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Saint Poetry
19-12-06, 02:13 AM
I think i have found a wife, she is beautiful, intelligent, and easy to get along with. i hope she will consent and will marry me, plz keep me in ur dua

Abdelrhman
19-12-06, 03:02 AM
:salams

May Allah bless you and her and join you together if it is best for your iman and Islam.

Saint Poetry
19-12-06, 03:22 AM
one downside tho is she isnt muslim, altho im sure i could revert her

Lambo5688
19-12-06, 06:09 AM
one downside tho is she isnt muslim, altho im sure i could revert her

Inshallah. Hope everything works out bro:up:

meer
19-12-06, 06:13 AM
May allah make it easer for you !:lailah:

*Muhammad*
19-12-06, 07:23 AM
I think i have found a wife, she is beautiful, intelligent, and easy to get along with. i hope she will consent and will marry me, plz keep me in ur dua

inshallah Amen to that may it be a blessed one
Congratulations:)

.: hayat :.
19-12-06, 01:55 PM
I think i have found a wife, she is beautiful, intelligent, and easy to get along with. i hope she will consent and will marry me, plz keep me in ur dua

inshaallah she will be ur wife..not just wife..

Al-Saeed Abdi
19-12-06, 03:21 PM
You are going at an astonishing rate, slow down little. Learn, practise and then propagate. Think about your own conversion before you can think about somebody else’s.

Kind regards

Saint Poetry
19-12-06, 05:03 PM
i am rushing a little but i love her and i hav loved her for over 4 years, now i may get a chance to marry her? oh i cant help but take it, i have to take that chance and make it flourish

Eemaan
19-12-06, 05:08 PM
Saint have you converted to Islam yourself yet?

.: hayat :.
19-12-06, 05:21 PM
Saint have you converted to Islam yourself yet?

ya..he did but seems he did it cuse of a 4 yrs love..hmmmmm:rolleyes:

Saint Poetry
19-12-06, 05:31 PM
yes i converted but i am in love with this girl and i trust my heart, and my heart tells me to go after her

Eemaan
19-12-06, 05:44 PM
yes i converted but i am in love with this girl and i trust my heart, and my heart tells me to go after her

mashallah, when???

Saint Poetry
19-12-06, 05:45 PM
a couple days ago, and then again yesterday

Eemaan
19-12-06, 06:04 PM
a couple days ago, and then again yesterday

you converted twice :scratch: youve lost me :(

Buthaynah
19-12-06, 06:09 PM
you converted twice :scratch: youve lost me :(
I think he meant , he has been after her on those days ?

Saint Poetry
19-12-06, 06:13 PM
no i said the declaration twice

Saint Poetry
19-12-06, 06:13 PM
once on my own and once with a brother on the phone

Buthaynah
19-12-06, 06:22 PM
once on my own and once with a brother on the phone
Oh i'm ever so sorry for making that mistake. And well i think she means the time u accepted it. Because all of us Muslims testify the oneness of Allah and the seal of the message in our salah 5 times a day, and also we do tahiyaat in our salah (more than just once). As well as dhikr is made sometimes and so really we all say it many times when you think about it.

Saint Poetry
19-12-06, 06:31 PM
oh ic, well i hav to learn how to pray and get a compass and stuff, but i must learn the prayer words as well

puella
19-12-06, 06:33 PM
oh ic, well i hav to learn how to pray and get a compass and stuff, but i must learn the prayer words as well

u a revert?

Saint Poetry
19-12-06, 06:37 PM
yes i am

Buthaynah
19-12-06, 06:42 PM
oh ic, well i hav to learn how to pray and get a compass and stuff, but i must learn the prayer words as wellOf course. everything takes time. InshAllah some brothers can help you with that. I must say it is a pleasure to be able to help converts learn the basics of our deen, so InshAllah you shouldn't have a problem, but rather you should try to get it started , then InshAllah Allah will help you get on!

Saint Poetry
19-12-06, 06:57 PM
i will do that right away

Saint Poetry
19-12-06, 06:59 PM
oh i hav an update on the girl. she may hav a brain tumor :( -cries uncontrollably- By the grace of Allah dont let it be a tumor

Ameen

Buthaynah
19-12-06, 07:02 PM
oh i hav an update on the girl. she may hav a brain tumor :( -cries uncontrollably- By the grace of Allah dont let it be a tumor

Ameen

ameen
SubhanAllah, Allah is the planner , although we plan, SubhanAllah.

Saint Poetry
19-12-06, 07:29 PM
thank you brother/sister

Te'oma
19-12-06, 11:17 PM
one downside tho is she isnt muslim, altho im sure i could revert her

This worries me...no one can revert anyone else. Allah is the only one that can cause someone to revert. He calls those that he will, you can only show them the way.

Saint Poetry
19-12-06, 11:24 PM
i apologize, it was a misuse of words

Kal-El
19-12-06, 11:56 PM
It's alright Saint..

You have to always remember how hard it is to change one's self, to only consider how hard it would be in changing another.

Alhamdulilah that you have found the right path Saint, but you will have to remain strong as an individual firstly to be successfully a strong Muslim. You have much to encounter; much to learn :)

You need to set an example not only to her, but to yourself aswell brother. I hope you get the things you want in life :up:

Emelianenko
19-12-06, 11:58 PM
Attending a wedding for the first time, a little girl whispered to her
mother, "Why is the bride dressed in white?" "Because white is the
color of happiness, and today is the happiest day of her life."
The child thought about this for a moment, then said, "So why is the
groom wearing black?"

:D :D

Emelianenko
20-12-06, 12:00 AM
A man walking along a California beach was deep in prayer. All of a sudden, he said out loud, "Lord, grant me one wish." The sky clouded above his head and in a booming voice, the Lord said, "Because you have tried to be faithful to me in all ways, I will grant you one wish."

The man said, "Build a bridge to Hawaii so I can drive over anytime I want."

The Lord said, "Your request is very materialistic. Think of the enormous challenges for that kind of undertaking. The supports required to reach the bottom of the Pacific! The concrete and steel it would take! I can do it, but it is hard for me to justify your desire for worldly things. Take a little more time and think of another wish, a wish you think would honor and glorify me."

The man thought about it for a long time. Finally he said, "Lord, I wish that I could understand women. I want to know how they feel inside, what they are thinking when they give the silent treatment, why they cry, what they mean when they say 'nothing', and how I can make a woman truly happy."

The Lord replied, "You want two lanes or four lanes on that bridge?"

:D :D

:outta:

Arifa
20-12-06, 12:12 AM
ah~

I thought its the men that give silent treatment :rolleyes:

Te'oma
20-12-06, 12:49 AM
Emelianenko is a brave man now that he's gone and gotten married :D

Masumah
20-12-06, 12:50 AM
I think i have found a wife, she is beautiful, intelligent, and easy to get along with. i hope she will consent and will marry me, plz keep me in ur dua

aww mashallah akhi..may allah bless u both :)

Emelianenko
20-12-06, 01:20 AM
Emelianenko is a brave man now that he's gone and gotten married :D
Why thank you John...John Rambo :D :p

Te'oma
20-12-06, 01:45 AM
Why thank you John...John Rambo :D :p


Haven't you heard? I'm Bond now...James Bond :p

Emelianenko
20-12-06, 02:06 AM
Haven't you heard? I'm Bond now...James Bond :p
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Nah dude John Rambo is more u, a dude who wrecks an entire town just cus they wouldnt let him walk through in peace :p

Saint Poetry
20-12-06, 02:55 AM
i hope she says yes, oh by the grace of Allah let her say yes

Saint Poetry
20-12-06, 03:17 AM
This worries me...no one can revert anyone else. Allah is the only one that can cause someone to revert. He calls those that he will, you can only show them the way.

if it worries you that she is not muslim then believe me i share your worries. thing is i love her, and if marrying her without her being muslim is what i need to do to be with her, then so be it. i realize this may not be the smartest thing, but my heart has never done me wrong, so i trust it. i love her with all my heart and i cant help it, she makes me happy. and it hurts to just be her friend, and i dont know what i'd do without her.

this girl was there for me when i was at my worst. she helped me when no one else could or would. when i was cutting, she helped me stop, when i wanted to die and i had that knife to my throat, she stopped me. she has gotten me through more then anything in my life has. i cant say if she will be the one to get me through things better then anyone or anything ever will, but i know at the moment she is whats best for my love life, and whats best for me(other then Allah of course).

i love her. i'd give up almost anything for her, the only thing i would never give up for her or anyone is my faith. i will never give that up, that is for me to keep regardless of what goes on in my life. though i know little of the muslim ways, i know what my heart tells me, and my heart tells me to go to her, to comfort her and share my life with her for as long as Allah wills it. my faith will always be strong, this will never falter, you need not worry about that, but i will follow my heart, to the ends of the earth i will follow my heart.

Te'oma
20-12-06, 04:50 AM
Is she christian or jewish because we are only allowed to marry the people of the book. If she's pagan then you can't marry her under Islam

Saint Poetry
20-12-06, 05:01 AM
she's of no religion

Raul-7
20-12-06, 06:23 AM
she's of no religion

Does she at least believe in One God?

.: hayat :.
20-12-06, 08:26 AM
i hope she says yes, oh by the grace of Allah let her say yes

man ur posts seems not frm a muslim yet..pls try to not write things in a manner tht shows ur indecision abt religion tht u had by changin to many times frm christianism to buddhism,to satanism,to wiccans..to whtever..pls try to think islamically and ur words reflect tht u r a muslim..just i feel u say things in a strange way..asefa,but i feel u little bit unseriously..may allah forgive me if it is smth bad what i said to u..hope u r not mad..just tht u must try more for ur belifs if they r islamic..

meer
20-12-06, 08:33 AM
man ur posts seems not frm a muslim yet..pls try to not write things in a manner tht shows ur indecision abt religion tht u had by changin to many times frm christianism to buddhism,to satanism,to wiccans..to whtever..pls try to think islamically and ur words reflect tht u r a muslim..just i feel u say things in a strange way..asefa,but i feel u little bit unseriously..may allah forgive me if it is smth bad what i said to u..hope u r not mad..just tht u must try more for ur belifs if they r islamic..

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rofl1: :rofl1:

Kal-El
20-12-06, 11:39 AM
man ur posts seems not frm a muslim yet..pls try to not write things in a manner tht shows ur indecision abt religion tht u had by changin to many times frm christianism to buddhism,to satanism,to wiccans..to whtever..pls try to think islamically and ur words reflect tht u r a muslim..just i feel u say things in a strange way..asefa,but i feel u little bit unseriously..may allah forgive me if it is smth bad what i said to u..hope u r not mad..just tht u must try more for ur belifs if they r islamic..

He's a 17 year old revert, trying to fit in and atleast seem more religious in general, with his wording.

What exactly do you expect? You think he's a CIA agent pretending to be 17 and trying to infiltrate the forums or something?

You shouldn't have bought this to the open, it's really disrespectful because you are only on the assumption, and a negative one. I guess you couldn't help yourself pressing that 'Submit Reply'.

.: hayat :.
20-12-06, 01:57 PM
He's a 17 year old revert, trying to fit in and atleast seem more religious in general, with his wording.

What exactly do you expect? You think he's a CIA agent pretending to be 17 and trying to infiltrate the forums or something?

You shouldn't have bought this to the open, it's really disrespectful because you are only on the assumption, and a negative one. I guess you couldn't help yourself pressing that 'Submit Reply'.

i do not expect anything frm him..i just wanna put him to think at some things..it is not enough to say just tht hey i am a muslim..u must show that u feel as a muslim through ur words...i can post things that u all would wanna hear and would appreciate but i only post wht i think and wanna make the other to think more..i am really open to advices and i think it was my duty to tell him tht as i felt him flowing in the air..we must keep our foot on earth metaphorically speaking..we must think at purposes and becoming better..islam is not abt just living life..it is abt thinking ,learning,having a purpose..i just gave him a suggestion,i did not killed him..and next time let him argue if he is upset..u r not his lawyer as i know...i am able to appologize if he felt offended but it was surely not my intention...and the problem with "submit replay" seems is urs too:rolleyes:

.: hayat :.
20-12-06, 02:03 PM
man ur posts seems not frm a muslim yet..pls try to not write things in a manner tht shows ur indecision abt religion tht u had by changin to many times frm christianism to buddhism,to satanism,to wiccans..to whtever..pls try to think islamically and ur words reflect tht u r a muslim..just i feel u say things in a strange way..asefa,but i feel u little bit unseriously..may allah forgive me if it is smth bad what i said to u..hope u r not mad..just tht u must try more for ur belifs if they r islamic..

He's a 17 year old revert, trying to fit in and atleast seem more religious in general, with his wording.

What exactly do you expect? You think he's a CIA agent pretending to be 17 and trying to infiltrate the forums or something?

You shouldn't have bought this to the open, it's really disrespectful because you are only on the assumption, and a negative one. I guess you couldn't help yourself pressing that 'Submit Reply'.

as u can clear see in all my post i just suggested to try more..is this a bad word or advice?we all try to be better..i try..u not?also i appologized and i was concerned abt him to not upset..and i said tht all was abt wht i feel not tht i am sure he is bad or smth..i am not in court so i do not wanna prove nothing or expecting smth and ..as well u r not his lawyer..

Kal-El
21-12-06, 01:54 PM
i do not expect anything frm him..i just wanna put him to think at some things..it is not enough to say just tht hey i am a muslim..u must show that u feel as a muslim through ur words...i can post things that u all would wanna hear and would appreciate but i only post wht i think and wanna make the other to think more..i am really open to advices and i think it was my duty to tell him tht as i felt him flowing in the air..we must keep our foot on earth metaphorically speaking..we must think at purposes and becoming better..islam is not abt just living life..it is abt thinking ,learning,having a purpose..i just gave him a suggestion,i did not killed him..and next time let him argue if he is upset..u r not his lawyer as i know...i am able to appologize if he felt offended but it was surely not my intention...and the problem with "submit replay" seems is urs too:rolleyes:

Salam sister,

To be honest with you, you only know half of this issue and I'm not allowed to go further into that, but Saint should not be judged in a suspicious or mockery context with sentences like "your posts dont seem to be from a muslim".

If you realise that he is new, both to the religion and the forums, then i think his attitude so far has been absolutely fine. Obviously he will not word every of his posts in a particular way e.g. as you would, he will get used to that and hopefully mature in the way he expresses himself as an adult and a Muslim. You showed understanding to this, by adding the word "yet" to your first sentence.

But that will come in time, and I don't think he particularly needs people to highlight/focus the way he posts his messages. Let him be himself! If he does anything wrong, then notify a moderator.

If you wanted to bring an issue up about an individual, that's where the PM function is for, you dont embarrass or speak about them in such a manner, publicly.

I hope you understand my sincerity in this, i am not jumping you in anyway, but people need to get off his back, and if they wanna talk about someone, then they can do it privately.

.: hayat :.
21-12-06, 10:04 PM
Salam sister,

To be honest with you, you only know half of this issue and I'm not allowed to go further into that, but Saint should not be judged in a suspicious or mockery context with sentences like "your posts dont seem to be from a muslim".

If you realise that he is new, both to the religion and the forums, then i think his attitude so far has been absolutely fine. Obviously he will not word every of his posts in a particular way e.g. as you would, he will get used to that and hopefully mature in the way he expresses himself as an adult and a Muslim. You showed understanding to this, by adding the word "yet" to your first sentence.

But that will come in time, and I don't think he particularly needs people to highlight/focus the way he posts his messages. Let him be himself! If he does anything wrong, then notify a moderator.

If you wanted to bring an issue up about an individual, that's where the PM function is for, you dont embarrass or speak about them in such a manner, publicly.

I hope you understand my sincerity in this, i am not jumping you in anyway, but people need to get off his back, and if they wanna talk about someone, then they can do it privately.


shukran 4 posting respectfully..i appreciate this way better than ur previous post..shukran and again asefa to saint if he felt offended but was without intention..i was little revolted cuse he is new on ummah and as revert so..he seems new in knowledge abt islam too..i was revolted as ppl say to me tht i think and act and speak as a muslima but this not cuse i am a muslima but cuse my love 4 islam is true and lasting and wanted 1st to learn and discover beauty of islamic way and not reverting as blind..inshaallah my shahada will be in 2 weeks..

Saint Poetry
22-12-06, 02:27 AM
well, considering the ordeal i just went through this is meaningless. were i more devout i'd tell you to bite your tounge, but im not. i do not come into islam blindly as you say, i come in well knowing what im getting myself into, i dont know everything, but i know enough. if you do not like the way i post then that is your issue and i do not care, for it is how i am. if people dont like it, thats too bad, i could really care less. i will not change for someone else that i do not know much less love. i will change for a loved one, but if i am firm on something, and i dont wish to change, dont expect me to.

now dont get me wrong, religion is another story. i have changed for religion a hundred times over, and im changing again, it was not 3 days ago that i told my friend and she was sad and dumbfounded as to my religious preferance. she is baffled as to how i went from christianity to islam, it confuses her because she is devout in her faith. course her actions and her words are not that of a typical christian, but she has never taken God's name in vain, and she chastised me for doing so when i did in the past.

i am who i am, i am changing as fast as i can, if you expect me to change just because you say i do not speak like a muslim? well then your mind is clouded far worse then that of which i've dealt with in the past. whether this insults u or not, i care not for it is retribution for insults past. keep in mind, i may be a revert, but i still study religion for fun, it is a hobby and it is my passion. islam is not a research project, so take that blasphemy from your mind now. i do believe in Allah, i may speak differently, but i still worship Allah, i am a muslim, whether you or anyone else likes it or not. and thats just something you and anyone else with a problem will have to get used to.

jazz8000
25-12-06, 10:58 AM
Just a point. She has to revert herself. if she reverts just to marry you, foundations of belief are not strong and can go other way easily... don't keep revertions as a condition of marriage...

Had a white work coleague who fell in love with a muslim and knew the importance of her partner being a muslim, so called it quits with her for a while, came to me to learn islam and to see whether it was for him, i just pointed him in a direction with advice if he needed it (making it clear that whether he accepts or not was up to him and won't affect our friendship). It took about 6 months but it was he who made the decision, took the shahadah and then rekindled the relationship and evetual marriage. He himself goes to islamic classes everyweek as it's a personal drive whereas i know quite a few relationships where if it goews wrong, the partner leaves islam or never actualy practice much as belief never entered the heart so just needs care.

abdalmajid
25-12-06, 12:44 PM
I think i have found a wife, she is beautiful, intelligent, and easy to get along with. i hope she will consent and will marry me, plz keep me in ur dua

Salaam my brother

First I must say that welcome with open arms to the Deen of Allah (swt). May He (swt) make this a joyous journey for you full of blessings.

May Allah (swt) make it easy for you in your seeking of a wife.

You see my brother who will have done one of the best things in life after accepting the Deen your self, and that is to bring another in to the fold of Islam.

As you may have come to know that when one accepts Islam all his various sins are wiped off clean and you start like a new born. And if you bring someone in to the fold of Islam that person good deed are reward and you receive the same reward as well.

May Allah (swt) give you a long and happy life as a Muslim
May Allah (swt) give you a wife who will be a pillar of your house.
May Allah (swt) bless you with all that pleases you.

Wa salaam

Your bro

Abdal Majid Ibn Muhammad Shafi

Hekmaa
01-01-07, 05:07 AM
Saint what units are you taking in college?

Do you play the guitar?

Mohammed Shujat
01-01-07, 06:20 AM
test

Um Abdullah
01-01-07, 07:54 AM
some Muslims really have a bad way in doing dawah, some might even turn away a person from Islam because of things they say.

Brother Saint poetry is a NEW MUSLIM, so it is expected to see many mistakes from him becasue he is new, there are Muslims who have been Muslims for very long time and are very ignorant and make many mistakes, so why attack a New Muslim who is trying to learn, and it will take him time.
so please dont' say words that might cause more harm than good, you are not to judge if he is sincere in his converstion or not, ALlah is the one who judges.

As for the girl, if she is from people of the book , then u can marry her, but I advise you to talk to her about Islam before marrying her, so at least she will be aware of ur beliefs, and also tell her that you want to raise ur children to be Muslims insha Allah, and see what she thinks, it is very important for her to know what are ur plans after marriage and what ur beliefs are before getting married to make sure she doesn't disagree with it and maybe resulting in problems after marriage.
also, make duaa to Allah to guide you & her, and ask him to make ur marriage easy if this woman is the right one for you, and if she is not right one for you then to make ur heart turn away from her, for Allah is the one who knows if she is best for u or not.

Saint Poetry
01-01-07, 07:56 AM
Saint what units are you taking in college?

Do you play the guitar?


i am not in college my friend, i am still in high school, and i will be for a little bit of time. i plan to take my studies to world religion as my major and writing as my minor. if i wish it i may alos at a later date get my degree in psychology, makes good for money purposes.

Hekmaa
01-01-07, 08:55 AM
Is this the same girl that wanted to date for a bit more before she was sure about you?

Is she still in school?

Does she take drugs?

Saint Poetry
01-01-07, 11:06 PM
Is this the same girl that wanted to date for a bit more before she was sure about you?

Is she still in school?

Does she take drugs?




no, i hav given up on her, im looking for new prospects, and hopefully i will find one. no she doesnt do drugs, and yes she is still in school, but thats never stopped anyone

`asiya
01-01-07, 11:25 PM
man ur posts seems not frm a muslim yet..pls try to not write things in a manner tht shows ur indecision abt religion tht u had by changin to many times frm christianism to buddhism,to satanism,to wiccans..to whtever..pls try to think islamically and ur words reflect tht u r a muslim..just i feel u say things in a strange way..asefa,but i feel u little bit unseriously..may allah forgive me if it is smth bad what i said to u..hope u r not mad..just tht u must try more for ur belifs if they r islamic..

our brother took shaddah straight away masha Allah because of his love for truth and his love for almighty Allah ta ala, so masha Allah he is learning and he is learning fast and will continue to grow as a muslim insha Allah, it doesnt matter that he came through different religions, i too was raised strict catholic, then became buddist, then vaishnava hindu then i came to Islam and submitted myself to truth, to almighty Allah ta ala, we cant be expected to know everything all at once, i became a muslim and then i learnt my religion after that alhamdulillah.

If u read about salaman al farsi a companion of the prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him, he also went through different practises of different religions searching for the truth you will see this is not something new, nor is it indecision its simply searching for the truth, As Allah ta ala says in the Quran the truth is clear from falsehood masha Allah :up: may Allah ta ala bless him with a pious muslim wife who will never do him wrong, amin

Saint Poetry
02-01-07, 05:47 PM
thank you asiya, i appriciate every word. Ameen

`asiya
02-01-07, 05:50 PM
your welcome akhi :) (akhi means my brother) your are our brother, and we will defend u with our lives if need be.This is the brotherhood of Islam. Alhamdulillah.

Saint Poetry
02-01-07, 06:06 PM
again i thank you sister.

phx_muslimah
05-01-07, 01:38 AM
There is nothing wrong in marrying a Christian or a Jew, it's halal. As long as she is willing to raise any children you may have as Muslims. Allah may choose to lead her to Islam through you, but it's not a for-sure thing. As you are a new revert, it may be difficult for you if you have someone with you that is questioning what you are doing, why you're doing it, you will have to be strong in your faith.

phx_muslimah
05-01-07, 01:41 AM
ooppppssss, I missed a post, sorry.........I just assumed she was Christian or Jewish.

Saint Poetry
05-01-07, 02:02 AM
i dunno about jewish or "christian" but ther is a girl who is a jehova witness...kinda...but she seems true unlike past interests

Tahiyah
05-01-07, 03:25 AM
always remember this about a wife. if shes not happy, she cant make you happy

phx_muslimah
05-01-07, 07:39 AM
I not sure, but I think Jehovah Witnesses are Christian

Buthaynah
05-01-07, 10:46 AM
always remember this about a wife. if shes not happy, she cant make you happy

Interesting...

Saint Poetry
05-01-07, 01:39 PM
ah but what happens when i make her happy and she doesnt return the favor

`asiya
05-01-07, 03:19 PM
ah but what happens when i make her happy and she doesnt return the favor

good point and this is why its important to marry a chaste, pious believing woman, because then she will always fear the wrath of almighty Allah and she will always do what is right, and always strive to be a good wife to you, and a good mother to your children and she will always protect her marriage and love her husband even in his absense and she will appreciate all he does for her insha Allah :up:

Kal-El
05-01-07, 03:50 PM
Most people marry for love and companionship - not to simply please Allah. If your wife isn't treating you well, then you obviously need to emphasise the "love" you give her and do the best you can in that regard.

If she doesn't show any change, then you need to speak to her as you will obviously question her feelings towards you. Never assume everything is great and rosey in marriage cos it can turn.

Saint Poetry
06-01-07, 04:45 PM
i maY BE young but i am not ignorant, believe me i know what it means to be crossed