Muslim girl, Atheist boy.

[senor]

So this has probably come up before, but these threads always get hijacked so i'll post in a shiny new thread.

Me = Atheist, Girlfriend = Muslim.
now if we were to get married whats the guidelines? I think religion is pants and i can't be un-rationalized, she 'likes' islam, although concedes lots of it is irrelevant in a modern world.

What should we do? and what if we can't do it and just do it anyway??

repurcussions, legitimaticy, validity? i mean this is a very personal thing, why should it be your(not u, anybody's) business?

thanks

[.: Anna :.]

Well if you want to know Islamically, the marriage is not going to be valid according to Islamic law so the relationship even though u would be "married" in UK law, would be a zina relationship in Islam (zina meaning fornication... which is not allowed.) So the girl needs to be aware of that.

[GothiKa]

So this has probably come up before, but these threads always get hijacked so i'll post in a shiny new thread.

Me = Atheist, Girlfriend = Muslim.
now if we were to get married whats the guidelines? I think religion is pants and i can't be un-rationalized, she 'likes' islam, although concedes lots of it is irrelevant in a modern world.

What should we do? and what if we can't do it and just do it anyway??

repurcussions, legitimaticy, validity? i mean this is a very personal thing, why should it be your(not u, anybody's) business?

thanks

with all due respect, your girlfriend is a stupid muslimah. However hard we muslims try to convince her that this is not the Islamically right thing, she will take no heed.

[Hekmaa]

Young man, the issue always arises when you have a mongrel mix of differences.

Let me explain more clearly, when you have milk in a cup, you know it is milk. You say, "a cup of milk".

When you have coffee in a cup, you know its coffee. You say "a cup of coffee".

Then comes the confusion, when you mix the two together, then you have something that is no longer milk, or coffee.

Your 'girl friend' tells you Islam is not relevant today, yet she feels it is important to her for what ever reason. Is like that coffee and milk mix. When its not one or the other, its confused.

So now this creates a dilemma for you. If you are really one of those free thinkers, and people who really want to know "my body what is it to you". Well by that same token you should also remember that a family is also one unit, one body. So that families body, what is it to you? Also in Islam we are like one body, so our body, what is it to you?

If you really love this girl, then cant you be liberated enough to start looking past her words and looks, and look at what is important to her family body and her universal brotherhood body. That is Islam.

Because both by Islam and her family, your marriage will not be valid or blessed. Now that will make life hard for her, which will rapidly pop the honey moon buble. So think deep and hard about this.

[sunrise]

Young man, the issue always arises when you have a mongrel mix of differences.

Let me explain more clearly, when you have milk in a cup, you know it is milk. You say, "a cup of milk".

When you have coffee in a cup, you know its coffee. You say "a cup of coffee".

Then comes the confusion, when you mix the two together, then you have something that is no longer milk, or coffee.

Your 'girl friend' tells you Islam is not relevant today, yet she feels it is important to her for what ever reason. Is like that coffee and milk mix. When its not one or the other, its confused.

So now this creates a dilemma for you. If you are really one of those free thinkers, and people who really want to know "my body what is it to you". Well by that same token you should also remember that a family is also one unit, one body. So that families body, what is it to you? Also in Islam we are like one body, so our body, what is it to you?

If you really love this girl, then cant you be liberated enough to start looking past her words and looks, and look at what is important to her family body and her universal brotherhood body. That is Islam.

Because both by Islam and her family, your marriage will not be valid or blessed. Now that will make life hard for her, which will rapidly pop the honey moon buble. So think deep and hard about this.




:up:

Conflicts are inevitable!! in this type of situation

[Tax-Man]

Dude either convert to islam or leave her alone, if you care for her in anyway respect the fact she is a muslimah and your just gonna cause her trouble in this dunya and the next, so bro I'd advise u to either convert or end it.

[imeg.org]

In the Name of Allâh, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
As Salaam-u-Alaikum

with respect... i would advice you to learn islam and get to know it.. if you really love her alot.. then learn her religion.. see what islam says.. because even if you guys get married.. it will cause lots of problem between you two.. emotionally and mantally and also to your kids too..

get to know islam and if you have any quesiton.. feel free to come back and post here or email me basit [at] imeg.org and i will get you the proper answers..

after knowing what Quran says.. what is islam and why we are here.. and what we struggle for.. and i would recommand you to just read Quran.. got to GlobalQuran.com (http://www.GlobalQuran.com) and start reading it.. it will take a week or so.. but its worht it for relationship.. if you are really serious about this and if you convert to islam.. then i think your guys relationship will be approved by islamic law and by parents.. and it will be good for you and her and the kids..

if you really serious.. then give little time and think about stuff and read.. im not saying just become muslim like that.. no.. read it.. whatever question you have.. ask.. dont be shy.. and i applogies if any brother or sister is being rude here..

our prophet (saw) was the best example and if he was here... trust me.. he would advice you in proper way and with politness...

khair... if you can.. then think and learn.. its best for your own benift..

may Allah (swt) show us the stright path and help us follow it.. ameeen

Wa Salaam-Alaikum

[Arifa]

Dude either convert to islam or leave her alone, if you care for her in anyway respect the fact she is a muslimah and your just gonna cause her trouble in this dunya and the next, so bro I'd advise u to either convert or end it.

Glossary:

D:

Dunya: world/life

[Arifa]

A

As Salaam-u-Alaikum: Peace be upon you/ Islamic greeting

K:

khair... ?

[Al-Saeed Abdi]

Question

When i got married, my husbnd told me before marriage that he was an atheist. I didn't think too much of it as my faith was also on shaky grounds. And i thought maybe i could change him (his parents are muslims). Then the year after marriage saw me not believing in Allah at all and sometimes believing in him, but my Imaan was not very strong. Then i started having problems with his parents, and my parents advised me to trust Allah and pray to Him. Alhamdu lillahh I started praying, because maybe somewhere deep inside me I knew Allah exists. My uncle passed away recently, he was only 25. This made me realise how unpredictable our lives are and have Alhamdulillah become a firm believer. But my husband beliefs are not like mine. Though he believes there is Allah and Prophet Muhammad (saw) is his messanger, he doesnt think it important to live by what he has taught us. He says it is for the people of that time. My question is, is our marriage void. If it is how do I make him understand, as he says that the important thing is our hearts should be clean. It doesn't matter if we drink or gamble or do anything. Incidentally he drinks.

Answer

Ruling on marrying an atheist (http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=22468&ln=eng&txt=marriage%20atheist)

[I don't know]

So this has probably come up before, but these threads always get hijacked so i'll post in a shiny new thread.

Me = Atheist, Girlfriend = Muslim.
now if we were to get married whats the guidelines? I think religion is pants and i can't be un-rationalized, she 'likes' islam, although concedes lots of it is irrelevant in a modern world.

What should we do? and what if we can't do it and just do it anyway??

repurcussions, legitimaticy, validity? i mean this is a very personal thing, why should it be your(not u, anybody's) business?

thanks- I think this is probably the wrong place to ask that question, and I doubt you'll get other replies than "convert or leave her alone".

Personally, I'd advice you to adopt a more respectful rhetoric ("religion is pants and i can't be un-rationalized") to keep the home peaceful -

I'd advice her to give a thurrough think through how this is going to affect her religiously and spiritually. Unlike what the link in the post above me says, women are not weak - and she would have to be strong in this situation, at least if she has a conservatively Muslim family.

In the end, the only ones that should decide this is you two - and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

I'm an atheist as well, though :p

[nami]

senor - shes probably lying to you, if she is muslim she would know that she should not have a boyfriend in the first place. i mean that is such a basic thing in islam i.e. no boyfriends/girlfriends. if she is not concerned about that then she is not concerned about islam at all, so you got nothing to worry about.

sorry for being so blunt, it really gets to me when i hear haraam like this.

[Fais]

senor - shes probably lying to you, if she is muslim she would know that she should not have a boyfriend in the first place. i mean that is such a basic thing in islam i.e. no boyfriends/girlfriends. if she is not concerned about that then she is not concerned about islam at all, so you got nothing to worry about.

sorry for being so blunt, it really gets to me when i hear haraam like this.

Yea i fully agree with that.

[Na'eemah]

Some muslims know that boyfriend/girlfriend relationship is haraam, yet they still do it.

[Arsalan]

Stick to your own kind infidel.

[imeg.org]

Yea i fully agree with that.

well i would agree too... but we all make mistakes in our lifes.. and no one is perfect.. rather then getting him learn islam.. we actually encourging him that she will be cool dont worry dude.. we support ya..

im sorry.. i dont think its much helpful with nami or fais brotehr agreeing.. so what.. if sister did somthing wrong.. that dose not mean.. just let her go more far away and dont help her... its our duty to help each other..

sorry.. if i said somthing worng

[senor]

first of all, thanks for the nice replys.

imeg i've already taken that, step. read the Koran, studied on Islam and its history. I'm very concerned with the truth. I discovered in Islam (and my own religion which was christianity) that truth and evidence are lacking. it was a process of realising that, as both religions were incompatible, by definition one was wrong thus i'd find holes in its methodology.

After studying both i later realised both had unexplainable voids.

Good points raised about family. i said above i was a christian. That was not a proactive choice, infact it wasn't a choice at all. it was relative to my parents labelling me such a way. Such is the results of that conditioning that i aim to let my own children choose their faith or non-faith. In family planning this is big grounds for conflict but it's the right thing to do.

You either belief and act for good reasons or bad reasons. I see a bad reason to convert to islam (i'd be doing it for marraige), yet a good reason to to stay togther(love and concern).

i'm gonna stick to the good reasons, and leave the choice to my girl.

oh to you guys 'i dont know' and nami, she's about as conservative as a boyfriend will allow. i guess its this cherry-picking from religion that frustrates the logic of this decision also.

(p.s. please don't make my "truth and evidence are lacking" point into a topic of argument, thats for another thread! :rolleyes: )

[Al-Saeed Abdi]

So this has probably come up before, but these threads always get hijacked so i'll post in a shiny new thread.What a convenient excuse for anything that doesn't quite conform to your liking.]Me = Atheist, Girlfriend = Muslim.
now if we were to get married whats the guidelines?It’s a no rule, so no need for guidelines.I think religion is pants and i can't be un-rationalized, she 'likes' islam, although concedes lots of it is irrelevant in a modern world.You think religion is pants, and from what you say it seems her views are not that far of the mark as well.repurcussions, legitimaticy, validity? i mean this is a very personal thing, why should it be your(not u, anybody's) business?This is not a matter concerning only the two of you, it concerns the wider society at large. In particular the Muslim nation. The seeds of your illegitimate relationship will be little confused bastards, although due to no fault of their own.

The best thing the both of you can do is disappear into some little corner of the earth, hiding away in shame for the rest of your miserable existence.

Kind regards

[Al-Saeed Abdi]

Some muslims know that boyfriend/girlfriend relationship is haraam, yet they still do it.
True, although when two Muslims engage in this it is a Sin. But when it is between a Muslim (woman) and a Kafir/non-Muslim (man) then it is a matter of Deen/way of life, and quite frankly the "sister’s" religion comes into question.

Ma'aSalaama

[Fais]

well i would agree too... but we all make mistakes in our lifes.. and no one is perfect.. rather then getting him learn islam.. we actually encourging him that she will be cool dont worry dude.. we support ya..

im sorry.. i dont think its much helpful with nami or fais brotehr agreeing.. so what.. if sister did somthing wrong.. that dose not mean.. just let her go more far away and dont help her... its our duty to help each other..

sorry.. if i said somthing worng

No, i agree with you if some does something wrong you should help them and give em a second chance if not a 3rd or even a fourth ... But she reminds me of some1 i know. So its a bit of a sensative subject for me personally and ive tried my hardest along with some many other people even the persons mother to try and change this person but the person just dont want to listen. What more can i do. Then comes a thought to your head ... The ones Allah guides no one can misguide and the one Allah misguides no one can guide.

[Fais]

True, although when two Muslims engage in this it is a Sin. But when it is between a Muslim (woman) and a Kafir/non-Muslim (man) then it is a matter of Deen/way of life, and quite frankly the "sister’s" religion comes into question.

Ma'aSalaama

Exactly ... "religion comes into question." .. Is that something she is willing to compromise? ... That says alot about a person.

[senor]

What a convenient excuse for anything that doesn't quite conform to your liking.It’s a no rule, so no need for guidelines.You think religion is pants, and from what you say it seems her views are not that far of the mark as well.This is not a matter concerning only the two of you, it concerns the wider society at large. In particular the Muslim nation. The seeds of your illegitimate relationship will be little confused bastards, although due to no fault of their own.

The best thing the both of you can do is disappear into some little corner of the earth, hiding away in shame for the rest of your miserable existence.

Kind regards


Point: new topic, new thread. "conform to my liking?" if that was the case i'd post in an atheist forum and get support rather that criticism (which i'm taking constructively, thanks).

Point: Religion is pants is quite a distance from praying everyday, halal eating ect - maybe i didn't give her that credit.

Point: Confused bastards, hehe, thats fresh. Thats why they'll choose son.

Point: Ok this concerns you? the representitive of the muslim nation? what an aggresive spokesperson. And this shame you speak of, as shameful as every other non muslim marraige? i can handle that, there'll be a big support group!;)

[imeg.org]

In the Name of Allâh, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
As Salaam-u-Alaikum

read Quran.. with "open heart" and read it again.. and understand it.. ya.. try to find the bad init.. see if you can.. but read it with open heart...

dont look at muslim action and what they say or do.. we all are humans and we all from adam.. one chain.. just devided into many different roots..

see whats the different between chirstanity and muslim.. watch some debates on youTube.com.. there are many.. see why jesus was send and what he did and what was writen in bible...

there are so many different version of bibles.. but there is only one Quran and only one...

we all pray to Allah (swt) who created us and we all bow down to him.. just whatever question you have .. ask.. and look at prophets.. forget us.. we did so many things wrong.. look at religion and not the people..

read, watch and learn it... read it with open heart and ask Allah who you and i pray too.. ask him for his help.. from seneor heart...


Wa Salaam-Alaikum

[Ummati Al Islam]

If she rejects/denies verses/rulings in Islam, then she may become a disbeliever too.

So then there will be no dilemma and you can both marry according to the British laws.

[Al-Fateh]

the magics of the west

not surprised anymore

[NaBiiHa]

the magics of the west

not surprised anymore


I thing its the magic of shaytan(satan):(

[I don't know]

The seeds of your illegitimate relationship will be little confused bastards, although due to no fault of their own.- Confusion can be uncomfortable, but certainty is absurd.

Some muslims know that boyfriend/girlfriend relationship is haraam, yet they still do it.- I'm kind of curious about the scriptural basis for this. I know that many western Christians are also keeping away from premarital sex - but they'll still have boy-/girlfriends, there just won't be any sex involved.

[TEH]

So senor...what did you expect from this thread?

[.: Anna :.]

- Confusion can be uncomfortable, but certainty is absurd.

- I'm kind of curious about the scriptural basis for this. I know that many western Christians are also keeping away from premarital sex - but they'll still have boy-/girlfriends, there just won't be any sex involved.

Because we are told not to come close to zina... having a bf / gf is coming close to zina. In Islam we have segregation and we dont have freemixing, which is something totally different than the christians

[Cristiana]

Stick to your own kind infidel.

No reason to be harsh, maybe his concern is genuine!

However I must say I am a little puzzled:

1) An atheist like you must be strongly atheist, not just out of laziness, because you looked into religions etc.

2) She is muslim, maybe a weak one, but still she believes.

I always thought that having different levels of faith within a couple is way more disruptive than having different religions.

Do you respect her more because she's a believer? can you say you apreciate this side of her fully? Can you encourage her to become more observant was she to decide to?

And what does she think about marrying you?

I mean, if she's ok dating/marrying an atheist (=against islam), what's the point in worrying about "going against islam"? I know we all are sinners but at the end of the day, put "I CARE" and "I DON'T CARE" on the scales: you either care or not.

:) I hope i wasn't too blunt. You seem a polite person and not the typical "in your face" atheist (="you are stupid to believe" kind of person).
I feel for you because your heart is hard and the way i see it you are making this life harder and in a way miserable for yourself (not to even mention the afterlife!)...anyway...

I hope you will find what you are looking for:)

[Bentali86]

So this has probably come up before, but these threads always get hijacked so i'll post in a shiny new thread.

Me = Atheist, Girlfriend = Muslim.
now if we were to get married whats the guidelines? I think religion is pants and i can't be un-rationalized, she 'likes' islam, although concedes lots of it is irrelevant in a modern world.

What should we do? and what if we can't do it and just do it anyway??

repurcussions, legitimaticy, validity? i mean this is a very personal thing, why should it be your(not u, anybody's) business?

thanks


If she "likes" Islam she should practice it and learn more about it.
Maybe than she'll relize she "doesn't" like you.

Every marriage I've heard of, in which a Muslim girl marries a nonmuslim, it always ends in a seperation/divorce.

Think. Learn. Act.

[.: Rashid :.]

Muslims have muslim bgs/gfs is bad enough without ones with kafir ones...:mad:

Subhanallah...

Allahumaghfirli wal muslimeen...if they're still Muslimeen that is :( Allah guide them back to islam if not...

Fais, i feel ya :(

-Rashid

[Z-Blade]

Muslims have muslim bgs/gfs is bad enough without ones with kafir ones...:mad:

Subhanallah...

Allahumaghfirli wal muslimeen...if they're still Muslimeen that is :( Allah guide them back to islam if not...

Fais, i feel ya :(

-Rashid

I feel ya both! :( :crying2:

Ya Allah! Restore our dignity and our Izzat! Make us of the Muttaqun and let us overcome the Devil! Ameen!

[.: Rashid :.]

I feel ya both! :( :crying2:

Ya Allah! Restore our dignity and our Izzat! Make us of the Muttaqun and let us overcome the Devil! Ameen!

AMEEN

-Rashid

[Fais]

I feel ya both! :( :crying2:

Ya Allah! Restore our dignity and our Izzat! Make us of the Muttaqun and let us overcome the Devil! Ameen!

Ameen :crying: ...

[Al Qadr]

Ameen@Dua

[senor]

For you guys asking why i posted this, a question on marriage with a muslim, in a public muslim forum in a marriage category. :rolleyes: well let me explain .

i wanted to know the general muslim communities views, to see if there was a way or others had similar experiences.

Learning from someone elses mistakes as it were.

I believe it was a good decision too as the feedback is great, admitedly not on my side, and i've learnt a thing or two about the muslim nature of belief.

Does my problem go away because i've posted it on Ummah - no. But am i recieving a lot of possible solutions - Yes.

Which one will i consider? Thats very much a personal choice,

Thanks

:hidban:

[Abdelrhman]

Think of it like this:

If she decides one day to become a strict Muslimah (it happens to a LOT of people, born-Muslims or converts, so don't think it's far-fetched), your marriage is null and void in Islamic terms and she can just pack her things and leave on the spot.

EDIT:

Ameen to the dua'.

Just want to add that even if she doesn't become a strict Muslimah, just as long as she becomes a practicing one, you're screwed. One of the basic rules of marriage in Islam is Muslim women can't marry non-Muslim men. So she'd never be able to even begin practicing without divorcing you. And the first step would be her immediate removal from your house, covering up her body and hair in your presence, and not being in the same room with you alone anymore, without a third person (Adult) present. So basically you can go from being a loving husband to a complete stranger instantly.
Think about that.

[baba]

Senor,

My only advice here is to think long-term. In the future your girlfriend's views may change completely; she may become more like yourself, or she may become a devout Muslim, end the marriage, and take the kids.

It reminds me of a couple I used to know, the guy was nominally Muslim and the woman nominally Christian. They had kids, and after a while the woman became a lightly-practising Christian and started taking the kids to church. This offended the guy... and to cut a long story short, the marriage broke up and she took custody of the kids. (For those who are wondering, the guy is now a practising Muslim.)

So you should be prepared for the fact that she may decide, somewhere down the line, to bring up the children as practising Muslims - even if she doesn't fully practice herself. And if you try to stop that, it may well lead to divorce.

Is it worth it?

[I don't know]

Because we are told not to come close to zina... having a bf / gf is coming close to zina. In Islam we have segregation and we dont have freemixing, which is something totally different than the christians- Like I said, I'd like to see the scriptural basis for this. I know this isn't something all Muslims agree on, seeing that I have good friends that are very devoutly Muslimas.

[alialiyan]

:ahb: Young man, the issue always arises when you have a mongrel mix of differences.

Let me explain more clearly, when you have milk in a cup, you know it is milk. You say, "a cup of milk".

When you have coffee in a cup, you know its coffee. You say "a cup of coffee".

Then comes the confusion, when you mix the two together, then you have something that is no longer milk, or coffee.

Your 'girl friend' tells you Islam is not relevant today, yet she feels it is important to her for what ever reason. Is like that coffee and milk mix. When its not one or the other, its confused.

So now this creates a dilemma for you. If you are really one of those free thinkers, and people who really want to know "my body what is it to you". Well by that same token you should also remember that a family is also one unit, one body. So that families body, what is it to you? Also in Islam we are like one body, so our body, what is it to you?

If you really love this girl, then cant you be liberated enough to start looking past her words and looks, and look at what is important to her family body and her universal brotherhood body. That is Islam.

Because both by Islam and her family, your marriage will not be valid or blessed. Now that will make life hard for her, which will rapidly pop the honey moon buble. So think deep and hard about this.



That Is well said Mashallah.

Personally am a Muslim girl who didnt plan to but fell in love with a non muslim. both of us did. I always knew I liked him and he said it one day and right from the start I told him it is not possible as am a muslim and have to marry a muslim man. This Person has more then exceeded in the short space of time and become and always furthering his knowlegde become a real good muslim ( a far better one then me) Allhumdulillah.

For you I would advise read about Islam and Allah will guide u and u will see the beauty in this and also you can help her see this as the man am going to marry has done to me.


waslaam

[barodate]

the way you describe the girl is that of a murtad anyway so go ahead get married no difference :rolleyes:

[hudders128]

Point: new topic, new thread. "conform to my liking?" if that was the case i'd post in an atheist forum and get support rather that criticism (which i'm taking constructively, thanks).

Point: Religion is pants is quite a distance from praying everyday, halal eating ect - maybe i didn't give her that credit.

Point: Confused bastards, hehe, thats fresh. Thats why they'll choose son.

Point: Ok this concerns you? the representitive of the muslim nation? what an aggresive spokesperson. And this shame you speak of, as shameful as every other non muslim marraige? i can handle that, there'll be a big support group!;)

brother, i have pm you.

Please dont get too bothered by this view. it is the view of a devout muslim and is legitimate, but he isnt being very supportive now is he! :rolleyes:
If you truly love this girl, and want to be with her, do what i did... open your heart, but at the same time keep your eyes and intelligence at hand because there is no leap of faith necessary to find Islam IF you are sincere to yourself. It's worth the risk.

EVERYBODY...

Allah guides, not us. I was this guy 1 year ago, atheist, though religion was destructive, and im glad i was sincere and was informed by brothers that knew the true Islam inside out. Every question i had was answered in the opposite way i was lead to believe it would be .

[Kal-El]

It's not wise in marrying her if she is undecided about how important her religion is to her right now and in her future. If you two do marry regardless, then she could fully embrace Islam and your marriage will suffer as your two different lifestyles will conflict.

But she might never fully embrace Islam, then there wouldnt be a problem between you two in your marriage about religion in general, meaning then you shouldn't fear marrying her now.

Either way, you really need to get an answer from her about this before you do marry her.

But I recommend you leave her if you truly love her, because she will be punished in the after-life if you take her down this route.

[ghanamuslima]

So this has probably come up before, but these threads always get hijacked so i'll post in a shiny new thread.

Me = Atheist, Girlfriend = Muslim.
now if we were to get married whats the guidelines? I think religion is pants and i can't be un-rationalized, she 'likes' islam, although concedes lots of it is irrelevant in a modern world.

What should we do? and what if we can't do it and just do it anyway??

repurcussions, legitimaticy, validity? i mean this is a very personal thing, why should it be your(not u, anybody's) business?

thanks

NOT PERMISSABLE, and why is it that there's so much of this going on? the muslim woman is not permitted to marry outside of her deen. subhanallah:(

[Medievalist]

yr both fornicators - even if u have a civil marriage ceremony - its void in our religion so thats the ruling.

find out abt islaam from ppl - preferably ppl who practice and have a stronger faith - might be something u like bruv.

[tauheedul]

I understand that you do not like religion etc. But i would highly recommend you learn more about Islam, not from what you read on the News etc. But through proper means.

If you are going to embrace Islam, do not embrace it for the sake of a marriage. This is not allowed, you should embrace Islam through your own will, so that if your marriage doesnt work out you should still remain muslim.

Islamically your Marriage would not be Just. There may be conflict between families and beliefs etc. Say for example you have a child what would the child be Muslim or Athiest?. There will be conflicting values and such things can possibly lead to major arguments etc.

Your "Girlfriend" should seriously look into Islam for herself and learn the basics. She may think it is "Outdated" but if she looks into it for herself properly, she will see otherwise.

[-Jibril-]

Look the guy said it here in plain english for the world to read, the GIRL DONT THINK ISLAM IS RELEVANT TO OUR TIMES...
Khalas, I mean, why you tryin to convert them for, they deserve each other, he is atheist, she's nearly turning into one, let them be.

Allah is purifyin this ummah by getting rid of the bad apples, so only the pure and righteous shall remain, who will take the deen forward and make it prevail over all others.

I say to the guy who posted this, dont come here on this muslim forum with your pathetic and ridiculous questions and expect us to be nice to you, when you're using phrases like you think religion is pants...

[Kubs]

Look the guy said it here in plain english for the world to read, the GIRL DONT THINK ISLAM IS RELEVANT TO OUR TIMES...
Khalas, I mean, why you tryin to convert them for, they deserve each other, he is atheist, she's nearly turning into one, let them be.

Allah is purifyin this ummah by getting rid of the bad apples, so only the pure and righteous shall remain, who will take the deen forward and make it prevail over all others.

I say to the guy who posted this, dont come here on this muslim forum with your pathetic and ridiculous questions and expect us to be nice to you, when you're using phrases like you think religion is pants...

I think you've just exaggerated everything Jibril. He came for advice since he wanted an answer from a Muslim perspective. That's what we gave him. There's no need for the insults.

I can't be bothered to give my advice because other members pretty much said it all. :up: