It's No Longer Only Hijab and Niqab...

[Cashew]

I've meaning to bring this up in this forum now that there's so much discussion about hijab and niqab.

Here in Southern California at least the Muslim population is so diverse that you not only see the more traditional and common forms of hijab and niqab...

Nowadays I'm seeing things I've never seen before and I'm not quite sure where they're from... or if they're even Muslim.

For example, last week at a Middle Eastern market near my home I saw two women, probably in their mid-50s, who, from their faces appeared to be other than Asian or Arab.

They were wearing very loose, long-sleeved tunic-type garments that came past their knees and, beneath them, what appeared to be loose-fitting pants. They covered their hair and part of their faces with a long light scarf or shawl that they sort of wrapped over their head and threw across one shoulder.

Their faces were partially covered, if you understand what I'm describing.

(I don't know if you remember how Benazir Bhutto dressed, but imagine if she'd covered the lower half of her face with her scarf.)

I couldn't figure out where they were from. One of those Muslim minorities from one of the former Soviet republics?

Also, the African Muslim female immigrants also to wear several kinds of hijab and niqab specific to their culture.

Is this diversity common, too, in England? I'm not sure that many non-Muslims recognize all these different garments and styles as "hijab" or "niqab."

[Tahiyah]

sounds as if your describing a "salwar kameze" ~ this style is from india..

islamic clothing should be modest and follow what the Quran says, it shouldnt be to showy or "loud"..it must cover what is commanded

there are different styles from different cultures...some prefer the bed linen look and some prefer the long shirt to the knees w/loose pants look, some prefer long skirts and long shirts, jilbabs..etc. as long as it meets islamic guidelines

[Cashew]

sounds as if your describing a "salwar kameze" ~ this style is from india..

islamic clothing should be modest and follow what the Quran says, it shouldnt be to showy or "loud"..it must cover what is commanded

there are different styles from different cultures...some prefer the bed linen look and some prefer the long shirt to the knees w/loose pants look, some prefer long skirts and long shirts, jilbabs..etc. as long as it meets islamic guidelines

It looked like salwar kameze, but the women appeared to be very fair, and the way they half-covered their faces seemed unfamiliar.

The African women have all sorts of different forms of modest dress -- there's even one that looks similar that you see Indonesian women wear.

Since I read about Muslim gypsies, I've wondered what style(s) they use.

[Selamat]

Since I read about Muslim gypsies, I've wondered what style(s) they use.

Muslim gypsies usually don't cover themselves. They're more or less Muslim only in name. Especially the Balkan variety. For a look at some more unusual Muslim attire, check out this Pomak (Bulgarian Muslim) bride: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/photo/2006-11/20/content_737967.htm

[Ibn-e-Muslim]

Muslim gypsies usually don't cover themselves. They're more or less Muslim only in name. Especially the Balkan variety. For a look at some more unusual Muslim attire, check out this Pomak (Bulgarian Muslim) bride: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/photo/2006-11/20/content_737967.htm

:eek: ohh bhains :eek:

feel pity for the groom :(
i think they take marriage as a punishment tool for the men:rubeyes:

[.: Rashid :.]

lool yeah she looks scary :nervous:

Cashew they were most likely Pakistani or Afghani in origin...pathanis and pakhtuns are often very fair, sometimes have blue or green eyes, lightish brown hair (compared to other south-asians anyway)

Beautiful people :)

-Rashid

[Arifa]

Muslim gypsies usually don't cover themselves. They're more or less Muslim only in name. Especially the Balkan variety. For a look at some more unusual Muslim attire, check out this Pomak (Bulgarian Muslim) bride: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/photo/2006-11/20/content_737967.htm

That is sick, she could've found somewhere more useful to stick those sequences. :rolleyes:

[umme ahmed]

Muslim gypsies usually don't cover themselves. They're more or less Muslim only in name. Especially the Balkan variety. For a look at some more unusual Muslim attire, check out this Pomak (Bulgarian Muslim) bride: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/photo/2006-11/20/content_737967.htm

lol bizarre. the poor groom is in for a fright :D

[Arsalan]

There is a great amount diversity in thoughts, opinions and culture in the muslim world, and even in dress. Its part of the beauty of being Muslim, as long as you adhere to certain basic pillars of the deen and principles in thesematters. In the west there is more of a pressure to conform to fasihons and trends which have no real foundation in principles or religion or any set culture , there is more of a pressure to all look and dress the same.

[Selamat]

There is a great amount diversity in thoughts, opinions and culture in the muslim world, and even in dress. Its part of the beauty of being Muslim, as long as you adhere to certain basic pillars of the deen and principles in thesematters. In the west there is more of a pressure to conform to fasihons and trends which have no real foundation in principles or religion or any set culture , there is more of a pressure to all look and dress the same.

I'm not sure I agree with you there, bro. Alot of Salafis and the more 'extreme' Muslims say that all these cultural traditions in way of dress, etc. that continued on after the acceptance of Islam by a people are bidah and should be done away with. While there is a fair amount of pressure in the Western world to dress, look and act the 'right' way, there are Muslims who would have us all be carbon copies of each other in terms of dress and lifestyle.

[Na'eemah]

It looked like salwar kameze, but the women appeared to be very fair, and the way they half-covered their faces seemed unfamiliar.

The African women have all sorts of different forms of modest dress -- there's even one that looks similar that you see Indonesian women wear.

Since I read about Muslim gypsies, I've wondered what style(s) they use.

Pakistani women can be very fair, some pakistani/asian women look european and some look middle eastern

[Medievalist]

People can dress how they like so long as it conforms to the holy law.

Women must wear a jilbab as mentioned in the Holy Quran. The Jilbab has to be understood - it must extend from the head to the ankles. Its a delicate point but according to the Ulama who have been researching in our Jamia - the women who tie on niqabs on their headscarf and wear gowns from the shoulder have not worn a jilbab. The jilbab has to be perched on the head and extend down - so cultural varieties inclued the pakistani type, or afghani burqa or saudi abaaya. These are valid cultural differences - because they all conform to the definition - viz extending from the head down to the ground.

Believing ladies who in sincerity and right intention strap on a niqab with their denim jackets, or mini-shalwar kameez should consult alimaat in their locality for definition of jilbab.

Remember the Quran command includes specifically the word jilbab - she must wear a jilbab - tight mini-kameezes, or denim jackets, or kneelength coats, or long skirts do NOT fulfill the injunction. :)

[Umm 'Umarah]

Med, are you saying the way we wear niqaab is not correct niqaab?

[Medievalist]

Med, are you saying the way we wear niqaab is not correct niqaab?

Im saying by some ulama - if she doesnt wear a cloak/gown that extends from her head down to her feet then she isnt observing the Quranic injunction because ALLAH azza wa jal specifically mentions the women to draw their jilbabs over them - aya is this an indicatory command where the point to be noted is that the covering should be complete, or is it a complete command where ALLAH Himself is commanding the type of garment.

Even if it is taken as indicatory and little put on the fiqh of the actual jilbab - taqwa demands that the complete command be observed - where ALLAH has ordered the jilbab then the women are to adopt the jilbab.

It is similar to when in sa'ee we start at safa because ALLAH Ta'ala started with safa in 2nd para.

[Umm 'Umarah]

Im saying by some ulama - if she doesnt wear a cloak/gown that extends from her head down to her feet then she isnt observing the Quranic injunction because ALLAH azza wa jal specifically mentions the women to draw their jilbabs over them - aya is this an indicatory command where the point to be noted is that the covering should be complete, or is it a complete command where ALLAH Himself is commanding the type of garment.

Even if it is taken as indicatory and little put on the fiqh of the actual jilbab - taqwa demands that the complete command be observed - where ALLAH has ordered the jilbab then the women are to adopt the jilbab.

It is similar to when in sa'ee we start at safa because ALLAH Ta'ala started with safa in 2nd para.

K, JazakAllah for the clarification, I know what you mean...

what do you guys think of this one..?

[Enigma Dreamer]

K, JazakAllah for the clarification, I know what you mean...

what do you guys think of this one..?
One is not veiled?
If veiled, to me, it is perfect.

[Umm 'Umarah]

One is not veiled?
If veiled, to me, it is perfect.

sorry, yeah... including the veil bro....:)

[Enigma Dreamer]

sorry, yeah... including the veil bro....:)
Ok, ukht. :)

[Muttaqi]

People can dress how they like so long as it conforms to the holy law.

Women must wear a jilbab as mentioned in the Holy Quran. The Jilbab has to be understood - it must extend from the head to the ankles. Its a delicate point but according to the Ulama who have been researching in our Jamia - the women who tie on niqabs on their headscarf and wear gowns from the shoulder have not worn a jilbab. The jilbab has to be perched on the head and extend down - so cultural varieties inclued the pakistani type, or afghani burqa or saudi abaaya. These are valid cultural differences - because they all conform to the definition - viz extending from the head down to the ground.

Believing ladies who in sincerity and right intention strap on a niqab with their denim jackets, or mini-shalwar kameez should consult alimaat in their locality for definition of jilbab.

Remember the Quran command includes specifically the word jilbab - she must wear a jilbab - tight mini-kameezes, or denim jackets, or kneelength coats, or long skirts do NOT fulfill the injunction. :)

But an abaya, khimar and niqab fulfill the purpose of jilbaab (as long as they do the same thing).

[Nawar]

Even if it is taken as indicatory and little put on the fiqh of the actual jilbab - taqwa demands that the complete command be observed - where ALLAH has ordered the jilbab then the women are to adopt the jilbab.

It is similar to when in sa'ee we start at safa because ALLAH Ta'ala started with safa in 2nd para.


:scratch:

We start sa'ee at safa also because the Prophet (saw) started at safa, thus the fiqh of hajj as related by the sunnah, begins with safa.

fiqh? taqwa? jilbaab? sa'ee? what?

[Medievalist]

The Nabi salallahu alayhi wa sallam did indeed start at safa - and ALLAH azza wa jal mentioned safa first aswell. No conflict.

And Muttaqi bruv - all Im mentioning is the opinion of some ulama.

Nawar - Fatwa/Fiqh and Taqwa are not the same thing. There is the saying of a big alim in uk:

Those who have taqwa dont go looking for fatwa.

The fiqh may be according toa group of ulama that the niqab with a scarf and gown on the shoulders fulfills the conditions, the fiqh may also be according to another group of ulama that the Quranic injunction was for jilbab and she must necessarily have it extending from her head to her feet.

In either case - the ruling of taqwa would be for a person to fulfill both the technical requirement of covering (which would be achieved by niqaab, scarf,shouldergown) and also the explicit command which would be don a cloak from head to foot. Im not too good at explaining :S

[Strict2TheSunna]

do you guys know what Taqwa means?