a man who fears Allah ta ala in the first place insha Allah and who will always lower his gaze wether hes with u or not insha Allah :up:

edit lol sorry i just misread that anyway i stand by what i have said although its not relevant to ur quote sorry about that :p

OK :up: But yes, even someone wearin' dark shades should keep gaze lowered

only if ure extremely vain :p

Can be freaky :nervous:

[Umar`]

Allahu alam i have understood also it applies in another degree to others? like if u saw ur muslim sister ( who u never knew or met before ) on the street getting harassed by a bunch of men, ur gonna immediately rush to her assitance ( i hope!) insha Allah ta ala,so u should have this protectivness towards all muslim women ( but in a different degree to your own wife which is in another way if u see what i mean) Allahu alam, this is what i expect from all my muslim brothers insha Allah maybe im wrong Allahu alam

no your bang on there sister,mashaAllah.

[Abdelrhman]

:salams

I would want her to wear one. Wouldn't force her but I'd definately encourage it. Nothing wrong with it, and it just shows her dedication to Allah. I wouldn't want her to do it only because I forced her. I would want her to do it for Allah.

[JiHaDiYa]

As, hey Abdulallah aka silent_mujahidah (personal joke) lol...:D i no dis has nothin 2do wid dis topic but i knew dis is da only place i can find u girl lol! yep ive sighned up nw, so wen eva just pm init! oh yh tell mama n baba i send my sallamz:D even doh ill b wid u wen ur readdin dis.....lol

nuff love sis :inlove:

[nami]

i don't think i would marry someone who chose not to wear the niqaab. :( i wouldnt even tell her, i would expect her to know :p

[scribble]

When I first read that I thought, "What in the name is 'Brudas'"

I get it now, it's brothers. :p

[RashidD]

I would definitely like/ prefer her to wear it InshaAllah :up:

[Abu Mus'ab]

id want her to wear it.
i mean id like him to wear it.
Are men allowed to wear Niqaab?

[-Shamil-]

Are men allowed to wear Niqaab?


you seem to wear it in all your pics *Roll Eyes*

[Abu Mus'ab]

you seem to wear it in all your pics *Roll Eyes*
That's a turban not a niqaab *Roll Eyes*

[-Shamil-]

That's a turban not a niqaab *Roll Eyes
a turban that covers all of your face is in effect a niqab *Roll Eyes*

[Umm 'Umarah]

That's a turban not a niqaab *Roll Eyes*

yeah you can wear a niqaab if you want...

but that would mean you would have to wear all the gear with it..
and pass the niqaab wearers test

which consists of wearing

a hot pink diamante studded Hijab
a pair of furry kitten heels
a yellow handbag
and a purple abaya

if you are willing to wear the above...then no probz.

[Abu Mus'ab]

a turban that covers all of your face is in effect a niqab *Roll Eyes*
I hope you know what you're implying *Roll Eyes*

[Abu Mus'ab]

yeah you can wear a niqaab if you want...

but that would mean you would have to wear all the gear with it..
and pass the niqaab wearers test

which consists of wearing

a hot pink diamante studded Hijab
a pair of furry kitten heels
a yellow handbag
and a purple abaya

if you are willing to wear the above...then no probz.
Any 'man' that passes that would have to be gay *Roll Eyes*

[-Shamil-]

I hope you know what you're implying *Roll Eyes*
im not implying anything bro *Roll Eyes*

[Abu Mus'ab]

im not implying anything bro *Roll Eyes*
That's good to hear *Roll Eyes*

You'd better not be having any ulterior motives *Roll Eyes*

[RashidD]

Why the question btw? :)

[uhkt_al'muminun]

As, hey Abdulallah aka silent_mujahidah (personal joke) lol...:D i no dis has nothin 2do wid dis topic but i knew dis is da only place i can find u girl lol! yep ive sighned up nw, so wen eva just pm init! oh yh tell mama n baba i send my sallamz:D even doh ill b wid u wen ur readdin dis.....lol

nuff love sis :inlove:

LOOOOL.... na'am yasin...:D
sis seriously u need 2 just stop stalking me man hehe!
so wat u sayin sis u man utr hubbt 2 wear niqab den lol...

[uhkt_al'muminun]

When I first read that I thought, "What in the name is 'Brudas'"

I get it now, it's brothers. :p

sorry uhkty... i cant help but writing the way i speak, ill no better nxt tym insh'Allah lol

[uhkt_al'muminun]

Why the question btw? :)


well i cud go in 2 detail why i ask but ill just keep it simple and say im just a curious person :rolleyes:

[Kal-El]

I don't personally mind :coolbro: But I think the question should be equally to the sisters aswell. E.g. would you wear it if your husband wanted you to?

[Cristiana]

Its encouraged jealousy akhee, between the husband and wife (not sure if it can apply to other relations) but when like you don't want no other man clocking your wife.

Or you get annoyed/upset if your wife was to display herself to anyone but you etc.

Gheerah : cos shes worth it *cool bearded bro*

LOL

As I understand it "gheera" is a good kind of jealousy...it's different from being possessive, but it's a "sweet pride thing"(not in the extreme!).

FOR EXAMPLE, once I was having coffee with my fiancé and he went to get the drinks. As he was trying to explain something, I noticed the way the Nero girl was looking and smiling at him... and I wanted to gauge her eyes out:D I was looking at her as if i wanted to burn holes in her face :boom: :love: :love: :love:

I didn't really get upset, especially I didn't take it out on HIM because he had done nothing wrong...and after 30 seconds I was ok. And I bet he was flattered:D

This is gheera right?

[Cristiana]

I don't personally mind :coolbro: But I think the question should be equally to the sisters aswell. E.g. would you wear it if your husband wanted you to?


As I understand it, that's something you do for Allah alone, not to please your husband... YES? ....NO?

[Al-ghurabah]

i dont mind my wife dont wear niqaab im ok with it

[uhkt_al'muminun]

I don't personally mind :coolbro: But I think the question should be equally to the sisters aswell. E.g. would you wear it if your husband wanted you to?


hmmm intresting, good question... how about you open your own thread and ask your own q's rather then trina take over mine huh...? :D :D

according to my knowlegde (which is very limited :( ) i understand that da Quran and sunnah teaches the wife to obey her husband so long as he is not leading her to da hellfire (by making/telling her to do haram in any way).

Muhammed s.a.w said: "No creature should be obeyed in matters that involve disobeying the Creator." [Ahmad and al-Haakim; authentic]

Rather if he tells/asks her to do something especially if it is something which Allah s.w.t has encouraged in the deen (something which is sunnah but not fardh upon us) then we are to obey insh'Allah. Also i would just like to empahsize that obeying your husband is not a form of shirk, nor does it make a women less superior in the eyes of Allah, nor does it make us not have a mind of our own or make us seem as if we do not have our own voices as the non mulsims (and some muslms may see it). Rather this is a sign of ones imaan, ones sabr, ones love for Allah s.w.t and rasool s.a.w, this is a sign of wanting and striving for the akhirah and realizing dat u and i are only here as travellers.

obeying ones husband is more attracitve in the eyes Allah then rather then making yourself look attractive and disobeying him (if that makes sense ).

Abdullah bin Abee Awfaa (R) reported that the Messenger (SAWS) said: "By Him in whose Hand is Muhammad's soul, a woman will not fulfil her Lord's right until she fulfills her husband's right." [Ahmad and others; authentic]

And Anas (R) reported that the Messenger (SAWS) said: "When a woman prays her five prayers, fasts her month (of Ramadan), preserves her chastity, and obeys her husband, then she may enter the Jannah (Paradise) from any door she chooses." [Ahmad and others; authentic]

so my answer is yes if my husband asked me or even advised me 2 wear da niqab i would do so insh'Allah tala. for the reasons i have given above.

walsam :1peace:

[Abu Muslim]

LOL

As I understand it "gheera" is a good kind of jealousy...it's different from being possessive, but it's a "sweet pride thing"(not in the extreme!).

FOR EXAMPLE, once I was having coffee with my fiancé and he went to get the drinks. As he was trying to explain something, I noticed the way the Nero girl was looking and smiling at him... and I wanted to gauge her eyes out:D I was looking at her as if i wanted to burn holes in her face :boom: :love: :love: :love:

I didn't really get upset, especially I didn't take it out on HIM because he had done nothing wrong...and after 30 seconds I was ok. And I bet he was flattered:D

This is gheera right?

Indeed ukthi, this could be seen as an example masha'Allah, good thing you got it. You dont like nero girls smiling at your husband, and rightly so. One thing you forgot though..you shoulda gauged her eyes out with a fork [only joking , however I do not condom violent acts carried out due to gheerah]

As I understand it, that's something you do for Allah alone, not to please your husband... YES? ....NO?

By pleasing your husband..you also please Allah swt. You can please Allah SWT by fullfilling his commands and obeying your husband. Its a no lose situation. *smiles*

[Kubs]

Up to the wife at the end of the day. If she chooses to wear it, mashAllah.....if her husband prefers she put it on despite her not wanting too, then she shouldn't wear the veil. Otherwise it wouldn't be genuine and she'd only wear the nikab to make her husband happy. She should 'want' to wear the veil, not 'forced' too.

[Al-Irhaab]

id tell her to wear it, if she said no id explain to her the virtues of wearing it, if she still said no id order her to wear it... simple as... :rolleyes:

[Kubs]

id tell her to wear it, if she said no id explain to her the virtues of wearing it, if she still said no id order her to wear it... simple as... :rolleyes:

What if she still says no?

If you order her to wear it, then in that case you have to tell her this 'before' you get married, that's if she doesn't wear the veil. Otherwise you have no right to 'force' her to put on the nikab after the marriage if you haven't made it clear before the nikah that you wanted her to.

[Al-Irhaab]

What if she still says no?

If you order her to wear it, then in that case you have to tell her this 'before' you get married, that's if she doesn't wear the veil. Otherwise you have no right to 'force' her to put on the nikab after the marriage if you haven't made it clear before the nikah that you wanted her to.


ill tell her before.. but even if someone didnt, theyre in their full right to 'force' her... :rolleyes:

[Kubs]

ill tell her before.. but even if someone didnt, theyre in their full right to 'force' her... :rolleyes:

lol, I hope you're joking.

If you're not then I honestly feel sorry for your future wife. Nikab is compulsory and forcing someone to put it on shows you have no respect for her decision. It doesn't make it genuine and she'll only be wearing it to please you.....and any right minded woman would object to this.

[sunrise]

I'd ask her 2 wear it too:inlove:

[Abu Mus'ab]

lol, I hope you're joking.

If you're not then I honestly feel sorry for your future wife. Nikab is compulsory and forcing someone to put it on shows you have no respect for her decision. It doesn't make it genuine and she'll only be wearing it to please you.....and any right minded woman would object to this.
I think you need to re read your post again *Roll Eyes*

[Kubs]

I think you need to re read your post again *Roll Eyes*

*not compulsory :rolleyes:

[MalikOne™]

Id encourage it but id be cool wit it if she didnt wana wear it

[Al-Irhaab]

lol, I hope you're joking.

If you're not then I honestly feel sorry for your future wife. Nikab is compulsory and forcing someone to put it on shows you have no respect for her decision. It doesn't make it genuine and she'll only be wearing it to please you.....and any right minded woman would object to this.

i dont have respect for her decision no... its not her job to decide how to best keep her safe outside... its my job... its wot i will be accounted for... i dont care what reason shes wearing it for... if shes wearing it to please allah (swt) then fine, if shes wearing it to obey me and thus please allah (swT) fine... any right minded woman would not object to wearing nikaab if her husband wanted her to... :rolleyes: oh you dont need to feel sorry for her , she probs feels sorry for herself... then again she might feel sorry for me :rubeyes:

[Kubs]

I don't personally mind :coolbro: But I think the question should be equally to the sisters aswell. E.g. would you wear it if your husband wanted you to?


No.

If I choose to wear the Nikab in the future, once I have proper evidence that it is compulsory, then I'd like to wear the veil out of my own choice rather than my future husband pressurising me into it.

[Kubs]

i dont have respect for her decision no... its not her job to decide how to best keep her safe outside... its my job... its wot i will be accounted for... i dont care what reason shes wearing it for... if shes wearing it to please allah (swt) then fine, if shes wearing it to obey me and thus please allah (swT) fine... any right minded woman would not object to wearing nikaab if her husband wanted her to... :rolleyes: oh you dont need to feel sorry for her , she probs feels sorry for herself... then again she might feel sorry for me :rubeyes:

Then I strongly advise you to speak to your future wife about this BEFORE you get married.....that's if she isn't wearing the veil in the first place.

Any right minded woman wouldn't allow her husband to FORCE her to wear the veil...since he seemed interested in marrying her when she wasn't wearing it.

If you want you're wife to put on the nikab then why don't you just marry a muslimah who already has it on..?

Also, the veil hasn't been proved compulsory...DIFFERENCE in opinions....she might not think the veil is required.....you think otherwise....what you going to do? Force her? Hit her?

[Umm 'Umarah]

No.

If I choose to wear the Nikab in the future, once I have proper evidence that it is compulsory, then I'd like to wear the veil out of my own choice rather than my future husband pressurising me into it.

So as it stands now...you wouldn't wear a Niqaab because you haven't been given 'proper' evidence of it being compulsory?
If you base your decision on that....then you'll find that many Scholars differ on the matter....many say it is compulsory many say it isnt...
thats where your own sense of judgement and your Taqwa comes into it.

[Fais]

I think you need to re read your post again *Roll Eyes*

LOl that made me laugh.

[Kubs]

So as it stands now...you wouldn't wear a Niqaab because you haven't been given 'proper' evidence of it being compulsory?
If you base your decision on that....then you'll find that many Scholars differ on the matter....many say it is compulsory many say it isnt...
thats where your own sense of judgement and your Taqwa comes into it.

Proper evidence. No.

Do I think it is compulsory in today's time? No

Is the Nikab necessary? No

Are the sisters in the West required to wear niqab? No. Because wearing niqab can entail hardship for sisters, act as an obstacle to da'wah, and subject sisters to harassment.

Can a Husband force his wife to put on the niqab? Absolutely not. The husband is not a dictator over his wife. He is obligated to respect her rights, treat her with compassion, and cherish her.

[Abu Mus'ab]

Proper evidence. No.

Do I think it is compulsory in today's time? No

Is the Nikab necessary? No

Are the sisters in the West required to wear niqab? No. Because wearing niqab can entail hardship for sisters, act as an obstacle to da'wah, and subject sisters to harassment.

Can a Husband force his wife to put on the niqab? Absolutely not. The husband is not a dictator over his wife. He is obligated to respect her rights, treat her with compassion, and cherish her.
Now back those statements up with shari daleel, otherwise keep your comments to yourself.

[Al-Irhaab]

Proper evidence. No.

Do I think it is compulsory in today's time? No

Is the Nikab necessary? No

Are the sisters in the West required to wear niqab? No. Because wearing niqab can entail hardship for sisters, act as an obstacle to da'wah, and subject sisters to harassment.

Can a Husband force his wife to put on the niqab? Absolutely not. The husband is not a dictator over his wife. He is obligated to respect her rights, treat her with compassion, and cherish her.

the husband is the shepard over his wife, he is only obliged to consult her in affairs.... a husband can cherish his wife and understand that the best thing for her is to wear a niqaab so he can order her to wear a niqaab :rolleyes: yes a husband can force his wife to wear a niqaab ask any alim and he will tell you it is well within his rights, he can force her to stay at home, he can force her to not go out beyond a certain time or not go out to certain places... obviously the best situation is where the husband says to his wife it is better for u to do such and such and the wife does it without neccessitating the husband to order but if she dont... then shame ... her rights? she has the right to be fed clothed, loved, her kids treated well, consulted... and she has the right to be protected and she has the right to be silent and obey her husband :rolleyes:

if it subjects her to harrasment then that is up to the husband to decide what to do... but personally he shld tell her to stay home then, cus if shes gonna be harassed for wearing nikaab shes gonna be harassed for wearing jalbab and khimar... obstacle to dawah? dont think so , plenty of sisters doing great dawah with nikab mashallah

[Ebony]

Why does this topic creep up again so often? :eek3: alongside the polygyny one?

Some men would like their wife to do niqaab, other's wouldn't mind whether she does or doesn't and then there's the 3rd lot who would not want her to wear niqaab at all.

Since there is ikhtilaaf on the issue - there is no blanket answer; what one might prefer the other may not and neither is right or wrong.

Polygyny is a different issue. But really do we need to go round in circles on this matter? Its like a dog chasing its own tail... :nuts:

[TEH]

lol, Kubra I wouldnt worry too much about Al Irhaab, he will certainly marry someone who already wears niqaab...so if you get the feeling that he is a beastly barbarian, dont take it to heart, he is a softie in real life, worry not..

:D

[Al-Irhaab]

lol, Kubra I wouldnt worry too much about Al Irhaab, he will certainly marry someone who already wears niqaab...so if you get the feeling that he is a beastly barbarian, dont take it to heart, he is a softie in real life, worry not..

:D

i aint a softy man :torture: im mean and cruel and barbaric :(

[Azim-Al-Islam]

Niqab in rough areas like brixton, hijab in nice areas like tootin/greenst

[MalikOne™]

Niqab in rough areas like brixton, hijab in nice areas like tootin/greenst

no one wud seriously bother a sista in brixton fam unless they got a deathwish

[ur_yusra]

What if she still says no?

If you order her to wear it, then in that case you have to tell her this 'before' you get married, that's if she doesn't wear the veil. Otherwise you have no right to 'force' her to put on the nikab after the marriage if you haven't made it clear before the nikah that you wanted her to.

If you really do NOT want to wear the niqaab then discuss this with the potential spouse and marry him if both your views are in line with eachother. The niqaab itself is a blessing in many ways and maybe one day you'll grow to love it and wear it independant of the hubby.

[Umm 'Umarah]

Proper evidence. No.

what evidence have you been shown/given so far?
please elaborate on what do you mean by "proper" evidence?

is the Daleel you have been given so far improper? flawed? what?

Do I think it is compulsory in today's time? No

Is this your opinion or the scholarly opinion?

Is the Nikab necessary? No

why do you believe it isnt?

Are the sisters in the West required to wear niqab? No. Because wearing niqab can entail hardship for sisters, act as an obstacle to da'wah, and subject sisters to harassment.

so... would you rather be sexually harassed than resort to Niqaab?

according to who? da'wah with where, when and with who? :rubeyes:
Sister, we dont have to conform to any society or compromise our deen to give Da'wah, wearing the Niqaab in itself is Da'wah..one Muslimah see another sister observing it and this may give her inspiration to wear it...many non-Muslims also ask.. in which case good manners and a brief explanation comes into it.

since when do we compromise our deen for the West? everyone will answer for their own actions....but overall....It is not an obligation for women to give da'wah to anyone and everyone- if a women wishes to give Da'wah she should start by to increase her knowledge of Islam, make firm her deen and Taqwa of Allah(SWT)...with her sisters and in the community around her.


Can a Husband force his wife to put on the niqab? Absolutely not. The husband is not a dictator over his wife. He is obligated to respect her rights, treat her with compassion, and cherish her.

there is no compulsion in religion, however if the husband wishes for his wife to do something which would on the whole be better for her..the protection of his wife...and to please Allah(SWT) the wife should feel obliged to do so.

[Kubs]

the husband is the shepard over his wife, he is only obliged to consult her in affairs.... a husband can cherish his wife and understand that the best thing for her is to wear a niqaab so he can order her to wear a niqaab :rolleyes: yes a husband can force his wife to wear a niqaab ask any alim and he will tell you it is well within his rights, he can force her to stay at home, he can force her to not go out beyond a certain time or not go out to certain places... obviously the best situation is where the husband says to his wife it is better for u to do such and such and the wife does it without neccessitating the husband to order but if she dont... then shame ... her rights? she has the right to be fed clothed, loved, her kids treated well, consulted... and she has the right to be protected and she has the right to be silent and obey her husband :rolleyes:

if it subjects her to harrasment then that is up to the husband to decide what to do... but personally he shld tell her to stay home then, cus if shes gonna be harassed for wearing nikaab shes gonna be harassed for wearing jalbab and khimar... obstacle to dawah? dont think so , plenty of sisters doing great dawah with nikab mashallah

Dear dear me, I am suprised....actually shocked by the highlighted parts.

Women stay indoors all the time? Women not go out? Women prisoners in their own homes? Women obey their husband alll the time? Women have no right to play part in making decisions in the house alongside their husband? Women should be silent and have no voice in expressing her opinions whatsoever? Women should be forced to wear the niqab?.........what else? How can Muslim women be considered part of the Ummah if half of them are stuck at home?

Everything you stated above is absolute nonsense. The idea about women's role being limited to housework is, however, a creation of you’re own mind and is not based on what Allah and Prophet Muhammad have given us. Muslim women can and should involve themselves in other affairs of Islam and Muslims according to their abilities, availability of time and energy. Islam puts absolutely no limit to the level of women's involvement in the affairs of Islam and Muslims. If a nikabi lady is subject to violence and harassment in the west it doesn’t literally mean they should be stuck at home and feed the children.

he can force her to stay at home, he can force her to not go out beyond a certain time or not go out to certain places... obviously

The point I’m trying to make is that as far as Islam itself is concerned, it would like to see women participate in the affairs of Islam and Muslims.....without neglecting their obligations as mothers, wives, etc. How can they do so if their husbands ‘force’ them to stay at home and cook….and in your opinion these men should be listened and be obeyed? Is this what you call equal treatment between husbands and wives? Doesn’t Islam state that both men and women are equal? What you just stated above goes against this 100%.

You might reply back saying: "Yes, women can participate in every area of the collective life of the Ummah, but it is better if they don't to avoid harassment." Well, what I’m saying here is that it is positively desirable and sometimes obligatory that women, like men, participate in the collective affairs of the Ummah whenever they can. This is because the Quran clearly states that acquiring and propagating Islamic knowledge, calling people to God, are not meant for men only but all Muslims whether men or women. Preventing your wife from going out would mean going against one of the most important principles of Islam.....the act of da'wah.

In my opinion if a Muslim woman senses a possible danger to herself, adjusting her attire (veil) to minimize the chances of physical attack is a logical and Islamically permissible precaution. Isn't the hijab (scarf) enough to prevent women from being sexually harassed? OFCOURSE it is! Locking her inside the house is not healthy neither will it benefit her and the society in the long run.

I am not suprised that non muslims consider Muslim women to be oppressed if most men like yourself believe that Muslim womens roles are limited to the housework.....and nothing else.

[Al-Irhaab]

Dear dear me, I am suprised....actually shocked by the highlighted parts.

Women stay indoors all the time? Women not go out? Women prisoners in their own homes? Women obey their husband alll the time? Women have no right to play part in making decisions in the house alongside their husband? Women should be silent and have no voice in expressing her opinions whatsoever? Women should be forced to wear the niqab?.........what else? How can Muslim women be considered part of the Ummah if half of them are stuck at home?

Everything you stated above is absolute nonsense. The idea about women's role being limited to housework is, however, a creation of you’re own mind and is not based on what Allah and Prophet Muhammad have given us. Muslim women can and should involve themselves in other affairs of Islam and Muslims according to their abilities, availability of time and energy. Islam puts absolutely no limit to the level of women's involvement in the affairs of Islam and Muslims. If a nikabi lady is subject to violence and harassment in the west it doesn’t literally mean they should be stuck at home and feed the children.



The point I’m trying to make is that as far as Islam itself is concerned, it would like to see women participate in the affairs of Islam and Muslims.....without neglecting their obligations as mothers, wives, etc. How can they do so if their husbands ‘force’ them to stay at home and cook….and in your opinion these men should be listened and be obeyed? Is this what you call equal treatment between husbands and wives? Doesn’t Islam state that both men and women are equal? What you just stated above goes against this 100%.

You might reply back saying: "Yes, women can participate in every area of the collective life of the Ummah, but it is better if they don't to avoid harassment." Well, what I’m saying here is that it is positively desirable and sometimes obligatory that women, like men, participate in the collective affairs of the Ummah whenever they can. This is because the Quran clearly states that acquiring and propagating Islamic knowledge, calling people to God, are not meant for men only but all Muslims whether men or women. Preventing your wife from going out would mean going against one of the most important principles of Islam.....the act of da'wah.

In my opinion if a Muslim woman senses a possible danger to herself, adjusting her attire (veil) to minimize the chances of physical attack is a logical and Islamically permissible precaution. Isn't the hijab (scarf) enough to prevent women from being sexually harassed? OFCOURSE it is! Locking her inside the house is not healthy neither will it benefit her and the society in the long run.

I am not suprised that non muslims consider Muslim women to be oppressed if most men like yourself believe that Muslim womens roles are limited to the housework.....and nothing else.

to be quite frank i couldnt care less if the non muslims found islam to be oppressive or not... allah (SwT) guides whom he wills and misguides whom he wills... im not gonna change the deen of allah (Swt) to make them happy... :rolleyes: the womans place primarily is at home as the prophet (SaW) said... after that is sorted then she can look to what is halal for her to go out, ie visit friends and family, shopping, study, work etc etc.. but her primary objective and duty is to her home and family... as for the niqaab... yes the husband has every right to address upon her his opinion and what is best for her... and she has no due course of action but to obey as the husband is in charge over her.. that is the law of allah (Swt) if you dont like it or find it oppressive then what can i say? at the end of the day a wife might find it appropriate for her to catch a bus home in the dark... that dont mean the husband does... and if he says to her no then she obeys... end of story...