So You Have A Thing For Music

[ur_yusra]

Narrated Abu 'آmir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari that he heard the Prophet [sal-Allâhu 'alayhi wa sallam] saying: "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks, and the use of musical instruments as lawful. And (from them), there will be some who will stay near the side of a mountain, and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him: 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allâh will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs; and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection." [Sahih Al-Bukhari, 7/5590]

In light of this hadith I wish to know how people come to the conclusion that playing instruments is perfectly valid?

The prophet (SAW) in this hadith used the committing of illegal sexual intercourse and the drinking of alcohol in the same sentence as that of playing instruments. What does that indicate apart from the sins being equal if not similar in weight? (Allahu Aalim).

How can you justify the playing of instruments and listening to music?

[Hafsah]

:jkk: sis

good reminder

i really don't understand how people can try and justify listening/playing music...its so clear

if you wanna do it..go ahead...but don't try and make yourself better by trying to justify it

[Al-Nasser]

the only problem here is not that they (or should i say we?) try to justify it because of our hawaa, but because a very famous hadith scholar like Ibn Hazm Al Andalusi said that Music is not haram (unless the lyrics are haram or the place the music is played in..etc)..........pay attention please....he was a hadith scholar....he was specialized in hadith

[Fais]

What is an instrument? ... is it a stringed musical thing? .. that wouldn't include a Drum then would it?

[Al-Nasser]

It is reported that many Companions of the Prophet (may Allah be pleased with them) as well as second generation Muslim scholars used to listen to singing and did not see anything wrong with it. As for the ahadith which have been reported against singing, they are all weak and have been shown by researchers to be unsound. The jurist Abu Bakr al-'Arabi says, "No sound hadith is available concerning the prohibition of singing," while Ibn Hazm says, "All that is reported on this subject is false and fabricated "

However, since singing is in many cases associated with drinking parties and night clubs, many scholars have declared it to be haram or at least makruh. They state that singing constitutes that kind of idle talk which is mentioned in the ayah, And among the people is the one who buys idle talk (at the expense of his soul) in order to lead (people) astray from the path of Allah without knowledge, holding it in mockery; for such there will be a humiliating punishment. (31:6)

Says Ibn Hazm: This verse condemns a particular behavior, that of doing something to mock the path of Allah. Anyone who does this is an unbeliever; if he even should buy a copy of the Qur'an, doing so in order to make it the object of his mockery and thereby leading people astray, he would be an unbeliever. It is this type of behavior which is condemned by Allah and not the idle talk in which one may indulge for mere relaxation, without intending to lead people astray from the path of Allah.

Ibn Hazm also refutes the argument of those who say that since singing is not of "the truth" it must be of "error," referring to the verse, "And what is beyond the truth except error?" (10:32). He comments, The Messenger of Allah (peace be on him) said, 'Deeds will be judged according to intentions, and everyone will get what he intended.' (Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) Accordingly, the one who listens to singing with the intention of using it in support of a sin is a sinner, and this holds true of anything other than singing (as well), while one who listens to singing with the intention of refreshing his soul in order to gain strength to do his duty toward Allah Ta'ala and to dogood deeds, is a good and obedient servant of Allah, and his action is of the truth. And he who listens to singing intending neither obedience nor disobedience is doing something neutral and harmless, whicis similar to going to the park and walking around, standing by a window and looking at the sky, wearing blue or green cloths, and so on.


http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/hh/music.html

[ur_yusra]

http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/hh/music.html

Singing is not the issue here but jazakAllahu khayr.

It is the playing of instruments which the hadith mentions to be unlawful.

[Al-Nasser]

Singing is not the issue here but jazakAllahu khayr.

It is the playing of instruments which the hadith mentions to be unlawful.

just a translation error

what they mean by singing is "music"......no scholar would argue about singing because it is a fact from sahih hadith that the prophet :saw: did sing with the sahabi in two different occasions at least

[ur_yusra]

just a translation error

what they mean by singing is "music"......no scholar would argue about singing because it is a fact from sahih hadith that the prophet :saw: did sing with the sahabi in two different occasions at least

So your saying music hence playing of instruments is halaal? But what does this hadith mean then?

[Al-Nasser]

So your saying music hence playing of instruments is halaal? But what does this hadith mean then?

there is a problem about it

Ibn Hazm suggest that the isnaad of this hadith is disconnected "Munqati" and so it doesn't qualify to be a sound proof.....but the other scholars say that Ibn Hazm has some weird mistakes and this is one of them

read about it in depth here (http://www.islamworld.net/music.html)

[Hafsah]

"Leave that which you doubt for that which you do not doubt” [Ahmad, at-Tirmidhee, an-Nisa’ee]

[RaverRobot]

I only listen to trance and techno, and they're composed of synthesized beats made from a machine. That wouldn't count as a musical instrument. It's a machine.

[Al-Nasser]

I only listen to trance and techno, and they're composed of synthesized beats made from a machine. That wouldn't count as a musical instrument. It's a machine.

give me a big hug, comarde :there:

[GothiKa]

I lost my interest in music a long tme ago. but I do admire Ibn Hazm(ra). It is probable that he's right. Read Muhammad Zubayr Siddique's "TheHadithForBeginners" to find out about the contribution in the field of hadith literature made by the eminent spaniard.

[Umar`]

I only listen to trance and techno, and they're composed of synthesized beats made from a machine. That wouldn't count as a musical instrument. It's a machine.

which is sampled from a drum

[Khubaib]

I see there is a response to the thread what instrument do you play :D .

The science of hadith is complicated and I only know the minimum about it. But we cannot doubt the authenticity of hadith in Bukhari and Muslim. They are the standards; if that happens we'll have "modern scholars" coming and denying all hadith and saying the Quran is all we need and such nonsense. :D

Off topic. What is a dhimmi?

[Arifa]

Off topic. What is a dhimmi?

A non-muslim that lives in a muslim country/land. I think...

[Khubaib]

A non-muslim that lives in a muslim country/land. I think...

:jkk: sis!

[TEH]

there is a problem about it

Ibn Hazm suggest that the isnaad of this hadith is disconnected "Munqati" and so it doesn't qualify to be a sound proof.....but the other scholars say that Ibn Hazm has some weird mistakes and this is one of them

read about it in depth here (http://www.islamworld.net/music.html)

Did Ibn Hazm follow a particular Madhab out of interest?

:)

[ur_yusra]

there is a problem about it

Ibn Hazm suggest that the isnaad of this hadith is disconnected "Munqati" and so it doesn't qualify to be a sound proof.....but the other scholars say that Ibn Hazm has some weird mistakes and this is one of them

read about it in depth here (http://www.islamworld.net/music.html)

Mind my ignorance, but please tell me more about Ibn Hazm?

[GothiKa]

you should be able to find some of his books at www.muslimphilosophy.com

[TEH]

Regardless, there is still an overwhelming majority calling it haraam...non percussion instruments anyway...

[Al-Irhaab]

refutation of alleged ibn hazm (rh) opinion... its surprising when people go and follow ibn hazm (rh) in just one opinion because it suits them...

http://www.islamworld.net/music.html

ibn hazm (rh) was nowhere near on the level of abu hajr (rh) when it comes to hadith...

[al-ghazalli]

As Salam Alikum


remember let us not be critical of those who do listen to music since the Maliki Fuqha have allowed music and musical instruments.

Imam Dhahabi (Rahimullah) the great Hanbali Jurist confirms this in his Siyar.

[Al-Irhaab]

imam malik forbade musical instruements and the opinion of the maliki madhab is tha musical instruements are haram... just because one maliki scholar says something it doesnt change the ruling of the madhab...

Music has been condemned strongly in the Qur’aan and Hadith. In Surah Luqmaan, Allah Ta’ala states, ‘And from mankind are those that purchase futile speech in order to mislead others from the path of Allah.’

Under the commentary of this verse, ibn Abbaas [Radhiallaahu anhu] states, ‘futile speech’ refers to music and things related to it. (Durrul Manthoor vol.5 pg.307). In Surah Israaeel, Allah Ta’ala states, ‘And excite any of whom you can with your voice.’ Imaam Mujaahid mentions, ‘voice’ refers to music. (Roohul Ma’aani)

Nabi [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] mentions, ‘There will be people from my Ummah who will seek to make lawful fornication, wearing of silk, wine and the use of musical instruments.’ (Bukhaari vol.2 pg.837). Rasulullah [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] states, ‘A group of my Ummah will drink wine calling it by other than its real name. merry will be made for them through the playing of musical instruments and by the singing of females. Allah will cleave the earth under them and turn them into apes and swines.’ (Abu Dawud vol.2 pg.519)

Rasulullah [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] further mentions, ‘Music grows hypocrisy in the heart just as water causes crops to grow.’ (Bayhaqi vol.10 pg.222). Thus, even conceding that there is benefit in such songs, the fact that music is clearly and expressly condemned in the Qur’aan and Hadith would make such songs Haraam.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

All types of musical instruments under all circumstances including ‘Jihaadi music’ are Haraam.

Hadhrat Abi-Umaamah (Radhiallaahu Anhu) said that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, ‘Verily, Allah has sent me as a mercy for the worlds and as a means of guidance for the worlds, and He has commanded me to destroy musical instruments (flute, etc.) and idols…’ (Mishkaatpg.318)

There are other permissible ways of motivating one for Jihaad. That is by inspiring talks and poetry. Anything Haraam cannot be justified even for a good cause.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

[Al-Irhaab]

As Salam Alikum


remember let us not be critical of those who do listen to music since the Maliki Fuqha have allowed music and musical instruments.

Imam Dhahabi (Rahimullah) the great Hanbali Jurist confirms this in his Siyar.



Imaam Maalik It is related by Ibnul-Jowzi that Ishaaq bin Eesaa At-Tabaa asked Imaam Maalik bin Anas, the leading jurisprudence of Madeenah, about the view of the people of Madeenah regarding singing (ghinaa). He replied, "In fact, that is done by the sinful ones. "Abut-teeb At-Tabari said, "As for Maalik bin Anas, he truly did prohibit singing and listening to it. " He further related that Maalik said, "If one purchased a slave-girl and found her to be a professional singer, he could return her to the original owner for reimbursement on the claim of having found fault in the merchandise." The ruling of prohibition (tahreem) is generally agreed upon by the scholars of Madeenah. The Maaliki jurisprudence and commentator, Al-Qurtubi , reports Ibn Khuwayz Mandaad as saying that Imam Maalik had learned singing and music as a small boy until his mother encouraged him to leave it for a study of the religious sciences. He did, and his view became that such things were prohibited. Al-Qurtubi confirmed Maaliks view by saying that the only exception to this general ruling was the type of innocent songs such as those sung to placate the camels during travel, or during hard labour or boredom or during times of festivity and joy, such as the Eed days and weddings-the latter to the accompaniment of a simple duff(hand drum). Al-Qurtubi then said, "As for that which is done in our day, by way of the (blameworthy) innovations (bidah) of the Sufi mystics in their addition to hearing songs to the accompaniment of melodious instruments such as flutes, string instruments such as flutes, string instruments etc. such is haraam(forbidden)

[Abu Hasim]

there's numerous sahih hadith that prohibit music along with the tafsir of ibn masood and ibn abbas. There's several authentic narrations that mention ibn masood and ibn abbas swearing by allah its haram.

what your talking about isnt maliki mathab its the sufi mathab. why dont you just be honest you dont follow imam malik you follow sufi sheikh

[Al-Irhaab]

there's numerous sahih hadith that prohibit music along with the tafsir of ibn masood and ibn abbas. There's several authentic narrations that mention ibn masood and ibn abbas swearing by allah its haram.

what your talking about isnt maliki mathab its the sufi mathab. why dont you just be honest you dont follow imam malik you follow sufi sheikh

kind of strange innit quoting a hanbali scholar to prove the maliki opinion :scratch:

[al-ghazalli]

no the relied upon in our madhab is that Music is permissible this has been narrated by the Mujtahid Qadi Abu Bakr ibn Arabi (Maliki Jurist and Mujtahid)

Imam Ibn Ashir who wrote our basic fiqh manual called al-murshid al-muin concurs with this view.

Both relate that it was the amal of Medina, Amal carries more weight then any ahad hadith since we the maliki's believe that the amal was the living sunnah (actions of the Sahaba and Tabien) and its a qati mutwatir proof in our Usul.


Ibn as-Sam’ānī, Ibn Qutaybah who wrote al-Imtā’a, reported it from the Qādhī of Madīnah also agreed with this view.

Al-Ustādh Abū Manšūr and al-Farānī related from Mālik the
permissibility of the ‘ūd.

Abū al-Fadhl bin Ţāhir related in his composition about music sessions that there is not dispute between the People of Madīnah in thepermissibility of the ‘ūd.

As you can see our classical Ulema agreed on this topic, I do not deny that the minority opinion in our madhab is different but the mashur is on the allowance of music and musical instruments.

And with respect to Mufi Desai whom I've had the pleasure to meet when he was in Toronto, he does not have an Ijaza in our madhab so he would not be aware of all of our rulings.

And with Allah is all Success.

[Khubaib]

imam malik forbade musical instruements and the opinion of the maliki madhab is tha musical instruements are haram... just because one maliki scholar says something it doesnt change the ruling of the madhab...

Music has been condemned strongly in the Qur’aan and Hadith. In Surah Luqmaan, Allah Ta’ala states, ‘And from mankind are those that purchase futile speech in order to mislead others from the path of Allah.’

Under the commentary of this verse, ibn Abbaas [Radhiallaahu anhu] states, ‘futile speech’ refers to music and things related to it. (Durrul Manthoor vol.5 pg.307). In Surah Israaeel, Allah Ta’ala states, ‘And excite any of whom you can with your voice.’ Imaam Mujaahid mentions, ‘voice’ refers to music. (Roohul Ma’aani)

Nabi [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] mentions, ‘There will be people from my Ummah who will seek to make lawful fornication, wearing of silk, wine and the use of musical instruments.’ (Bukhaari vol.2 pg.837). Rasulullah [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] states, ‘A group of my Ummah will drink wine calling it by other than its real name. merry will be made for them through the playing of musical instruments and by the singing of females. Allah will cleave the earth under them and turn them into apes and swines.’ (Abu Dawud vol.2 pg.519)

Rasulullah [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] further mentions, ‘Music grows hypocrisy in the heart just as water causes crops to grow.’ (Bayhaqi vol.10 pg.222). Thus, even conceding that there is benefit in such songs, the fact that music is clearly and expressly condemned in the Qur’aan and Hadith would make such songs Haraam.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

All types of musical instruments under all circumstances including ‘Jihaadi music’ are Haraam.

Hadhrat Abi-Umaamah (Radhiallaahu Anhu) said that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, ‘Verily, Allah has sent me as a mercy for the worlds and as a means of guidance for the worlds, and He has commanded me to destroy musical instruments (flute, etc.) and idols…’ (Mishkaatpg.318)

There are other permissible ways of motivating one for Jihaad. That is by inspiring talks and poetry. Anything Haraam cannot be justified even for a good cause.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai




:jkk:
Strong evidence.
It says -You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Al-Irhaab again.

[al-ghazalli]

what your talking about isnt maliki mathab its the sufi mathab. why dont you just be honest you dont follow imam malik you follow sufi sheikh

its very unfortunate Sidi that you would label someone whom you do not even know, this is not the sunnah of our beloved Messanger (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him).

Secondly I consider tasawwuf to be a valid science but I have not given biyah to any Shaykh who teaches tasawwuf inshallah one day I will.

[muslim_sis]

:jkk:
Strong evidence.
It says -You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Al-Irhaab again.
jazakallah for posting Yusra.

btw khubaib what does ur user name mean ? i like it !??

[Al-Irhaab]

no the relied upon in our madhab is that Music is permissible this has been narrated by the Mujtahid Qadi Abu Bakr ibn Arabi (Maliki Jurist and Mujtahid)

Imam Ibn Ashir who wrote our basic fiqh manual called al-murshid al-muin concurs with this view.

Both relate that it was the amal of Medina, Amal carries more weight then any ahad hadith since we the maliki's believe that the amal was the living sunnah (actions of the Sahaba and Tabien) and its a qati mutwatir proof in our Usul.


Ibn as-Sam’ānī, Ibn Qutaybah who wrote al-Imtā’a, reported it from the Qādhī of Madīnah also agreed with this view.

Al-Ustādh Abū Manšūr and al-Farānī related from Mālik the
permissibility of the ‘ūd.

Abū al-Fadhl bin Ţāhir related in his composition about music sessions that there is not dispute between the People of Madīnah in thepermissibility of the ‘ūd.

As you can see our classical Ulema agreed on this topic, I do not deny that the minority opinion in our madhab is different but the mashur is on the allowance of music and musical instruments.

And with respect to Mufi Desai whom I've had the pleasure to meet when he was in Toronto, he does not have an Ijaza in our madhab so he would not be aware of all of our rulings.

And with Allah is all Success.

this is not from mufti desai...surprising u were the one that quoted the hanbali scholar first to give the maliki opinion and then even though it wasnt from mufti desai you had a problem with a hanafi scholar giving the maliki opinion... anyway this is from imam malik

Imaam Maalik It is related by Ibnul-Jowzi that Ishaaq bin Eesaa At-Tabaa asked Imaam Maalik bin Anas, the leading jurisprudence of Madeenah, about the view of the people of Madeenah regarding singing (ghinaa). He replied, "In fact, that is done by the sinful ones. "Abut-teeb At-Tabari said, "As for Maalik bin Anas, he truly did prohibit singing and listening to it. " He further related that Maalik said, "If one purchased a slave-girl and found her to be a professional singer, he could return her to the original owner for reimbursement on the claim of having found fault in the merchandise." The ruling of prohibition (tahreem) is generally agreed upon by the scholars of Madeenah. The Maaliki jurisprudence and commentator, Al-Qurtubi , reports Ibn Khuwayz Mandaad as saying that Imam Maalik had learned singing and music as a small boy until his mother encouraged him to leave it for a study of the religious sciences. He did, and his view became that such things were prohibited. Al-Qurtubi confirmed Maaliks view by saying that the only exception to this general ruling was the type of innocent songs such as those sung to placate the camels during travel, or during hard labour or boredom or during times of festivity and joy, such as the Eed days and weddings-the latter to the accompaniment of a simple duff(hand drum). Al-Qurtubi then said, "As for that which is done in our day, by way of the (blameworthy) innovations (bidah) of the Sufi mystics in their addition to hearing songs to the accompaniment of melodious instruments such as flutes, string instruments such as flutes, string instruments etc. such is haraam(forbidden)

[Al-Irhaab]

2. The Madhab of Imam Malik:
Imam Malik (rahimahu Allah) was asked about those who play the drums and flute and those who enjoy listening to it as one passes by.

He said one must get up and leave unless he is sitting for something extremely urgent or cannot get up. If he hears it in his pathway then he should go back or speed forward.

He said music is something the fusooq (astray) do.

Ibn Abdal Bar (rahimahu Allah) said scholars agree by ijma3 on the issue of riba, that the dowry of the prostitution is taking payment for weeping over the dead, forturne tellers those who claim to know unforeseen and news of the skies, musical instruments, and all wrongful play

[al-ghazalli]

this is not from mufti desai...surprising u were the one that quoted the hanbali scholar first to give the maliki opinion and then even though it wasnt from mufti desai you had a problem with a hanafi scholar giving the maliki opinion... anyway this is from imam malik

If you knew anything about fiqh and the erudition of Imam Dhahabi you would realise that he was a Mujtahid within Hanbali fiqh and had written a book on comparative fiqh.

Mufti Desai (May Allah Preserve Him) is not a mujtahid nor has he ever claimed to be one.

Secondly I have responded to the quote of Imam Malik if you wish you can view;

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102080

[Al-Irhaab]

Q: Muhtaram Mufti Saheb; Assalaamu Alaykum
Is it permissible to listen to Islamic songs with the sound of music in the background. Some people assert that beating of the Duff (drum) is established in Hadith.

A: To assert on the basis of some Ahaadith that to listen to Islamic songs with music in the background is incorrect. Several Ahaadith clearly prohibit the use of the drum as well as other musical instruments. Consider the following Ahaadith:

* Hadhrat Ibn Mas’ood (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) reports that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) declared every wine, gambling, beating of drums and every intoxicant as Haraam. (Abu Dawud)

* Hadhrat Ali (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) prohibited the beating of drums. (Kanzul Ummaal)

* The Kubah (drum) is Haraam. (Bayhaqi; Musnad Bazzar)

These Ahaadith are general and prohibit the beating of the drum. Those who claim that the beating of drums is permissible generally use the Hadith wherein it is reported that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, ‘Announce the Nikah even though it be with the Duff.’ (Mishkat)

In another narration, it is reported that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) passed by little girls who were beating drums. (Ibn Maajah)

However, to use these Ahaadith to substantiate the beating of drums as a musical instrument is baseless. The beating of drums on the occasions was for the purpose of announcement of a Nikah or the arrival of somebody or the sighting of the moon. There is no evidence whatsoever that drums were used merely for ‘entertainment’. Rather it is reported that when Umar (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) heard the sound of beating drums, he would send a person to inspect the occasion. If it was a Nikah (which was being announced by means of the drum) he would keep quite. Otherwise, he would punish those involved. (Fathul Qadeer)

In contemporary times there is no need to use the drum to announce any occasion, nor is it used for such purposes. In these times, it is used commonly as a musical instrument. The use of the drum as a musical instrument is expressly forbidden as has been clearly ascertained from the Ahaadith mentioned in the beginning.

Also, music itself is expressly forbidden in Deen. Allah Ta’ala says:
* Almighty Allah Taãla says in the Noble Qurãn: ‘And there are some people who purchase idle talk… for them is a severe punishment’. Ibn Masóod (Radhiyallaahu Ánhu) says that this verse was revealed regarding singing.

* Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, ‘Allah ordered me to destroy musical instruments.’

* Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, ‘People from my Ummat will drink wine and give it other names and singing girls and musical instruments will be played before them. Allah will cause the earth to swallow them, and disfigure their faces into apes and pigs.’

* Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) mentioned, ‘When singing girls and musical instruments becomes common, wait for red winds, earthquakes, the earth swallowing people, disfiguring and many more punishments.’ (Mishkãt 470)

[Al-Nasser]

* Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, ‘Allah ordered me to destroy musical instruments.’

check the authenticity of this hadith

[Al-Irhaab]

If you knew anything about fiqh and the erudition of Imam Dhahabi you would realise that he was a Mujtahid within Hanbali fiqh and had written a book on comparative fiqh.

Mufti Desai (May Allah Preserve Him) is not a mujtahid nor has he ever claimed to be one.

Secondly I have responded to the quote of Imam Malik if you wish you can view;

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102080


mufti ibrahim desai is a mufti therefore qualified to give legal verdict, part of the iftah course is comparative fiqh... imam dahabi is of the hanbali madhab... as i would not ask a hanafi about the detailed matters of shafi rulings i dont ask a hanabali about the detailed rulings of maliki fiqh....

i read what u said.. u believe imam malik changed his views from saying music was haram to saying it was halal... do u really actually believe the rubbish that u write? thats as funny as when some of the salafi brothers told me how some of the classical ulema changed their aqaid matters :rolleyes:

music is haram full stop there is no dispute apart from a minority of ulema of the past... and by minority like less that 1 in a thousand...

[Al-Nasser]

the difference between the opinion of Ibn Hazm and the opinion of the other four imams (may Allah bless them all) is the difference between the Andalusian culture (where Ibn Hazm lived) and the Iraqi/Egyptian culture (where the four imams lived)

i am not here saying who is right and who is wrong...because obviously the four imams opinions is closer to the truth......

[al-ghazalli]

I am not denying that the majority (Hanbalis, Hanafi's and Shafi) consider music to be haram, even though it is noteworthy that you each have a minority opinion allowing music and musical instruments.

We even have hadiths which are Sahih indicating that the Sahaba played musical insturments after the death of the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) or having it played to them.

[al-ghazalli]

if you like Al-Irhaab you can email Mufti Desai and tell him about this conversation and then let him know that Ustadh Abdullah the Maliki Jurist from www.lamppostproductions.org hold this opinion and then let me know what he states considering he knows the opinion of my Shaykh in this matter.


And with Allah is all Success.

[Raul-7]

How about this Hadith? Music only in Eid?

Narrated Aisha:

Abu Bakr came to my house while two small Ansari girls were singing beside me the stories of the Ansar concerning the Day of Buath. And they were not singers. Abu Bakr said protestingly, "Musical instruments of Satan in the house of Allah's Apostle!" It happened on the 'Id day and Allah's Apostle said, "O Abu Bakr! There is an 'Id for every nation and this is our 'Id."

[Khubaib]

jazakallah for posting Yusra.

btw khubaib what does ur user name mean ? i like it !??

I think it means shining.

Do you know the story of the sahabah? I don't intend to hijack the thread but I love telling this story as my brother told me.

Khubaib Ibn ‘Adîy was an adornment to the youth of Al ’Aws tribe… He was from the earliest men to become a Muslim… He was from the most courageous of Ansâr (supporters), and the strongest in fighting for truth… When he joined the Prophet, Allah’s Prayers and Peace be upon him, in the battle of Badr, he performs very well in that battle and he killed one of the most powerful men of Quraish called Al Hârith Ibn ‘Amir Ibn Nawfal… The news got to Makkah… Banû Al Hârith (Al Hârith people) heard about that… They kept the killer’s name in their mind and were determined to get to him to revenge their father’s murder.


To make a long story short Khubaib was taken prisoner along with his companions by a tribe when they wanted to spy on the makkans. The one companion who was with him was killed. They told Khubaib to either renounce his religion or be killed. Well...

They gave him a final request as was tradition, and like others he asked to be able to pray two rakah and he would have continued praying if it were not that his captors would think he was afraid of death. He wished for death in front of all the makkans. And when they asked him if they would rather have Muhammd in his place he said I would rather be here than see Muhammad (SAW) pricked by a thorn (an insignificant pain).

First they had the boys of Makkah torture him by piercing him with knives and some of them were clumsy and cut too deep.

Before he died he said "Ya Allah since I cannot send my salam to the Prophet (SAW) you send it for me. When he was killed angel Jibreel came to Rasulullah (SAW) and said "Khubaib sends his salam to you."

This was my reaction :shock:
:cool:
:mujahida:

The complete story:
http://www.islambasics.com/view.php?bkID=6&chapter=30
http://www.mouassa.org/English/Sahabah/18.htm

[ur_yusra]

jazakallah for posting Yusra.

btw khubaib what does ur user name mean ? i like it !??

http://ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89258

Check that inshaAllah

[Al-Irhaab]

if you like Al-Irhaab you can email Mufti Desai and tell him about this conversation and then let him know that Ustadh Abdullah the Maliki Jurist from www.lamppostproductions.org (http://www.lamppostproductions.org) hold this opinion and then let me know what he states considering he knows the opinion of my Shaykh in this matter.


And with Allah is all Success.


wot on maliki holds means nothing... qardawi says there allowed and it means nothing... what matters is that imam malik, imam abu hanifa, imam shafi, imam ahmed, (rh) and the four madhaib and the tabieen (rh) and the sahaba (Ra) and the prophet (Saw) stated that musical instruements were forbidden ... that is what matters.... :rolleyes:

[Lu'Lu]

the only problem here is not that they (or should i say we?) try to justify it because of our hawaa, but because a very famous hadith scholar like Ibn Hazm Al Andalusi said that Music is not haram (unless the lyrics are haram or the place the music is played in..etc)..........pay attention please....he was a hadith scholar....he was specialized in hadith

Brothers and Sisters...

Confused about the music issue?

Can't let go of Sami Yusuf hits and Yusuf Islam's latest guitar number?

The answer is in your heart.

A man came to the Prophet (S) and he (S) asked him; "You have come to ask about righteousness?"
He replied , "Yes, O Messenger of Allah."
"Righteousness is that with which the heart feels tranquil and the soul feel tranquil. Whilst wrongdoing moves to and fro in the breast, even if people have given you their legal opinion in its favour"

You will find "scholars"/"people of knowledge" firing out all kinds of fatawa from all music instruments being halal, to allowing interest based mortgages to allowing women to ditch the hijab. These rulings will be elaborate and well-referenced. But ask your own heart honestly if you want to find the truth.

Are you using the nasheeds to fill the void in your life without music?
Do you find yourself humming them all day, going around in your head when you pray salah?
Do you find that you prefer to listen to nasheeds rather than the words of Allah, the Quran?
Do you find yourself justifying the fact that nasheeds "increase your eman" because they are about "good things" and that you don't understand the Quran which is why you listen to nasheeds?

If the answer to any of the above is yes, then you yourself can be the honest judge as to whether they really are a good thing. Shaytan has centuries and centuries of experience. He knows it is too much to entice muslims to listen to pop...so why not introduce Islamic pop...and by the looks of it he's doing quite well.

Please read the rulings below concerning musical instruments taken from the world-wide respected scholar, Sh Salih al-Munajjid.
http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=5011&ln=eng&txt=islamic%20songs

[Fais]

Whats an instrument again? .. its it one of those stringed tools that make music, e.g ... Guitar.

[Lu'Lu]

Whats an instrument again? .. its it one of those stringed tools that make music, e.g ... Guitar.

Yes...

in·stru·ment /ˈɪnstrəmənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-struh-muhnt]

2. a contrivance or apparatus for producing musical sounds: a stringed instrument.

(According to dictionary.com!!!)

[Fais]

Yes...

in·stru·ment /ˈɪnstrəmənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-struh-muhnt]

2. a contrivance or apparatus for producing musical sounds: a stringed instrument.

(According to dictionary.com!!!)

Jazakallah khair :D

So what about the Daff .. is that ok?

[Lu'Lu]

Jazakallah khair :D

So what about the Daff .. is that ok?

Yes Daff is fine, and even then its restricted only to weddings and on Eid. Thats why, some nasheeds that have just daff on it, I feel uncomfortable listening to them on a regular basis (i.e other than Eid and Weddings). It doesnt seem right, and more than anything, it takes you away from the remembrance of Allah.


"It is not permissible for women, in weddings or on other occasions, to use any instrument other than the daff, such as the oud, violin, rebab (stringed instrument) and so on. This is evil, and the only concession that women are given is that they may use the daff." (From Islam-QA)."

Read the Islam-QA link in my earlier post, it has everything you need to know about it..

[al-ghazalli]

wot on maliki holds means nothing... qardawi says there allowed and it means nothing... what matters is that imam malik, imam abu hanifa, imam shafi, imam ahmed, (rh) and the four madhaib and the tabieen (rh) and the sahaba (Ra) and the prophet (Saw) stated that musical instruements were forbidden ... that is what matters.... :rolleyes:

And you believe there is IJMA on this topic, the Ulema even acknowlodge this...do you think Ustadh Abdullah or even Shaykh Bin Bayyah are ignorant of the rulings or how about the late Grand Shaykh of Makkah Al-Sayyid Muhammad Bin Alawi Bin Abbas Al-Maliki AL-Hasani was he an innovator since he considered it permissible under Maliki fiqh?

Its sheer ignorance to say that the Ummah concurred on something they differed on.

How about the athar of the Sahaba were they disobeying the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) who listened to music.

Abdullah ibn Maslama, related to us from Malik from Abu Hazim that `Abdullah ibn Ja`far ibn Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with him) listened to popular beneficial singing.

The Ulema of Rijal state about the narrators

Abdullah ibn Maslama (Abu ‘Abd Al-Rahman ‘Abdullah ibn Maslama ibn Qa’nab Al-Harithi Al-Madani Al-Basari) he is a reliable narrator (thiqa) and a devout worshipper (‘abid). Ibn Ma’in and Ibn Al-Madini placed no one over him with regard to the Muwatta. He passed away in Mecca in the year 220 A.H. or 221 A.H. [Tahdhib al-Tahdhib: 6/31] and [Siyar ‘alam An-Nubala: 1/257].

Abu Hazim is Salama ibn Dinar, the shaykh of Medinah, and patron of Banu Makhzum. He was a cripple date-merchant, and an ascetic magistrate. He died in the year 140 A.H. [Siyar ‘alam al- Nubala: 6/96] [Tahdhib al-Tahdhib: 4/143].

Second Athar

The Commander of the Faithful (the Caliph) when he entered on Ibn Abi Talib used to look at him. Ibn Qutayba said in his book al-Rakhsat: Mu`awiyah (may Allah be pleased with him) entered upon ibn Ja`far as he had promised, and he had seen with him an instrument with a rock. He (Mu`awiyah) said “what is this O Ibn Ja`far?” and he (Ibn Ja`far) replied “this is a musical instrument which I compose poetry…” and so he played the instrument and started to sing poetry:

Do you not have thankfulnesss for the one who made you And then created your mind for wisdom?
And renewed from you what has become your character Throughout time – for He who the future and past are in his hands!

And it was said: So Mu`awiyah started moving his leg, and `Abdullah told him “did you not move your leg?” And so he said “from the generosity of the musician.”

the narrators for this athar is as follows “Zuhayr ibn Harb related to us, ‘Affan related to us, Hamam related to us,Muhammad ibn Juhada related to us, ‘Abd Al-Jabbar ibn Wa’il stated...

All of these men have been retained by Imam Muslim in his Sahih so their is no doubt about them.

And with Allah is all Success.

[Lu'Lu]

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Second Athar
The Commander of the Faithful (the Caliph) when he entered on Ibn Abi Talib used to look at him. Ibn Qutayba said in his book al-Rakhsat: Mu`awiyah (may Allah be pleased with him) entered upon ibn Ja`far as he had promised, and he had seen with him an instrument with a rock. He (Mu`awiyah) said “what is this O Ibn Ja`far?” and he (Ibn Ja`far) replied “this is a musical instrument which I compose poetry…” and so he played the instrument and started to sing poetry:QUOTE]


Sorry whats an athar? And which of the Saheeh Sitta recorded the above hadith?

[*Muhammad*]

what they mean by singing is "music"

do u think so?

[RaNdOm]

:salams

are u allowed to play the saucepans?

[Lu'Lu]

:salams

are u allowed to play the saucepans?

LOL!!!!

But I actually think no..u see someone asked Shaikh Haytham Al Haddad about playing the chamcha (spoon on the wooden side of the double sided drum). He said thats not allowed...and so I reckon a saucepan would have similiar sounds..its pretty much like playing the cymbals or tambourine. Well to that effect.

And Allah knows best...

[*Muhammad*]

The answer is in your heart.

A man came to the Prophet (S) and he (S) asked him; "You have come to ask about righteousness?"
He replied , "Yes, O Messenger of Allah."
"Righteousness is that with which the heart feels tranquil and the soul feel tranquil. Whilst wrongdoing moves to and fro in the breast, even if people have given you their legal opinion in its favour"



but not every heart;) that Sahabi had a good heart probably, some guys feel ok to hang out with girls when they ask their hearts!!!

[al-ghazalli]

Sorry whats an athar? And which of the Saheeh Sitta recorded the above hadith?

An athar means a statement from an individual with a sanad (chain of narrator)

Their are more than a hundred books of hadith other than the Sahih Sitta, the six books of hadith only report a small amount hadith compared to hadith literature spread over hundreds of books of hadith.



Shaykh `Abd al-Ghani al-Nablusi a Classical Hanafi Jurist mentions this is his book Ibah al-Dalalat fi Sami` al-Alat with a Sahih Isnad.

[RaverRobot]

which is sampled from a drum

All I know is that I'd be a very depressed individual without my trance, gabber and happy hardcore.

[Abu Hurairah]

"Leave that which you doubt for that which you do not doubt” [Ahmad, at-Tirmidhee, an-Nisa’ee]


Na'am indeed- why go down a thorny path needlessly putting oneself and others in harm? And for what to feed your nafs?

Nourish yourself with the Qur'an and dhikr.

May Allah (swt) guide us to the straight path thats clear which our Rasul is upon-Ameen.


For more indepth info. on Khubayb ibn Adiy al-Ansari (ra) please visit: http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1483949#post1483949

[muslim_sis]

I think it means shining.

Do you know the story of the sahabah? I don't intend to hijack the thread but I love telling this story as my brother told me.

Khubaib Ibn ‘Adîy was an adornment to the youth of Al ’Aws tribe… He was from the earliest men to become a Muslim… He was from the most courageous of Ansâr (supporters), and the strongest in fighting for truth… When he joined the Prophet, Allah’s Prayers and Peace be upon him, in the battle of Badr, he performs very well in that battle and he killed one of the most powerful men of Quraish called Al Hârith Ibn ‘Amir Ibn Nawfal… The news got to Makkah… Banû Al Hârith (Al Hârith people) heard about that… They kept the killer’s name in their mind and were determined to get to him to revenge their father’s murder.


To make a long story short Khubaib was taken prisoner along with his companions by a tribe when they wanted to spy on the makkans. The one companion who was with him was killed. They told Khubaib to either renounce his religion or be killed. Well...

They gave him a final request as was tradition, and like others he asked to be able to pray two rakah and he would have continued praying if it were not that his captors would think he was afraid of death. He wished for death in front of all the makkans. And when they asked him if they would rather have Muhammd in his place he said I would rather be here than see Muhammad (SAW) pricked by a thorn (an insignificant pain).

First they had the boys of Makkah torture him by piercing him with knives and some of them were clumsy and cut too deep.

Before he died he said "Ya Allah since I cannot send my salam to the Prophet (SAW) you send it for me. When he was killed angel Jibreel came to Rasulullah (SAW) and said "Khubaib sends his salam to you."

This was my reaction :shock:
:cool:
:mujahida:

The complete story:
http://www.islambasics.com/view.php?bkID=6&chapter=30
http://www.mouassa.org/English/Sahabah/18.htm

subhanallah jazakallah for that [i like it even more now!!!]

http://ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89258

Check that inshaAllah
& jazakillah for the link !

[Al-Irhaab]

And you believe there is IJMA on this topic, the Ulema even acknowlodge this...do you think Ustadh Abdullah or even Shaykh Bin Bayyah are ignorant of the rulings or how about the late Grand Shaykh of Makkah Al-Sayyid Muhammad Bin Alawi Bin Abbas Al-Maliki AL-Hasani was he an innovator since he considered it permissible under Maliki fiqh?

Its sheer ignorance to say that the Ummah concurred on something they differed on.

How about the athar of the Sahaba were they disobeying the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) who listened to music.

Abdullah ibn Maslama, related to us from Malik from Abu Hazim that `Abdullah ibn Ja`far ibn Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with him) listened to popular beneficial singing.

The Ulema of Rijal state about the narrators

Abdullah ibn Maslama (Abu ‘Abd Al-Rahman ‘Abdullah ibn Maslama ibn Qa’nab Al-Harithi Al-Madani Al-Basari)

[Siyar ‘alam al- Nubala: 6/96] [Tahdhib al-Tahdhib: 4/143].

Second Athar

The Commander of the Faithful (the Caliph) when he entered on Ibn Abi Talib used to look at him. Ibn Qutayba said in his book al-Rakhsat: Mu`awiyah (may Allah be pleased with him) entered upon ibn Ja`far as he had promised, and he had seen with him an instrument with a rock. He (Mu`awiyah) said “what is this O Ibn Ja`far?” and he (Ibn Ja`far) replied “this is a musical instrument which I compose poetry…” and so he played the instrument and started to sing poetry:

Do you not have thankfulnesss for the one who made you And then created your mind for wisdom?
And renewed from you what has become your character Throughout time – for He who the future and past are in his hands!

And it was said: So Mu`awiyah started moving his leg, and `Abdullah told him “did you not move your leg?” And so he said “from the generosity of the musician.”

the narrators for this athar is as follows

All of these men have been retained by Imam Muslim in his Sahih so their is no doubt about them.

And with Allah is all Success.


abdullah ibn jafar (ra) played music now.... come on man how many more lies are you going to spread... the son of the two winged one (ra) the son who the prophet (saW) treated like his own grandson is going to play music.... ive heard things but you know what the ahadith are clear the opinions of the imams are clear the opinions of the sahaba (ra) are clear... there is ijma amongst the ulema that music is haram... a mistake from a few ulema does not break that ijma.. :rolleyes:

as the prophet (saW) said... he was sent to break all musical instruements...

[al-ghazalli]

abdullah ibn jafar (ra) played music now.... come on man how many more lies are you going to spread...

as I have stated feel free to ask any Ulema about these hadiths i'm not the one who denying them you are. If their was IJMA then it would be listed in Bidyat al-Mujtahid or Al-Mughni or al-fiqh al-Qarawiyn. Yet the three books of IJMA fail to mention this...could these eminent Ulema make such blunders.

Again for you to deny something to which clearly you have no knowlodge of is just ignorance.

Just read "The Legal Status of Following a Madhab" by Mufti Taqi Usmani (May Allah Preserve Him) he also narrated an opinion going back to Jafar as-Siddiq (Rahimullah) that he believed music to be permissible.

Now don't tell me that Mufti Taqi Usmani has started to tell lies in your books also.


May Allah guide you and me to the truth.

[Al-Irhaab]

as I have stated feel free to ask any Ulema about these hadiths i'm not the one who denying them you are. If their was IJMA then it would be listed in Bidyat al-Mujtahid or Al-Mughni or al-fiqh al-Qarawiyn. Yet the three books of IJMA fail to mention this...could these eminent Ulema make such blunders.

Again for you to deny something to which clearly you have no knowlodge of is just ignorance.

Just read "The Legal Status of Following a Madhab" by Mufti Taqi Usmani (May Allah Preserve Him) he also narrated an opinion going back to Jafar as-Siddiq (Rahimullah) that he believed music to be permissible.

Now don't tell me that Mufti Taqi Usmani has started to tell lies in your books also.


May Allah guide you and me to the truth.

read the legal status of following madhab... in it mufti taqi usmani quotes that only 'apparantly' did abdullah ibn jafar (ra) state that music was permitted and he quotes imam zubaidis book for it... but he also makes it clear that it is impermissible to follow this opinion and also writes apparantly to ensure that the reader knows that he doesnt believe it...

and like i said to you before ijma is not broken by the position of one or a few people...

mutah is forbidden and there is ijma on this... despite the fact that abdullah ibn abbas (ra) believed it to be halal for a long time... :rolleyes:

as for jafar as sideeq (ra) most if not all of the narrations traced to him have been doubted due to the shiah tamperings with his work...

at the end of the day the hadith is clear cut...

people will say zina is allowed and people will say musical instruements are allowed.... and allah (SwT) will send his adhab onto the people...

[al-ghazalli]

read the legal status of following madhab... in it mufti taqi usmani quotes that only 'apparantly' did abdullah ibn jafar (ra) state that music was permitted and he quotes imam zubaidis book for it... but he also makes it clear that it is impermissible to follow this opinion and also writes apparantly to ensure that the reader knows that he doesnt believe it...

nonetheless he still quotes and if we look deeper in the books of fiqh other classical ulema disagreed but still quoted his "supposed" opinion and never commented on it nor were they critical of it.

and like i said to you before ijma is not broken by the position of one or a few people...

Like I said please quote from the books of IJMA; and state clearly where they say it is IJMA...you wont find it because I've looked through the three books of all IJMA according to the Ahl as-Sunnah.

mutah is forbidden and there is ijma on this... despite the fact that abdullah ibn abbas (ra) believed it to be halal for a long time...

wrong he went back on his verdict.

I think I have provided the Sahih Hadiths for this topic you can stick to your opinion but in the end the Ulema agree on the issue of ikhtilaf and I would say their words have more weight then yours.

I have also taken the liberty and sent off an email to Darul Uloom Karachi and Al-Balagh which is Mufti taqi's website and have asked him about Music and Ikhtilaf in Islam.

Inshallah when I get a reply I will post it on here.

Secondly their are several deobandi scholars on www.sunniforum.com/forum who also agree to the differences and ikhtilaf in music. Also Sidi Salman (student of knowlodge) who inshallah is heading out in one year to study at Darul Uloom Karachi also mentions from his teachers ikhtilaf on the issue and it can verfied with him and the Ulema on sunniforum.com

[Abu Hasim]

honestly we've provided numerous authentic narrations from all the classical scholars. Obviously he's not looking to follow the evidence but rather his own desires. In my previous posts mentioned the 4 imams called such people fasiq. We say Imam qurtubi Tabari, abdullah ibn masood, mujahi, ibn abbas, sahih bukhari, the 4 imams and he comes up with 1 or two random unheard of scholars from islamic history.

The reality is we could find many "maliki" scholars today who say ribaa and dating is halal.

Historically the sufi's have always declared music to be halal the scholars of the early generations mentioned this. Many of them consider singing dancing and music to be ibadah, they've very much like the christians whgo worshup rasool isa alehie salaam and sing dance and play music in church

[al-ghazalli]

actually I am of the opinion that Music is haram, but I do not label those who follow another opinion as deviants. I agree that the Ummah never concurred on this issue and remain silent since my madhab allows one to listen to music. (of course I do not say its permissible to listen to Britney Spears) or anything like that.

I have sent an email to Muft Taqi Usmani, Mufti Sufi Sarwar Saheb who is the Imam of Jamia Asharfia and also Khalifa of Maulana Thanwi (Rahimullah) and to Darul Uloom Deoband and several other Darul Uloom to ask them about the valid opinion of Music and Iktilaf.

When I hear back from them I will post their fatwa's.

[Umar`]

how can there be differences of opinion in this when the hadith clearly indicates music is haraam and it is sahih?

[al-ghazalli]

how can there be differences of opinion in this when the hadith clearly indicates music is haraam and it is sahih?

Because there are other Sahih hadiths which contradict it, secondly their is no IJMA listed on music. Therefore we have a conflict of narrations and the Ulema have not been able to agree on how to reconcile the differences between the hadiths.


Allahu Alam.

[Umar`]

i never knew that bro, JazakAllahu khayr.
common sense and avoidance of the doubtful things dictates that we shouldnt listen to music though bro, because it has such a powerful effect on peoples emotions and can lead people into unIslamic behaviour and sin.
we all know it is vain speech and it has been promised by iblis that he will lead many astray with the seduction of his voice.
its been said that a heart cannot accomodate both the Qu'ran and music but only one or the other.
many people think because something is pleasing to their nafs it must therefore be a good thing.
i can recall before i accepted Islam alhamdulillah, i was obviously behaving unIslamically and there were times when i would be feeling very spiritual and in touch with God but in reality it was nothing but a deception of shaytaan and i was far away from Allah SWT,and many people are led astray by following their lusts.

[ur_yusra]

i never knew that bro, JazakAllahu khayr.
common sense and avoidance of the doubtful things dictates that we shouldnt listen to music though bro, because it has such a powerful effect on peoples emotions and can lead people into unIslamic behaviour and sin.
we all know it is vain speech and it has been promised by iblis that he will lead many astray with the seduction of his voice.
its been said that a heart cannot accomodate both the Qu'ran and music but only one or the other.
many people think because something is pleasing to their nafs it must therefore be a good thing.
i can recall before i accepted Islam alhamdulillah, i was obviously behaving unIslamically and there were times when i would be feeling very spiritual and in touch with God but in reality it was nothing but a deception of shaytaan and i was far away from Allah SWT,and many people are led astray by following their lusts.

:up:

[*Muhammad*]

i never knew that bro, JazakAllahu khayr.
common sense and avoidance of the doubtful things dictates that we shouldnt listen to music though bro, because it has such a powerful effect on peoples emotions and can lead people into unIslamic behaviour and sin.
we all know it is vain speech and it has been promised by iblis that he will lead many astray with the seduction of his voice.
its been said that a heart cannot accomodate both the Qu'ran and music but only one or the other.
many people think because something is pleasing to their nafs it must therefore be a good thing.
i can recall before i accepted Islam alhamdulillah, i was obviously behaving unIslamically and there were times when i would be feeling very spiritual and in touch with God but in reality it was nothing but a deception of shaytaan and i was far away from Allah SWT,and many people are led astray by following their lusts.

every single word there is MASHALLAH:eek: :up:
Jazaka Allahu khairan
it realy affects u it realy does
if any bro listen 2 music i'm telling u ''even if u think it is halal'' just give ita try do not listen 2 it 4 a month and instead of it recite the Quran ''do not even listen to nasheeds or listen to these which praises Allah without music'' believe me IT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT:crying: u will love Allah and islam a lot and u will find a great peace in u

[Raul-7]

every single word there is MASHALLAH:eek: :up:
Jazaka Allahu khairan
it realy affects u it realy does
if any bro listen 2 music i'm telling u ''even if u think it is halal'' just give ita try do not listen 2 it 4 a month and instead of it recite the Quran ''do not even listen to nasheeds or listen to these which praises Allah without music'' believe me IT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT:crying: u will love Allah and islam a lot and u will find a great peace in u

Jazak Allah Umar; great to see Allah has guided you. May He bless you and us as well.

Yes, I also noticed this about music. I thank Allah I was never a big music lover in the first place, I only used to listen to Classical tunes most of the time on my way to school. Now I stopped completely and it really helped, I have a much better taqwa and self-control than before. I rarely have the old sinning urges anymore, nor does my nafs have those sinful thoughts I used to have. Even when they come into my mind, I just do zikr untill I regain control of my thoughts. :alhumdull

[*Muhammad*]

Jazak Allah Umar; great to see Allah has guided you. May He bless you and us as well.

Yes, I also noticed this about music. I thank Allah I was never a big music lover in the first place, I only used to listen to Classical tunes most of the time on my way to school. Now I stopped completely and it really helped, I have a much better taqwa and self-control than before. I rarely have the old sinning urges anymore, nor does my nafs have those sinful thoughts I used to have. Even when they come into my mind, I just do zikr untill I regain control of my thoughts. :alhumdull

Alhamdulilah here is an other real experience it is Walahi SO REAL