Guantanamo: what we can do... [Archive] - Ummah.com

aisha83

03-01-07, 12:08 AM

http://forthesakeofallah.blogspot.com/2006/12/gitmo-what-you-can-do.html

Despite widespread international condemnation, hundreds of people of more than 30 nationalities remain there.The US administration chose Guantánamo as the location for this detention facility in an attempt to keep the detainees out of the reach of the US courts.

The totality of the detention regime in Guantánamo – harsh, indefinite, isolating and punitive – amounts to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment in violation of international law.
The detainees and their families face severe psychological distress. In desperation, numerous detainees have embarked on hunger strikes, being kept alive through painful force feeding procedures.

A number have attempted suicide. In June 2006, three detainees were found dead in their cells; they had apparently hanged themselves. As more evidence surfaces that the abuse of Guantánamo detainees has been widespread, condemnation at home and abroad increases. Amnesty International was one of the first voices to call for the camp to be closed, and many other organizations, institutions and individuals have since expressed their outrage at the detention centre.

On 29 June 2006, the US Supreme Court ruled that the military commissions established by President Bush to try "war on terror" detainees were unlawful. Instead of using the ruling as a springboard for change, the US government responded with new legislation – the Military Commissions Act 2006 - further restricting judicial review of detentions and providing for the trial by military commission of foreign nationals held by the US anywhere in the world as "enemy combatants".

This act undermines basic principles of justice and opens the door to more human rights violations and impunity in the name of counter-terror. Guantánamo is a symbol of this injustice. The US government must close it. Detainees must either be released will full protections or charged and tried in full and fair proceedings.

Take Action!

If you are from a country outside the USA, write to the US Ambassador in your country calling on him to:

- Relay your concerns to the relevant authorities in the US administration;

- Support your call for the closure of Guantánamo and for all those held to be fairly tried or released;

- Respond to your concerns within a reasonable time.

Go to the official list of US embassies to find the means of contact of the US Embassy in your country: http://usembassy.state.gov/

If you are from the USA, please visit: http://believe.amnestyusa.org/site/c.igLQIUOCKtF/b.2070843/k.BDE5/Home.htm

For a sample letter, please visit:
http://web.amnesty.org/pages/usa-100106-action-eng

Source: Amnesty International

Tertullian2

03-01-07, 12:51 AM

aisha83

03-01-07, 01:09 AM

I know what you can do about Guantanamo: Write your local jihadi's and demand that they join civilzation and quit bombing farmers markets in Iraq and Afgahanistan.

Insist that the jihadi nut jobs quit fighting. Only then will those enemy combantants go back to their rocky fields and loose the weight they have been gaining with the quality food they are given.

dude, are you on the same planet? :rubeyes:

These people are being held in Guantanamo indefinitely without trial, without adequate legal facilities and being brutally tortured. Most of these people have been arrested and dumped in Gitmo prior to Iraq and Afghanistan's suicide bombings!

There isn't even sufficient evidence to hold so many of the detainess yet they remain there.

This action plan is for all those who will and can help inshAllah.

Tertullian2

03-01-07, 01:15 AM

dude, are you on the same planet? :rubeyes:

These people are being held in Guantanamo indefinitely without trial, without adequate legal facilities and being brutally tortured. Most of these people have been arrested and dumped in Gitmo prior to Iraq and Afghanistan's suicide bombings!

There isn't even sufficient evidence to hold so many of the detainess yet they remain there.

This action plan is for all those who will and can help inshAllah.
I am in a country that had 3000 innocent civilians slaughtered by Islamic radicals. I am in a country that is currently at war with the Taleban and al-Qaida in Iraq.

I simply do not want the prisoners of war we hold to be released until the war is over. It's very easy to end the war - lay down your arms.

That's all.

~Soul~

03-01-07, 01:19 AM

aisha83

03-01-07, 01:20 AM

I am in a country that had 3000 innocent civilians slaughtered by Islamic radicals. I am in a country that is currently at war with the Taleban and al-Qaida in Iraq.

I simply do not want the prisoners of war we hold to be released until the war is over. It's very easy to end the war - lay down your arms.

That's all.
I sympathise with those 3000.

I am in a world where near enough three quarters of a million people have been killed due to an illegal occupation.

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article15266.htm

I feel for all those who have died due to a dirty illegal war which has consumed the livelihoods of innocent civilians slaughtered by the American soldiers and the American government.

Enough said

Tertullian2

03-01-07, 01:22 AM

get a life....muslims do not lay down there arms until there is no more muslims suffering in the world...
Well, then these folks in Gitmo will die natural deaths there. Too bad. I really like peace and quiet.

Tertullian2

03-01-07, 01:25 AM

I sympathise with those 3000.

I am in a world where near enough three quarters of a million people have been killed due to an illegal occupation.

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article15266.htm

I feel for all those who have died due to a dirty illegal war which has consumed the livelihoods of innocent civilians slaughtered by the American soldiers and the American government.

Enough said

I wish it never had to happen. Honestly.

BTW, are you including Israeli's and American diplomats in that 750,000 that have died?

~Soul~

03-01-07, 01:27 AM

Well, then these folks in Gitmo will die natural deaths there. Too bad. I really like peace and quiet.those muslims are in guntanomo because americans dont have ani justice they are keepin them there for no reason....u expecting us to put down our arms when our brothers and sisters are being treated unjustly everywere?

until there is justice then war is gonna go on....we are losing many but remmeber that as long as the war goes on u will lose many too

Tertullian2

03-01-07, 01:30 AM

those muslims are in guntanomo because americans dont have ani justice they are keepin them there for no reason....u expecting us to put down our arms when our brothers and sisters are being treated unjustly everywere?

until there is justice then war is gonna go on....we are losing many but remmeber that as long as the war goes on u will lose many too
That's all fine. If you want war, you have it. Just stop griping when we hold prisoners.

BTW, how would you treat American soldiers if you captured them? Geneva Conventions? Habeas Corpus? Access to court systems?

Really, I want to know.

aisha83

03-01-07, 01:31 AM

That's all fine. If you want war, you have it. Just stop griping when we hold prisoners.

BTW, how would you treat American soldiers if you captured them? Geneva Conventions? Habeas Corpus? Access to court systems?

Really, I want to know.

they would be treated a hell of a lot better than in abu ghuraib.

Now get some rest and quit whining! :rolleyes:

aisha83

03-01-07, 01:35 AM

I wish it never had to happen. Honestly.

BTW, are you including Israeli's and American diplomats in that 750,000 that have died?

of the 655,000 (to be precise) that have died, it's hardly likely that the Israeli and American diplomats would be of a significant number to change the figures of the number that Iraqi that have died.

Muslims also died in the World Trade Centre attacks, if you must know!

~Soul~

03-01-07, 01:36 AM

they would be treated a hell of a lot better than in abu ghuraib.

Now get some rest and quit whining! :rolleyes:exactly

Tertullian2

03-01-07, 01:40 AM

exactly
You know, I never have had a Muslim answer that question. Why is that such a hard one for you guys?

Again, if an American soldier were to be captured by jihadi's, how would he be treated?

A. A trial?

B. Placement in a POW camp until hostilities are over?

C. Beheading?

~Soul~

03-01-07, 01:43 AM

aisha83

03-01-07, 01:43 AM

You know, I never have had a Muslim answer that question. Why is that such a hard one for you guys?

Again, if an American soldier were to be captured by jihadi's, how would he be treated?

A. A trial?

B. Placement in a POW camp until hostilities are over?

C. Beheading?

Allahu alim (Allah swt knows best) what each and every individual would do.

check this ..... Islamically this is how they would be treated

http://www.islamonline.net/english/introducingislam/politics/System/article05.shtml

good night

~Soul~

03-01-07, 01:48 AM

A:rolleyes:which mite end up as a beheading :D

the saint

03-01-07, 08:34 AM

I know what you can do about Guantanamo: Write your local jihadi's and demand that they join civilzation and quit bombing farmers markets in Iraq and Afgahanistan.

Insist that the jihadi nut jobs quit fighting. Only then will those enemy combantants go back to their rocky fields and loose the weight they have been gaining with the quality food they are given.

Tert, why won't you do the right thing? Instead of rendering ridiculous and impractical advice, why don't you ask your president to practice what he preaches all the time? Virtues of democracy, freedom and so on!

the saint

03-01-07, 09:06 AM

You know, I never have had a Muslim answer that question. Why is that such a hard one for you guys?

Again, if an American soldier were to be captured by jihadi's, how would he be treated?

A. A trial?

B. Placement in a POW camp until hostilities are over?

C. Beheading?

Ask yourself, how jihadis are treated by the coalition? Ask yourself how the coalition treats the average Iraqi? People, it avowedly set out to liberate but ended-up killiing a million or almost!

Ask yourself, how the coalition treats the average Afghani?

Na'eemah

03-01-07, 09:15 AM

Tertullian2

03-01-07, 09:30 AM

Ask yourself, how jihadis are treated by the coalition? Ask yourself how the coalition treats the average Iraqi? People, it avowedly set out to liberate but ended-up killiing a million or almost!

Ask yourself, how the coalition treats the average Afghani?
The original question was about prisoners of war - not average citizens. This is where I am asking for some clarfication.

By the way, I am guessing that the "average Afghani" is very happy to be out from underneath the Taliban. Not that what is there now is some Nervana, but it HAS to be better than under a regime that regulated every small detail of your life.

Also, the Coalition has been spending billions on infrastructure to improve the lives of "Average Iraqis", what have your al-qaeda friends done to help? That's right - bomb the infrastructure to smitherines. Nice guys.

Al-ghurabah

03-01-07, 09:34 AM

The original question was about prisoners of war - not average citizens. This is where I am asking for some clarfication.

By the way, I am guessing that the "average Afghani" is very happy to be out from underneath the Taliban. Not that what is there now is some Nervana, but it HAS to be better than under a regime that regulated every small detail of your life.

Also, the Coalition has been spending billions on infrastructure to improve the lives of "Average Iraqis", what have your al-qaeda friends done to help? That's right - bomb the infrastructure to smitherines. Nice guys.

who said you can just go invade any country in the first place???

have you not herd of abu ghraib.. how the USa army took pictures, tortured people.. made them do sexual acts.. have you not seen how the army raped young girland killed all her family..
have you not seen how the usa sends detainees to other countries for torture.. extra ordinary rendition..
stop acting so stupid.. come back to reality

Tertullian2

03-01-07, 09:43 AM

who said you can just go invade any country in the first place???

have you not herd of abu ghraib.. how the USa army took pictures, tortured people.. made them do sexual acts..

Have you not heard that the American perpetrators of Abu Ghraib are now in prison? Does that mean nothing to you?

have you not seen how the army raped young girland killed all her family..

Have you not seen that these soldiers are now on trial for this incident? Does that mean nothing to you?

have you not seen how the usa sends detainees to other countries for torture.. extra ordinary rendition..
I have heard about that and it appears that it has prevented some major attacks.

stop acting so stupid.. come back to reality
Can you tell me why it's beneficial for the jihadi's to attack newly re-build electical sub-stations in Iraq? Or what is the strategic value in blowing up families in open air market places? How about attacks on the oil business or the cell phone contractors in Iraq, why are they legitimate targets?

Do you think that these attacks help the average Iraqi?

~Soul~

03-01-07, 09:45 AM

I have heard about that and it appears that it has prevented some major attacks.
soo now its alrite to torture ppl as long as it prevents "major attacks" :rolleyes:

Tertullian2

03-01-07, 09:48 AM

soo now its alrite to torture ppl as long as it prevents "major attacks" :rolleyes:
Uhhhhh . . . . . yeah. Would you prefer we just roll over and act as we did in the '90s? Dumb question, yes you would prefer that.

Al-ghurabah

03-01-07, 09:48 AM

Can you tell me why it's beneficial for the jihadi's to attack newly re-build electical sub-stations in Iraq? Or what is the strategic value in blowing up families in open air market places? How about attacks on the oil business or the cell phone contractors in Iraq, why are they legitimate targets?

Do you think that these attacks help the average Iraqi?[/quote]

the mujahideen many times said they do not bomb markets etc.. they will not attack muslims.. they do atack police stations etc..

there would be no attck or killings or civil unrest if usa didnt go into iraq on a lie.. massive lie..
you think torturing is ok..

~Soul~

03-01-07, 09:50 AM

Uhhhhh . . . . . yeah. Would you prefer we just roll over and act as we did in the '90s? Dumb question, yes you would prefer that.and u call ure country just :rolleyes:
most of those ppl sent off to be tortured are innocent and the only reason there gettin tortured is to get an answer out of them that the US will like

Tertullian2

03-01-07, 09:58 AM

the mujahideen many times said they do not bomb markets etc.. they will not attack muslims.. they do atack police stations etc..

there would be no attck or killings or civil unrest if usa didnt go into iraq on a lie.. massive lie..
you think torturing is ok..
Well they say it, but I don't believe them. The US doesn't need car bombs to randomly kill people. They have airplanes and helicopters.

I do not like torture. But we probably have a different definition of the word. To me, applying pressure to extract information does not have to be torture. It can be uncomfortable - even miserable, but there are Internationally accepted definitions of pressure that fall short of torture.

To you, perhaps any Muslilm just being captured and held against his will by kufr is torture.

BTW, the random killings would be greatly lessened if the foreign Jihadis' would not have flooded into Iraq.

The great irony is that if your Muji's had just left well enough alone and allowed the Iraqi's to get on with a new government, the US presence in Iraq would be dwindeling by now. Instead, your Sunni Muji's are causing the Shiite Muji's to recruite more and more nuts and America is talking about a troop boost.

Smart - real smart.

aisha83

03-01-07, 11:11 AM

The original question was about prisoners of war - not average citizens. This is where I am asking for some clarfication.

By the way, I am guessing that the "average Afghani" is very happy to be out from underneath the Taliban. Not that what is there now is some Nervana, but it HAS to be better than under a regime that regulated every small detail of your life.

Also, the Coalition has been spending billions on infrastructure to improve the lives of "Average Iraqis", what have your al-qaeda friends done to help? That's right - bomb the infrastructure to smitherines. Nice guys.

for clarification, the original post was about helping Guantanamo, ifyou have no constructive advice, Tert I'd be really very happy if no more comments were made to start an argument.

Allahu Alim (Allah knows best)

aisha83

03-01-07, 01:11 PM

Well they say it, but I don't believe them. The US doesn't need car bombs to randomly kill people. They have airplanes and helicopters.

I do not like torture. But we probably have a different definition of the word. To me, applying pressure to extract information does not have to be torture. It can be uncomfortable - even miserable, but there are Internationally accepted definitions of pressure that fall short of torture.

http://forthesakeofallah.blogspot.com/2007/01/gitmo-mistreatment-of-detainees.html

check it out - definitely not internationally accepted

myself

04-01-07, 09:11 PM

what we can do...Make sincere Dua during the best prescribed times when it is most likely to be answered. :rubeyes:

MangoChutney

05-01-07, 06:16 AM

That's all fine. If you want war, you have it. Just stop griping when we hold prisoners.

BTW, how would you treat American soldiers if you captured them? Geneva Conventions? Habeas Corpus? Access to court systems?

Really, I want to know.

i think Yvonne Ridley answers your question...

Oh and BTW, not all those imprisoned in Gitmo are actual POW, some, if not most, were just taken after they're homes were raided. You have children from ages of 9 in these American/European based prisons..

Tertullian2

05-01-07, 01:31 PM

i think Yvonne Ridley answers your question...

Oh and BTW, not all those imprisoned in Gitmo are actual POW, some, if not most, were just taken after they're homes were raided. You have children from ages of 9 in these American/European based prisons..
With all due respect, I believe you are reading too much Islamist propaganda.

Please think about it. Take a breath . . . . .OK. Why would anybody spend the time and money that the US is spending on holding 9 year olds in POW camps?

Also, why would the US go through the trouble of randomly sending Afghani and Iraqi citizens all the way to Cuba? It's completley irrational. We work on a principle that is forgeign to the Muslim world; it's call "Cost/Benefit Analysis". If there is no benefit to holding someone - we don't.

Now, I will admit that innocent people have been arrested. But everyone goes through several layers of interrogation which may happen at different facilities. Many get released. Many may be retained. But the worst of the worst go to Gitmo. They are not shipped there "just because." It's too expensive to ship the average Ali all the way there.

UnoDosTres

05-01-07, 05:49 PM

Can you tell me why it's beneficial for the jihadi's to attack newly re-build electical sub-stations in Iraq? Or what is the strategic value in blowing up families in open air market places? How about attacks on the oil business or the cell phone contractors in Iraq, why are they legitimate targets?

Do you think that these attacks help the average Iraqi?

the mujahideen many times said they do not bomb markets etc.. they will not attack muslims.. they do atack police stations etc..

there would be no attck or killings or civil unrest if usa didnt go into iraq on a lie.. massive lie..
you think torturing is ok..[/QUOTE]

So who do you think is bombing the markets, Shia mosques, etc.?

Tertullian2

05-01-07, 06:16 PM

the mujahideen many times said they do not bomb markets etc.. they will not attack muslims.. they do atack police stations etc..
If I were the Sunni terrorists, I would say the same thing. I think they lie through there teeth. The U.S. captured a letter from Zarki to Zawahiri telling him that Al-Qaeda in Iraq hoped to foment a civil war. I believe that. It makes a lot of strategic sense (if you are a ruthless blood sucking terrorist).

there would be no attck or killings or civil unrest if usa didnt go into iraq on a lie.. massive lie..
you think torturing is ok..
It's OK to critcize the U.S. foreign presence in Iraq. I understand that. But why is the Syrian, Jordanian, Saudi, Yemeni, etc. presence any better? Do you realize how much simpler life for the average Iraqi would be without this other foreign intervention?

So who do you think is bombing the markets, Shia mosques, etc.?
Easy - the Baathist "Dead Enders" and Al-Quada in Iraq. Would Shiites blow up their own Golden Domed mosque?

Wake up and smell the coffee Homey.

(*_Hamzah

05-01-07, 10:22 PM

With all due respect, I believe you are reading too much Islamist propaganda.

Please think about it. Take a breath . . . . .OK. Why would anybody spend the time and money that the US is spending on holding 9 year olds in POW camps?

Also, why would the US go through the trouble of randomly sending Afghani and Iraqi citizens all the way to Cuba? It's completley irrational. We work on a principle that is forgeign to the Muslim world; it's call "Cost/Benefit Analysis". If there is no benefit to holding someone - we don't.

How do you explain the detention of Al- Al-jazeera cameraman? Just one example of illegal detention, since Sami (Al-jazeera cameraman) through his solicitors has explicitly said US military want’s him to admit that Al-jazeera is apart of Al-Qaeda, since he wont admit nor compromise his innocence he is stuck.

The purpose of such camp is a media campaign by neo-conservative to show the American public they are winning the war on terror a mere smoke screen.

The vast majority of the detainees held in the US naval base in Guantanamo Bay were arrested in Afghanistan or Pakistan, handed over by Northern Alliance bounty hunters- did these men receive a fair hearing for their captures- no of course they didn’t simply handed over like cattle meat to be slaughtered.

If there was any credible evidence to trail these men then it should processed but it looks like the US is in a limbo too.

Tertullian2

05-01-07, 10:48 PM

How do you explain the detention of Al- Al-jazeera cameraman? Just one example of illegal detention, since Sami (Al-jazeera cameraman) through his solicitors has explicitly said US military want’s him to admit that Al-jazeera is apart of Al-Qaeda, since he wont admit nor compromise his innocence he is stuck.

Many believe Al-Jazeera is the enemy of the US. I wish they would all be arrested.

(*_Hamzah

06-01-07, 01:22 AM

Many believe Al-Jazeera is the enemy of the US. I wish they would all be arrested.

You are one incredible ignorant patriot, :rolleyes:

Tertullian2

06-01-07, 03:09 AM

You are one incredible ignorant patriot, :rolleyes:
You tell me, is Al-Jazeera a friend of the U.S. or of Al-Qaeda? Serious answer please.

aisha83

06-01-07, 03:13 AM

You tell me, is Al-Jazeera a friend of the U.S. or of Al-Qaeda? Serious answer please.

'You are either with us or against us'

:rolleyes:

Tertullian2

06-01-07, 03:31 AM

'You are either with us or against us'

:rolleyes:
You didn't answer my question.

By the way, I see a trend like that on this site. A simple question more often than not will recieve no answer. What gives?

(*_Hamzah

06-01-07, 03:41 AM

You tell me, is Al-Jazeera a friend of the U.S. or of Al-Qaeda? Serious answer please.

A serious question please!

I watch a segment on Al-Jazeera, and the then Iraqi information Minster accused Al-Jazeera of telling American propaganda and then we have the then US Secretary Donald Rumsfeld slamming Al-Jazeera also :rolleyes:

Neither, it's a new's organisation it's aim is to be unbiased, distinguish the difference, If we go by your definition of who the enemy is, then US citizens who campaigned against the war are the enemies also?

Because you have warmongers who run your country you shouldn’t follow their notion of, the enemy is who we love to hate.

Do you have anything that’s creditable to support you claims this news agency is as rotten as your ideas? :)

Tertullian2

06-01-07, 03:49 AM

A serious question please!

I watch a segment on Al-Jazeera, and the then Iraqi information Minster accused Al-Jazeera of telling American propaganda and then we have the then US Secretary Donald Rumsfeld slamming Al-Jazeera also :rolleyes:

Neither, it's a new's organisation it's aim is to be unbiased, distinguish the difference, If we go by your definition of who the enemy is, then US citizens who campaigned against the war are the enemies also?

Because you have warmongers who run your country you shouldn’t follow their notion of, the enemy is who we love to hate.

Do you have anything that’s creditable to support you claims this news agency is as rotten as your ideas? :)
Thank you. You gave me an answer. You tell me that Al-Jazeera is "neuteral". I'm glad you believe that.

Can you tell me how Al-Jazeera can protect the location of one of the world's most wanted terrorist?

Can you tell me how the al-jazeera cameras just so happen to be at ambushes of American soldiers.

Why does Al-Qaeda prefer to use Al-Jazeera as there information mouthpiece versus CNN or BBC?

Why do you think that the Al-Malaki govn't kicked them out of Baghdad? Because they were neuteral? Don't think so.

(*_Hamzah

06-01-07, 05:00 AM

[QUOTE=Tertullian2;1549055]Thank you. You gave me an answer. You tell me that Al-Jazeera is "neuteral". I'm glad you believe that.

More netural then your daily diet of CNN and Foxy lies.

Be honest, if Pat Robertson had his own program on Al-Jazeera , it will suddenly go from zero to hero with you :)

Can you tell me how Al-Jazeera can protect the location of one of the world's most wanted terrorist?

Robert Fisk has meet Osama Osama bin Muhammad bin 'Awad bin Laden, I believe he is the only western journalist to have meet him, using your notion he must be protecting his also :rolleyes: ?

Blame them for where your military have failed :)- I sense that much :)

Can you tell me how the al-jazeera cameras just so happen to be at ambushes of American soldiers.

:)

Examples please, It will be my pleasure to watch reruns of your heros metting their ends.

I'm not aware of al-jazeera cameras filming live operations, the normal process is they release their own operations on the Internet and then it's picked up by Al-jazeera and other new's agency , perhaps the Al-jazeera logo on the top right of the screen leads you to believe that Video is Al-Jazeera Production.:rolleyes:

We all witness the shock and awe bombings of Baghdad it was virtually covered by all international broadcasters live as it unfoled, does that mean; all western and eastern new's correspondents had prior knowledge that Baghdad will be burning?

Why does Al-Qaeda prefer to use Al-Jazeera as there information mouthpiece versus CNN or BBC?

Al-Jazeera reports from that side of the word, it is a Arabic new's channel, Al-Jazeera then shares the video with it's audience then the video is picked up by the BBC etc......

If they want to give the scoop to Al-Jazeera then they have that right :)

Why do you think that the Al-Malaki govn't kicked them out of Baghdad? Because they were neuteral? Don't think so.

Oh dear, only last night I watched a report from Al-Jazeera live in Iraq :)- so they havent been kicked out.

Baghdad you say?

MangoChutney

06-01-07, 06:59 AM

With all due respect, I believe you are reading too much Islamist propaganda.

Please think about it. Take a breath . . . . .OK. Why would anybody spend the time and money that the US is spending on holding 9 year olds in POW camps?

Also, why would the US go through the trouble of randomly sending Afghani and Iraqi citizens all the way to Cuba? It's completley irrational. We work on a principle that is forgeign to the Muslim world; it's call "Cost/Benefit Analysis". If there is no benefit to holding someone - we don't.

Now, I will admit that innocent people have been arrested. But everyone goes through several layers of interrogation which may happen at different facilities. Many get released. Many may be retained. But the worst of the worst go to Gitmo. They are not shipped there "just because." It's too expensive to ship the average Ali all the way there.

well after invading maybe half the middle East *excuse my exxageration but u understand the point im making* nothing is "too" expensive...