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Just incase any of you hanafis feel like eating this:
http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/HURL/gallery/squid.jpg
Question:
Are squids are halaal?
Answer:
In the Name of Allah, the Inspirer of Truth.
Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh
Squid is not regarded as a fish, hence according to the Hanafi Madh-hab, squid is not permissible.
And Allah knows Best
Wa Alaykumussalaam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh
(Mufti) Abdullah Patel
Halal Food Guide
:p
Tahiyah
15-12-06, 04:40 PM
doesnt the same go for shrimp, lobster, crab? they are not considered fish either. they are "bottom feeders"..
eel is a water snake? not fish either?
think i'll stick with the veggie sushi.. ;)
Selamat
15-12-06, 05:22 PM
Well, I eat shrimp, and they're not fish. Where does it say in the Quran/hadith that one can only eat 'fish'? I thought that everything from the sea was halal?
Tahiyah
15-12-06, 05:34 PM
Well, I eat shrimp, and they're not fish. Where does it say in the Quran/hadith that one can only eat 'fish'? I thought that everything from the sea was halal?
thats what i learned too Selamat. guess there are different opinions according to the schools..
didnt Imam Abu Hanifa RA also say that if u find more sound proof then ignore his statements if contrary! so too did all the other imams.
and according to the quran
And it is HE Who has subjected the sea (to you), that you may eat thereof fresh tender meat, and that you may extract out of it ornaments to wear. And you see the ships ploughing through it, that you may seek (thus) of the HIS bounty (by transporting the goods from place to place) and that you may be grateful. An-Nahl: 14
And the two seas (kinds of water) are not alike: this is fresh, sweet and pleasant to drink, and that is salt and bitter. And from them both you eat fresh tender meat, and extract ornaments that you wear. And you see the ships cleaving (the sea water as they sail through it), that you may seek of HIS bounty, and that you may give thanks. Fatir: 12
and Allah too says in other verses that one should not make haram halal and vice versa. for what ever Allah says is haram to eat is stated in the Quran, and theres nothing in the Quran that says shellfish is haram. for if we say its haram then we saying Allah has forgotten to mention the shellfish in the quran, as the above verses clearly shows that we can eat the meat from the sea, Allah did not further say except shellfish or fish without scales.
Allah too says in surah 66:1 where Allah even told the prophet SAW that only He makes things haram / halal.
THHuxley
15-12-06, 09:01 PM
eel is a water snake? not fish either?
Eels are ordinary fish, not "water snakes."
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al-ghazalli
15-12-06, 09:12 PM
didnt Imam Abu Hanifa RA also say that if u find more sound proof then ignore his statements if contrary! so too did all the other imams.
Indeed the Noble Imam did utter these words but u have to understand who these words were directed to, they were directed to the Mujtahids within the Hanafi school of Fiqh not ordinary layman like you and I.
The Hanafi do not consider those verses to refer be Qati but rather Zanni as far as I understand....secondly they have more proofs to back up their claim but regardless this is the mu`tamad opinion within the Hanafi madhab...
And I believe the Shafi Ulema consider crabs to be haram? if I am not incorrect...i read that somewhere (I should double check though).
As far as I know the Maliki Ulema consider everything in the ocean to be permissible...don't have any info on the Hanbali Ulema....
And finally we must always remember that Differences of Opinion in Fiqh is a Mercy for Ummatul Muhammad.
Just incase any of you hanafis feel like eating this:
Question:
Are squids are halaal?
Answer:
In the Name of Allah, the Inspirer of Truth.
Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh
Squid is not regarded as a fish, hence according to the Hanafi Madh-hab, squid is not permissible.
And Allah knows Best
Wa Alaykumussalaam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh
(Mufti) Abdullah Patel
Halal Food Guide
:p
Asalaumalikum Ukthi, We as a muslim need to go back to Quran & Sunnah. I think those four Imams were uniformly saying if they are wrong dont follow them?
Here is according to Quran & Sunnah:
(Quran 5:1 )O ye who believe! fulfil (all) obligations. Lawful unto you (for food) are all four-footed animals, with the exceptions named: But animals of the chase are forbidden while ye are in the sacred precincts or in pilgrim garb: for Allah doth command according to His will and plan.
then it continues on verse 3
(Quran 5:3) Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah. that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
(Quran 35:12) Nor are the two bodies of flowing water alike,- the one palatable, sweet, and pleasant to drink, and the other, salt and bitter. Yet from each (kind of water) do ye eat flesh fresh and tender, and ye extract ornaments to wear; and thou seest the ships therein that plough the waves, that ye may seek (thus) of the Bounty of Allah that ye may be grateful.
(Quran 5:96) Lawful to you is the pursuit of water-game and its use for food ..
So everything from water is halal even if they are dead.
Ibn `Umar relates that Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said: “Made lawful for you are the flesh of two dead animals and two types of blood. As for the two dead animals, they are the locust and the fish. And as for the two types of blood, they are the blood of the spleen and the liver.”
(Ahmad, Ibn Mâjah, al-Dâraqutnî, and al-Bayhaqî)
Hope this helps
Indeed the Noble Imam did utter these words but u have to understand who these words were directed to, they were directed to the Mujtahids within the Hanafi school of Fiqh not ordinary layman like you and I.
The Hanafi do not consider those verses to refer be Qati but rather Zanni as far as I understand....secondly they have more proofs to back up their claim but regardless this is the mu`tamad opinion within the Hanafi madhab...
And I believe the Shafi Ulema consider crabs to be haram? if I am not incorrect...i read that somewhere (I should double check though).
As far as I know the Maliki Ulema consider everything in the ocean to be permissible...don't have any info on the Hanbali Ulema....
And finally we must always remember that Differences of Opinion in Fiqh is a Mercy for Ummatul Muhammad.
what im saying is that is from what the quran says, i dont refute Imam Hanafi''s RA studies never would i ever. as the statement above stands what the imam said, for eg. he did not approve of wiping over the socks when performing wudu, but on his sick bed he realised the convenience of wiping over the sock instead of wetting his feet each time, which made him change his mind and said, "i did what i used to tell people not to do" which means he retracted after coming to know/realise that it was permissable.
thus im saying that people only look at what he said that its haram to eat shellfish but they forget about the other scholars who also studied under him and came with more proof of permissability. (Even the prophet SAW said in his last sermon that people of future generations would understand things better.)
for if he says its haram then we totally cant eat it no matter what. then no one can eat it whether u a follower of the shafi'i, hambali etc it would not matter it would be outright haram.
But Allah did not say its haram in the Quran.
didnt Imam Abu Hanifa RA also say that if u find more sound proof then ignore his statements if contrary! so too did all the other imams.
and according to the quran
And it is HE Who has subjected the sea (to you), that you may eat thereof fresh tender meat, and that you may extract out of it ornaments to wear. And you see the ships ploughing through it, that you may seek (thus) of the HIS bounty (by transporting the goods from place to place) and that you may be grateful. An-Nahl: 14
And the two seas (kinds of water) are not alike: this is fresh, sweet and pleasant to drink, and that is salt and bitter. And from them both you eat fresh tender meat, and extract ornaments that you wear. And you see the ships cleaving (the sea water as they sail through it), that you may seek of HIS bounty, and that you may give thanks. Fatir: 12
and Allah too says in other verses that one should not make haram halal and vice versa. for what ever Allah says is haram to eat is stated in the Quran, and theres nothing in the Quran that says shellfish is haram. for if we say its haram then we saying Allah has forgotten to mention the shellfish in the quran, as the above verses clearly shows that we can eat the meat from the sea, Allah did not further say except shellfish or fish without scales.
Allah too says in surah 66:1 where Allah even told the prophet SAW that only He makes things haram / halal.
sah masha Allah,Barakallahu feek amin, ( its the yahood who dont permit eating shellfish )
muslimah85
15-12-06, 10:21 PM
sushi Is Yum :D
tru yo sushi or wagammama in london :up:
al-ghazalli
15-12-06, 10:23 PM
As Salam Alikum
what im saying is that is from what the quran says, i dont refute Imam Hanafi''s RA studies never would i ever
forgive me Sidi if you felt I was being critcal of you this isn;t the case and we are all here to learn inshallah. :)
thus im saying that people only look at what he said that its haram to eat shellfish but they forget about the other scholars who also studied under him and came with more proof of permissability. (Even the prophet SAW said in his last sermon that people of future generations would understand things better.)
for if he says its haram then we totally cant eat it no matter what. then no one can eat it whether u a follower of the shafi'i, hambali etc it would not matter it would be outright haram.
But Allah did not say its haram in the Quran.
You are correct sidi in the aspect that no one is infalliable and they could always err in their ruling. But the beauty about a madhab is that hundreds of thousands of Scholars have gone through and refined the rulings of their particular madhab. Anything which was in conflict with the Qur`an and Sunnah were sorted out more then 700 years ago.
We can not say that one Mujtahids ijtihad is wrong and another Mujtahid's is correct when both present evidence from Qur`an and Sunnah to back up their claim.
in his commentary on the Sunan Tirmidhi Muft Taqi Usmani states Moreover, there is no mention in the Sunnah literature that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) or his Companions (Allah be pleased with them all) ever consumed the meat of a sea-animal besides the fish, hence if it was permitted, it would have at least been consumed once in order to show its permissibility. (Dars Tirmidhi, 1/280)
Animals that are born and live in water are all Haram with the exception of fish. All types of fishes are Halal, with the exception of that which dies naturally in the sea without any external cause. However, if a fish was to die due to some external cause such as cold, heat, being thrown to the shore by the water, colliding with a stone, etc, then it would be Halal.
Allah Most High says:
“Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine…..” (Surah al-Ma’idah, V: 53)
In the above verse, Allah Almighty forbade the meat of all dead animals without differentiating between sea-animals and land-animals. Thus, all sea-animals would also be included in this general prohibition. However, fish has been exempted from this general ruling due to the explicit mention of its permissibility by the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace).
this is the Hanafi ruling on seafood from www.sunnipath.com.
And with Allah is all Success.
Are there any types of seafood that Muslims are not permitted to eat?
Question:
Please forgive me for my ignorance in this matter. I am very interested in learning the ways of Islam. My question concerns dietary rulings. What types of fish and seafood are permissible?
Thank you for your help.
Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
Among the blessings that Allaah has bestowed upon us is the fact that He has made our religion easy for us, and has not made it too difficult or unbearable. He has allowed us many things that were forbidden according to previously-revealed laws. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “… Allaah intends for you ease, and He does not want to make things difficult for you…” [al-Baqarah 2:185].
Hence all kinds of food from the sea are permissible, whether they are plants or animals, alive or dead. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Lawful to you is (the pursuit of) water-game and its use for food – for the benefit of yourselves and those who travel…” [al-Maa’idah 5:96]. Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “ Sayduhu (lit. hunting, pursuit) refers to whatever is taken from it alive, and ta’aamuhu (lit. its food) means whatever is taken dead.”
There are a few things – certain types of water animals – which some scholars exclude from the permission outlined above. These are:
Crocodiles. The correct view is that eating these is not allowed, because they have fangs and live on land – even though they may spend a lot of time in the water – so precedence should be given to the reason for forbidding it (it is a land animal that has fangs).
Frogs. It is not permitted to eat them because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade killing them, as is reported in the hadeeth of ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Uthmaan, who said that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade the killing of frogs. (Narrated by Imaam Ahmad and Ibn Maajah; see also Saheeh al-Jaami, 6970). The rule is that everything which we are forbidden to kill, we are not allowed to eat; if we are allowed to eat it we are allowed to kill it.
Some scholars exclude sea snakes, but the correct view is that as they live nowhere except in the water, we are permitted to eat them, because of the general nature of the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “Lawful to you is (the pursuit of) water-game and its use for food – for the benefit of yourselves …” [al-Maa’idah 5:96].
Otters and turtles. The correct view is that to be on the safe side, it is permissible to eat them after slaughtering them properly, because they live both on land and in the sea. Here the rule is that in the case of animals that live both on land and in the sea, the rules concerning land animals should be given precedence, to be on the safe side, so they must be slaughtered properly, except for crabs which do not need to be slaughtered, even though they live both on land and in the sea, because they do not have blood.
Everything that can cause harm is forbidden as food, even if it comes from the sea, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “… And do not kill yourselves (nor kill one another). Surely, Allaah is Most Merciful to you.” [al-Nisa’ 4:29] and: “… and do not throw yourselves into destruction…” [al-Baqarah 2:195].
(See al-Mughni, 11/83; Haashiyah al-Rawd, 7/430; Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/19 and Ahkaam al-At’imah by al-Fawzaan).
And Allaah knows best.
Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
Are there any types of seafood that Muslims are not permitted to eat?
Question:
Please forgive me for my ignorance in this matter. I am very interested in learning the ways of Islam. My question concerns dietary rulings. What types of fish and seafood are permissible?
Thank you for your help.
Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
Among the blessings that Allaah has bestowed upon us is the fact that He has made our religion easy for us, and has not made it too difficult or unbearable. He has allowed us many things that were forbidden according to previously-revealed laws. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “… Allaah intends for you ease, and He does not want to make things difficult for you…” [al-Baqarah 2:185].
Hence all kinds of food from the sea are permissible, whether they are plants or animals, alive or dead. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Lawful to you is (the pursuit of) water-game and its use for food – for the benefit of yourselves and those who travel…” [al-Maa’idah 5:96]. Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “ Sayduhu (lit. hunting, pursuit) refers to whatever is taken from it alive, and ta’aamuhu (lit. its food) means whatever is taken dead.”
There are a few things – certain types of water animals – which some scholars exclude from the permission outlined above. These are:
Crocodiles. The correct view is that eating these is not allowed, because they have fangs and live on land – even though they may spend a lot of time in the water – so precedence should be given to the reason for forbidding it (it is a land animal that has fangs).
Frogs. It is not permitted to eat them because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade killing them, as is reported in the hadeeth of ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Uthmaan, who said that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade the killing of frogs. (Narrated by Imaam Ahmad and Ibn Maajah; see also Saheeh al-Jaami, 6970). The rule is that everything which we are forbidden to kill, we are not allowed to eat; if we are allowed to eat it we are allowed to kill it.
Some scholars exclude sea snakes, but the correct view is that as they live nowhere except in the water, we are permitted to eat them, because of the general nature of the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “Lawful to you is (the pursuit of) water-game and its use for food – for the benefit of yourselves …” [al-Maa’idah 5:96].
Otters and turtles. The correct view is that to be on the safe side, it is permissible to eat them after slaughtering them properly, because they live both on land and in the sea. Here the rule is that in the case of animals that live both on land and in the sea, the rules concerning land animals should be given precedence, to be on the safe side, so they must be slaughtered properly, except for crabs which do not need to be slaughtered, even though they live both on land and in the sea, because they do not have blood.
Everything that can cause harm is forbidden as food, even if it comes from the sea, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “… And do not kill yourselves (nor kill one another). Surely, Allaah is Most Merciful to you.” [al-Nisa’ 4:29] and: “… and do not throw yourselves into destruction…” [al-Baqarah 2:195].
(See al-Mughni, 11/83; Haashiyah al-Rawd, 7/430; Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/19 and Ahkaam al-At’imah by al-Fawzaan).
And Allaah knows best.
Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
All in the waters are halal. see the hadith & quran above, including mermaid if they existed !!
As Salam Alikum
forgive me Sidi if you felt I was being critcal of you this isn;t the case and we are all here to learn inshallah. :)
You are correct sidi in the aspect that no one is infalliable and they could always err in their ruling. But the beauty about a madhab is that hundreds of thousands of Scholars have gone through and refined the rulings of their particular madhab. Anything which was in conflict with the Qur`an and Sunnah were sorted out more then 700 years ago.
We can not say that one Mujtahids ijtihad is wrong and another Mujtahid's is correct when both present evidence from Qur`an and Sunnah to back up their claim.
in his commentary on the Sunan Tirmidhi Muft Taqi Usmani states (Dars Tirmidhi, 1/280)
Animals that are born and live in water are all Haram with the exception of fish. All types of fishes are Halal, with the exception of that which dies naturally in the sea without any external cause. However, if a fish was to die due to some external cause such as cold, heat, being thrown to the shore by the water, colliding with a stone, etc, then it would be Halal.
Allah Most High says:
“Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine…..” (Surah al-Ma’idah, V: 53)
In the above verse, Allah Almighty forbade the meat of all dead animals without differentiating between sea-animals and land-animals. Thus, all sea-animals would also be included in this general prohibition. However, fish has been exempted from this general ruling due to the explicit mention of its permissibility by the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace).
this is the Hanafi ruling on seafood from www.sunnipath.com.
And with Allah is all Success.
wa alaikumsalaam brother,
sorry me too did not mean that u meant to be critical :)
the thing is that the other imams are scholars too of imam hanafi RA. what im saying is that they did further research and thus came up with the info they have about sea creatures, im specifically speaking about shellfish the other landsea creatures that is understandable. im saying since the other scholars did further studies and thus came with a ruling other then it being haram, then does that not overide the haram ruling!
all im saying is that muslims should rather abstain from saying its haram for they have come to know more over the years of study (if i can put it that way with all respect to imam Hanafi's RA ruling). i'm not saying that imam Hanifah was ignorant on things, as he too went according to ahadith etc thus him and others said that if theres more sound proof then ignore what he said about things, and since there is other rulings from the other imams who came after him wouldnt u say that overides what he said about shellfish?
as i understand it, the other scholars furthered his studies, they did not say he was wrong in what he said caus that is what he knew in his time, but as time went on they studied and found more information as they too would not say something if it was against quran or sunnah intentionally.
if muslims feel they dont want to eat shellfish, then i'd say rather say u dont like it then to say its haram.
in his commentary on the Sunan Tirmidhi Muft Taqi Usmani states (Dars Tirmidhi, 1/280)
Animals that are born and live in water are all Haram with the exception of fish. All types of fishes are Halal, with the exception of that which dies naturally in the sea without any external cause. However, if a fish was to die due to some external cause such as cold, heat, being thrown to the shore by the water, colliding with a stone, etc, then it would be Halal.
Allah Most High says:
Akhi Assalamualikum,
dont you just try to assert a mazhab here by quoting Thirmidzi. wit all due respect to Thirmidzi, just because prophet didnt eat make it haram. Here is another example:
Ibn 'Umar reported: Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) was asked about the eating of (the flesh) of the lizard, whereupon he said: I am neither the eater of it nor its prohibitor. (Shahih Muslim)
this thing is taken too much exegesis on it. Quran & Hadiths are really clear on its prohibition, please dont confuse more people
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There are 2 things in Islam we must follow:
1. EVERY IBADAH/act of worship is HARAM , except what has been prescribed by Quran & Hadith. Examples: We cant make Maghrib prayer to 4 rakaat just because we feel its better to have more rakaat. This is not Ibadah, this is bidah/invention and bidah is worst than evil doing and it will lead us to hell fire.
2. EVERY FOOD & DRINK are HALAL , except what has been prohibited by Quran & Hadith . You cant make it something haram just because your doctor tells you its bad for you nor you cant make it something halal just because doctor/anyone says its good for you. Ex: Red wine, they say its good for you. what a crap.:D
Selamat
15-12-06, 11:22 PM
Okay, now you all tell me that squid is halal? I just went to the store and didn't buy squid because Arifa said it was haram. Now I have to go all the way back to the damned store to get those squid tubes! I should neg rep you, arifa!
al-ghazalli
15-12-06, 11:24 PM
Akhi Assalamualikum,
dont you just try to assert a mazhab here by quoting Thirmidzi. wit all due respect to Thirmidzi, just because prophet didnt eat make it haram. Here is another example:
Walakum As Salam
Sidi didn't I say "his commentary on Sunan Tirmidhi" why would you put words in my mouth?
Secondly I do not think you understand the rules of Usul al-Fiqh according to the hanafi fuqha. If you read over my post you would understand what I'm trying to say.
I myself do not have a problem with seafood since my madhab allows it, but I will not come out and say that the Hanafis are incorrect on this matter simply because I am not a Mujtahid, and there is no one alive who is.
Ijtihad can only be judged by Allah Most High, and on the Day of all Days he will inform us of who was correct in their Ijtihad and who was incorrect and inshallah they will all be given a reward for their efforts.
Okay, now you all tell me that squid is halal? I just went to the store and didn't buy squid because Arifa said it was haram. Now I have to go all the way back to the damned store to get those squid tubes! I should neg rep you, arifa!
Yes its halal bro, look at the last hadith I have presented. Just because prophet SAW didnt eat it and it would make this haram, no way !!
ze leetle elper
16-12-06, 09:06 AM
Prawns :inlove:
Otters and turtles. The correct view is that to be on the safe side, it is permissible to eat them after slaughtering them properly, because they live both on land and in the sea.
“Whoever avoids doubtful matters safeguards his religion,” Saying of our Beloved Messenger :saw:
If you wanna be on the safeside wouldnt you avoid that which is in doubt?
“Whoever avoids doubtful matters safeguards his religion,” Saying of our Beloved Messenger :saw:
If you wanna be on the safeside wouldnt you avoid that which is in doubt?
Otters and turtles. The correct view is that to be on the safe side, it is permissible to eat them after slaughtering them properly, because they live both on land and in the sea. Here the rule is that in the case of animals that live both on land and in the sea, the rules concerning land animals should be given precedence, to be on the safe side, so they must be slaughtered properly, except for crabs which do not need to be slaughtered, even though they live both on land and in the sea, because they do not have blood.
I think u misunderstood the shaikh akhi, the safe side is to slaughter them properly first like a fish u dont need to cut its throat, it will die when u take it out of the ocean, but because the turtle and otter live on the land and in the sea, then they need to be islamically slaughtered first, he then goes on to clarify this point with the example of a crab which also lives on the land and in the sea, a crab doesnt need to be islamically slaughtered.There is no doubt that otters and turtles are permissible to eat, the only issue is do they need to be Islamically slaughted or not, and to be on the safe side yes they do.
aboosait
16-12-06, 01:10 PM
Akhi Assalamualikum,
There are 2 things in Islam we must follow:
1. EVERY IBADAH/act of worship is HARAM , except what has been prescribed by Quran & Hadith. Examples: We cant make Maghrib prayer to 4 rakaat just because we feel its better to have more rakaat. This is not Ibadah, this is bidah/invention and bidah is worst than evil doing and it will lead us to hell fire.
2. EVERY FOOD & DRINK are HALAL , except what has been prohibited by Quran & Hadith . You cant make it something haram just because your doctor tells you its bad for you nor you cant make it something halal just because doctor/anyone says its good for you. Ex: Red wine, they say its good for you. what a crap.[/SIZE]
All those who are following and wish to follow Qur'an and Sunnah are agreed upon the above two points.
The 'Muquallids' in this forum are bringing in fabricated evidences to prove their stand in opposing Allah s.w.t. and Rasoolullah s.a.w. They are not ashamed to misquote and demean even the noble Imams Rahimahumullah. Some proofs are in this thread itself.
al-ghazalli
16-12-06, 01:47 PM
All those who are following and wish to follow Qur'an and Sunnah are agreed upon the above two points.
The 'Muquallids' in this forum are bringing in fabricated evidences to prove their stand in opposing Allah s.w.t. and Rasoolullah s.a.w. They are not ashamed to misquote and demean even the noble Imams Rahimahumullah. Some proofs are in this thread itself.
Err lol everyone is a muqallids some just choose to blindly follow Albani and his gang while others choose to stick to traditional scholarship.
As I mentioned you can not deny an Ijtihad of a Mujtahid when no one alive is a mujtahid...secondly you can not say that hundreds of thousands of Hanafi Ulema who have checked and refined the rulings within the respective madhab are deficent in knowlodge and have commited such gross blunders.
Its kinda sad how some people cant apreciate the fact that there is difference of opinion and rightly so.
So if some say its impermissible and have proof for it den just accept it. If you follow a rulling saying its permissible den go wid that. No point in going ohh Muqallids here and there, my sheikhs better den urs.
its funny how the traditional schools accept that a differnce another scholars opinion is acceptable but these other guys come along saying how everyones a non believe or against Allah if you dont accept there ruling :S
Err lol everyone is a muqallids some just choose to blindly follow Albani and his gang while others choose to stick to traditional scholarship.
As I mentioned you can not deny an Ijtihad of a Mujtahid when no one alive is a mujtahid...secondly you can not say that hundreds of thousands of Hanafi Ulema who have checked and refined the rulings within the respective madhab are deficent in knowlodge and have commited such gross blunders.
this is a completely innapropriate way to speak about those who have firstly, passed away may Allah ta ala give them jannah, and who we hope to share jannah with insha Allah ta ala, and secondly who dedicated their whole lives to study and teaching of Al Islam, the scolars of Islam will recieve a reward even if they made a mistake,if it was their sincere intention to guide people to the haq, all of the 4 imams, have their proofs, and as the brother rightly pointed out all of them said if you find any daleel from the Quran and sahih sunnah to over rule what i have said then that is my madhab. I dont see anywhere that the brother has claimed that hanifi ulema are deficient in knowledge he simply bought the proofs as have been bought by many scolars of Islam that all things from the sea are permissible. thirdly lets remind ourselves of what the prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said in the sahih ahadith and lets keep the respect for all of those brothers who dedicated their lives to establishing the truth insha Allah:
Abu Hurayrah narrated the messenger of Allah salallahu alleyhi wa salam said
"do not envy one another, do not turn away from one another and do not offer a lower price against one another so that you can sell your goods instead of the other, but be bondsmen of Allah and brethren. A Muslim is the brother of another Muslim, he should not opress him, nor lie to him, nor should he despise him, righteousness is here (he pointed to his heart three times) despising a Muslim is extremely evil. Everything that belongs to a Muslim, either his blood, property or fame, is forbidden to any other Muslim."
Sahih Muslim
It was narrated that Ibn Mas’ood said: "We were with the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) when a man got up and left. Immediately another man spoke disparagingly of him. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to him: ‘Clean between your teeth.’ He asked, ‘Why do I need to clean between my teeth? I have not eaten any meat.’ He said, ‘You have eaten your brother’s flesh." Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani
You who have accepted Islam with your tongues but whose hearts have not been reached by faith, do not misbehave with Muslims, nor revile them, nor seek out their faults; for he who seeks out the faults of his Muslim brother will have his, faults sought out by Allah, and he whose faults are sought out by Allah will be exposed by Him, even though he is the interior of his house." Abu Dawud and Tirmidhi
barakallahu feekum amin
al-ghazalli
16-12-06, 02:33 PM
this is a completely innapropriate way to speak about those who have firstly, passed away may Allah ta ala give them jannah, and who we hope to share jannah with insha Allah ta ala, and secondly who dedicated their whole lives to study and teaching of Al Islam,
I do not say this with my own words Syedia, I do say this because what the Ulema have stated on Shaykh Albani (May Allah Forgive Him). His book Sifatus Salah alone violates Scholarly trust of distorting the texts to suit his own opinion and this is not just this one book but throughout his writings one notes many contradictions and intentionally distortions of the classical texts.
One just needs to read his book and then go back to the original quotes he references and you will see the discrepancy.
More then 100 hundred Scholars in individual works have commented and have been critical of this.
the late Shaykh Abd al-Fattah Abu Ghudda wrote a treatise entitled Radd `ala abatil wa iftira'at Nasir al-Albani wa sahibihi sabiqan Zuhayr al-Shawish wa mu'azirihima.
Mukhtasar al-`Uluw (the abridgment) which is edited by Shaykh Albani is also tampered with one you look at the full text not the abridgment.
One example of distortion is Sifatu Salatin Nabi by Shaykh Albani.
He declares
صلوا كما رأيتموني أصلي
(women should pray like men for the generality of the hadith pray as you have seen me pray)
He then adds that this is the opinion of Ibrahim An-Nakha'i (Rahimullah)
وهو قول إبراهيم النخعي قال :
( تفعل المرأة في الصلاة كما يفعل الرجل )
أخرجه ابن أبي شيبة ( 1 / 75 / 2 ) بسند صحيح عنه
"This is the view of Ibrahim An-Nakha'i who said:
تفعل المرأة في الصلاة كما يفعل الرجل
'A woman does in prayer as does a man'
It has been transmitted by Ibn Abi Shaybah with an authentic chain." (Sifatu Salatin Nabi)
The hadith itself is found in Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah but the athar is distorted. It states;
تقعد المرأة في الصلاة كما يقعد الرجل
"A woman sits in prayer as sits a man"
this athar of An-Nakha'i actually means it is only permissible for a woman to sit in the same posture of a man.
He also overlooked the fact that Ibrahim An-Nakha'i (Rahimullah) that a woman should sit to her side (which Al-Albani conveniently overlooked):
إبْرَاهِيمَ قَالَ : تَجْلِسُ الْمَرْأَةُ مِنْ جَانِبٍ فِي الصَّلَاةِ
Ibrahim said "A woman sits to the side in prayer." (Musannaf, number 10)
This is why the Ulema maintain to avoid taking knowlodge from them.
And with Allah is all Success.
la howla wala qalta illah billah as salamu alaikum
I do not say this with my own words Syedia, I do say this because what the Ulema have stated on Shaykh Albani (May Allah Forgive Him). His book Sifatus Salah alone violates Scholarly trust of distorting the texts to suit his own opinion and this is not just this one book but throughout his writings one notes many contradictions and intentionally distortions of the classical texts.
One just needs to read his book and then go back to the original quotes he references and you will see the discrepancy.
More then 100 hundred Scholars in individual works have commented and have been critical of this.
the late Shaykh Abd al-Fattah Abu Ghudda wrote a treatise entitled Radd `ala abatil wa iftira'at Nasir al-Albani wa sahibihi sabiqan Zuhayr al-Shawish wa mu'azirihima.
Mukhtasar al-`Uluw (the abridgment) which is edited by Shaykh Albani is also tampered with one you look at the full text not the abridgment.
One example of distortion is Sifatu Salatin Nabi by Shaykh Albani.
He declares
صلوا كما رأيتموني أصلي
(women should pray like men for the generality of the hadith pray as you have seen me pray)
He then adds that this is the opinion of Ibrahim An-Nakha'i (Rahimullah)
وهو قول إبراهيم النخعي قال :
( تفعل المرأة في الصلاة كما يفعل الرجل )
أخرجه ابن أبي شيبة ( 1 / 75 / 2 ) بسند صحيح عنه
"This is the view of Ibrahim An-Nakha'i who said:
تفعل المرأة في الصلاة كما يفعل الرجل
'A woman does in prayer as does a man'
It has been transmitted by Ibn Abi Shaybah with an authentic chain." (Sifatu Salatin Nabi)
The hadith itself is found in Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah but the athar is distorted. It states;
تقعد المرأة في الصلاة كما يقعد الرجل
"A woman sits in prayer as sits a man"
this athar of An-Nakha'i actually means it is only permissible for a woman to sit in the same posture of a man.
He also overlooked the fact that Ibrahim An-Nakha'i (Rahimullah) that a woman should sit to her side (which Al-Albani conveniently overlooked):
إبْرَاهِيمَ قَالَ : تَجْلِسُ الْمَرْأَةُ مِنْ جَانِبٍ فِي الصَّلَاةِ
Ibrahim said "A woman sits to the side in prayer." (Musannaf, number 10)
This is why the Ulema maintain to avoid taking knowlodge from them.
And with Allah is all Success.
jazakaAllah kahir akhee
ive heard of that book although i havent read it, its available in alot of places and alot of people arte ignorant of what you have posted :( have you got more info in regards to what you have posted ?
Err lol everyone is a muqallids some just choose to blindly follow Albani and his gang while others choose to stick to traditional scholarship.
As I mentioned you can not deny an Ijtihad of a Mujtahid when no one alive is a mujtahid...secondly you can not say that hundreds of thousands of Hanafi Ulema who have checked and refined the rulings within the respective madhab are deficent in knowlodge and have commited such gross blunders.
It depends what kind of Ijtihaj it is.
1. We can do Ijtihaj if the Quran & Hadith didnt say anything on it but our Ijtihaj must be based on Quran & Hadith
2. If a Hukm/Law has been established, especially in this case on the merit of Quran and Hadith then there is ABSOLUTELY NO IJTIHAJ whatsoever if Quran & Sunnah have included them. see the ayat below.
(Holy Quran 33:36) It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path. -
why do we even have this converstion on things that live in 2 enviroments. could prophet SAW have forgotten it? dont try push our luck if Prophet SAW said ALL IN THE WATER IS HALAL !!! I dont care if they have triple phd degree from Al-Azhar, it wouldnt invalidate what prophet SAW said.
Walakum As Salam
Sidi didn't I say "his commentary on Sunan Tirmidhi" why would you put words in my mouth?
Secondly I do not think you understand the rules of Usul al-Fiqh according to the hanafi fuqha. If you read over my post you would understand what I'm trying to say.
I myself do not have a problem with seafood since my madhab allows it, but I will not come out and say that the Hanafis are incorrect on this matter simply because I am not a Mujtahid, and there is no one alive who is.
Ijtihad can only be judged by Allah Most High, and on the Day of all Days he will inform us of who was correct in their Ijtihad and who was incorrect and inshallah they will all be given a reward for their efforts.
why bother quoting any Mazhab? the ONLY Mazhab Muslim needs to worry is Mahzab of Prophet SAW. this is the failure of this ummah. this topic is going to last forever.
Would you rather drink pure spring water right from the spring water source or all the way to the river which could be contaminated ?? same principle with religion bro.
" The only saying of the faithful believers, when they are called to Allah (His Words, the Qur’aan) and His Messenger, to judge between them, is that they say ‘We hear and we obey.’ And such are the successful (who will live forever in Paradise) And whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger, fears Allah, and keeps his duty (to Him), such are the successful " Al-Noor 24:51-52
The Prophet Salallahu alleyhi wa salam said
"All of my Ummah Will Enter Jannah Except Those Who Refuse "
The Companions Asked "But Who Would Refuse!"
He, Salallahu alleyhi wa salam Replied
"Whoever Obeys Me Will Enter Paradise and Whoever Disobeys Me Has Refused to Enter Paradise"
Sahih Al Bukhari
“(And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allaah and in the Last Day”
[al-Nisa’ 4:59]
" The only saying of the faithful believers, when they are called to Allah (His Words, the Qur’aan) and His Messenger, to judge between them, is that they say ‘We hear and we obey.’ And such are the successful (who will live forever in Paradise) And whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger, fears Allah, and keeps his duty (to Him), such are the successful " Al-Noor 24:51-52
The Prophet Salallahu alleyhi wa salam said
"All of my Ummah Will Enter Jannah Except Those Who Refuse "
The Companions Asked "But Who Would Refuse!"
He, Salallahu alleyhi wa salam Replied
"Whoever Obeys Me Will Enter Paradise and Whoever Disobeys Me Has Refused to Enter Paradise"
Sahih Al Bukhari
“(And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allaah and in the Last Day”
[al-Nisa’ 4:59]
Excelent post Ukthi :up: I cant say something better !! can we nail the coffin on this subject pleaseeee? :D
Selamat
16-12-06, 05:46 PM
There is no doubt that otters...are permissible to eat.
Here's the thing, though: Aren't we forbidden from eating carnivorous land animals? Because otters are carnivours.
al-ghazalli
16-12-06, 05:54 PM
As Salam Alikum
Again the Hanafi Ulema base their proof on the quranic verse
“Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine…..” (Surah al-Ma’idah, V: 53)
In the above verse, Allah Almighty forbade the meat of all dead animals without differentiating between sea-animals and land-animals. Thus, all sea-animals would also be included in this general prohibition. However, fish has been exempted from this general ruling due to the explicit mention of its permissibility by the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace).
Secondly they state that none of the Sahaba ever reported either from athar or from hadiths that they or the Prophet (SAW) ate anything other then fish.
I'm not sure why you are to bent on proving your position when their is genuine iktilaf which the Ummah has agreed to disagree on this issue.
why bother quoting any Mazhab? the ONLY Mazhab Muslim needs to worry is Mahzab of Prophet SAW.
what exactly is the madhab of the Prophet (SAW)? How come even the Sahaba's themselves couldn't agree on general statements about the Prophet (SAW) were they ignorant of his rulings (noazbillah)?
How come Ibn Abbas said that when you touch a women (any women, wife or non-mahram) your wudu is broken but Umar and Ibn Umar disagreed with him, yet he never changed his opinion and stated that his position was correct. (Note: this ruling was adopted by Imam Shafi in his Madhab).
How come Ameel ul-Momineen Hadrat Aiesha stated that the al isra/mihraj was not physically but the Sahaba disagreed with her.
Many more differences but the Sahaba's never condemned each other but they agreed to disagree and left it at that..
This is why Umar bin Abdul Aziz stated "The difference within my Companions is a mercy for the Ummah"
Would anyone dare say that some of the Sahaba did not follow the Prophet (SAW) properly?
The logic you use is flawed..the reason why we have the four madhabs is because of the Sahaba
Their differences are recorded in four fiqh hence the difference of opinion in fiqh.
It is better to actually study fiqh before one comments on it without any knowlodge.
can we nail the coffin on this subject pleaseeee? :D
insha Allah I hope so :up: because this is leading no where fast other than people slandering others valid Islamic opinions,and scolars who know well what theyre talking about, and holding muslims in contempt. im out ...as salamu alaikum
Here's the thing, though: Aren't we forbidden from eating carnivorous land animals? Because otters are carnivours.
Does Surah Al-Maidah 5:1-3 Say that?
It is better to actually study fiqh before one comments on it without any knowlodge.
:up: true that akhee
jazakaAllah khair
but what are u both sugggesting that shaikh Muhammad saleh al munajjid is not a scolar of fiqh ? he gave all the proofs from Quran and sahih sunnah, see this is just not beneficical at all.this is what happens when people want to hold tight to prove their point, it is the truth that needs establishing not insulting our brothers,and the scolars of Islam.lets leave it here insha Allah ta ala.
Abu Noah
16-12-06, 08:39 PM
Its kinda sad how some people cant apreciate the fact that there is difference of opinion and rightly so.
So if some say its impermissible and have proof for it den just accept it. If you follow a rulling saying its permissible den go wid that. No point in going ohh Muqallids here and there, my sheikhs better den urs.
its funny how the traditional schools accept that a differnce another scholars opinion is acceptable but these other guys come along saying how everyones a non believe or against Allah if you dont accept there ruling :S
good post,
I always thought squid was haram, but now i am not so sure. I used to like calamari
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