Beards

[Amriiki]

Ya hala!

I enjoying growing beards and really admire Arabs for sporting some awesome beards. I did wonder though, is there an Arab etiquette for beards? Why do some Arabs dye their beards red ( I saw this several times in Qatar)?

مَعَ الّسَلامَ

[Strict2TheSunna]

salaamualaikum wr wb

They dye it wth Hinnah this is a Sunnah of the Prohphet Muhammad PBUH..

Every Muslim Male is obligated to trim there mustaches and let there beards grow.

[MangoChutney]

Correct me if im wrong, But the sunnah legnth is meant to be fist long, right?

maybe looking abit like this>>>:coolbro:

[Te'oma]

Correct me if im wrong, But the sunnah legnth is meant to be fist long, right?

maybe looking abit like this>>>:coolbro:

Well that is what I am shooting for...have 3 fingers so far :D

[RashidD]

Well that is what I am shooting for...have 3 fingers so far :D

MashaAllah! :up:

I was under the impression that a fist long is minimum length as the hadith specifically mentions lengthening the beard.
Have a read: http://www.alinaam.org.za/dhadith/sbeard.htm

[Al Noor]

Alhamdulilah I am produ I have grown the beard it is a fist lenght and apparantly it is turning brown but our beloved prohet p.b.u.h said it si best to let the beard grow....but it is also ok to have it a fist lenght as well..

[.: Anna :.]

the sahabas radhiallahu anhum used to cut it to fist length, i think like once a yr or so they used to do that? but rasoolallah :saw: used to let his grow...

does ne1 have a good advice for those who insist that there is not a minimum length as long as there is some hair / some beard on the area. or is that valid according to some views? (i get confused by this as some ppl say one thing, n some say another? :confused: )

[nami]

Correct me if im wrong, But the sunnah legnth is meant to be fist long, right?

maybe looking abit like this>>>:coolbro:


no its not sunnah to have it fist lenght, the sunnah is to let it grow. and only ONE hadith says that the minimum length is fist length.

[Medievalist]

The Hanafi Opinion:

The beard is to be lengthened and the moustache trimmed/shaved. It is permissible to trim the beard once it has exceeded a fist-length as this is established from the actions of a number of the Sahaabah Karaam. But it is more virtuous and closer to the sunnah to lengthen the beard. When it becomes too long then it may be trimmed back - or alternatively at the time of opening oneself form ihraam, along with halq of the head the beard may also be trimmed to a fist length.

Contemporary Shafi'ee Opinion -

Some contemporary shafi'ee ulama have not specified a length but by the classical ulama there is no doubt that the lengthening of the beard is more correct.

[.: Anna :.]

The Hanafi Opinion:

The beard is to be lengthened and the moustache trimmed/shaved. It is permissible to trim the beard once it has exceeded a fist-length as this is established from the actions of a number of the Sahaabah Karaam. But it is more virtuous and closer to the sunnah to lengthen the beard. When it becomes too long then it may be trimmed back - or alternatively at the time of opening oneself form ihraam, along with halq of the head the beard may also be trimmed to a fist length.

Contemporary Shafi'ee Opinion -

Some contemporary shafi'ee ulama have not specified a length but by the classical ulama there is no doubt that the lengthening of the beard is more correct.

jazakallah khayr bro that does clarify things a bit. i think bc a lot of bros who do hav the less than fist beard r saying it is opinion of the shafi school.

[Medievalist]

jazakallah khayr bro that does clarify things a bit. i think bc a lot of bros who do hav the less than fist beard r saying it is opinion of the shafi school.

unless they are shafi'ee then it is batil.

For example we see enough of the Ahlul Bid'ah molvis with little things here and there on their faces and they call themselves Shaykh ul Islams. Shaykh ul Fisq more like


:rotfl:

[`asiya]

What is the ruling on one who trims his beard and makes all parts of it even in length?

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

It is obligatory to leave the beard alone and let it grow, and not do anything to it, because it is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Trim the moustache and let the beard grow; be different from the mushrikeen.” (Saheeh, agreed upon, narrated from Ibn ‘Umar).

Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh from ‘Ibn ‘Umar that the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said:

“Cut the moustache and leave the beard alone; be different from the mushrikeen.”

Muslim narrated in his Saheeh from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said:

“Trim the moustache and let the beard grow; be different from the Magians (Zoroastrians).”

All of these ahaadeeth show that it is obligatory to leave the beard alone and let it grow, and that it is obligatory to trim the moustache. This is what is obligatory as taught and enjoined by the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam.

This was the example set by the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam and his companions to be different from the mushrikeen and to avoid resembling them or resembling women.

With regard to the report narrated by al-Tirmidhi (may Allah have mercy on him), that the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam used to trim something from the length and breadth of his beard, this is a daif (false) report according to the scholars, and it is not a saheeh report from the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam and Some people clung to this hadeeth to prove their point, but it is a report which is not saheeh, because its isnaad includes ‘Umar ibn Haaroon al-Balkhi, who was accused of lying.

It is not permissible for the believer to pay any attention to this false hadeeth, or to take what some scholars say as an excuse to disobey Allah and his messenger salallahu alleyhi wa salam. The obligatory Sunnah applies to everyone, and Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad), has indeed obeyed Allaah”

[al-Nisa’ 4:80]

“Say: ‘Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away, he (Messenger Muhammad) is only responsible for the duty placed on him (i.e. to convey Allaah’s Message) and you for that placed on you. If you obey him, you shall be on the right guidance. The Messenger’s duty is only to convey (the message) in a clear way (i.e. to preach in a plain way)’”

[al-Noor 24:54]

“O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allaah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination”

[al-Nisa’ 4:59]

Kitaab Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Maqaalaat Mutanawwi’ah li Samaahat al-Shaykh al-‘Allaamah ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him), vol. 4, p. 443 (www.islam-qa.com)

[.: Anna :.]

unless they are shafi'ee then it is batil.

For example we see enough of the Ahlul Bid'ah molvis with little things here and there on their faces and they call themselves Shaykh ul Islams. Shaykh ul Fisq more like


:rotfl:no but if they actually are shafi... like their family all follow shafi school etc then is that legit then?

[Medievalist]

no but if they actually are shafi... like their family all follow shafi school etc then is that legit then?

I personally cannot answer that questoin but I will say what our Muftis opinions were and are.

Previously our Mufti Hazraat stated that the beard had to be a fist-length minimum across all four madhaahib and that anything less than this was completely unacceptable and neglect of a wajib sunnah. Our Mufti Hazraat held this opinion - that a muslim of whichever madhab had to necessarily have a fistful beard minimum.
Then they had a session with some local somali shafi'ee ulama. And now our stance is that according to contemporary shafi'ee ulama the beard does not have a specified length but our hanafi viewpoint and the opinion of the Classical Ulama is that the beard must necessarily be a fistful atleast.

Inshort - our Mufti Hazraat now accept that contemporary shafi'ee ulama do not specify a length but stick with the orthodox view without commenting on the correctness or otherwise of the contemporary shafi'ee ulama.

Hope thats clear.

[.: Anna :.]

yes jazakallah khayr it is clearer in my mind than what it previously was anyway.

[RashidD]

the sahabas radhiallahu anhum used to cut it to fist length, i think like once a yr or so they used to do that? but rasoolallah :saw: used to let his grow...

does ne1 have a good advice for those who insist that there is not a minimum length as long as there is some hair / some beard on the area. or is that valid according to some views? (i get confused by this as some ppl say one thing, n some say another? :confused: )

The link i posted above has the best explanation i've encountered so far :) It tackles pretty much most issues surrounding the wujoob of lengthening the beard.

And yeah, it should be a fist long - even for Shafi'ees it's disliked to trim it at all!

Allaamah Nawawi (RA) states, ‘The correct view (according to the Shaafi’ee Madhab) is to leave the beard to grow and it is Makrooh to trim the beard whatsoever.’ (al-Majmoo vol.1 pg.290; also see Sharh Saheeh Muslim vol.2 pg.143)

Allaamah al-Iraaqi (RA) states in his book entitled, ‘Tarhu Tathreeb’ (vol.2 pg.8): ‘… that the best is to leave the beard totally and not to cut anything from it at all, and this is the view of Imaam al-Shaafi’ee and his students.’

There are quotations from 2 great scholars of the Shaafi’ee Madhab that do not permit the trimming of the beard at all, not even upto one fist.

From the same link posted above.

[`asiya]

The link i posted above has the best explanation i've encountered so far :) It tackles pretty much most issues surrounding the wujoob of lengthening the beard.

And yeah, it should be a fist long - even for Shafi'ees it's disliked to trim it at all!



From the same link posted above.

about the fist length bit whats the daleel for that ? because scolars say u cannot cut it at all because
With regard to the report narrated by al-Tirmidhi (may Allah have mercy on him), that the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam used to trim something from the length and breadth of his beard, this is a daif (false) report according to the scholars, and it is not a saheeh report from the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam and Some people clung to this hadeeth to prove their point, but it is a report which is not saheeh, because its isnaad includes ‘Umar ibn Haaroon al-Balkhi, who was accused of lying.

and even the link u posted states "There are quotations from 2 great scholars of the Shaafi’ee Madhab that do not permit the trimming of the beard at all, not even upto one fist."

[Medievalist]

about the fist length bit whats the daleel for that ? because scolars say u cannot cut it at all because
With regard to the report narrated by al-Tirmidhi (may Allah have mercy on him), that the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam used to trim something from the length and breadth of his beard, this is a daif (false) report according to the scholars, and it is not a saheeh report from the Prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam and Some people clung to this hadeeth to prove their point, but it is a report which is not saheeh, because its isnaad includes ‘Umar ibn Haaroon al-Balkhi, who was accused of lying.

and even the link u posted states "There are quotations from 2 great scholars of the Shaafi’ee Madhab that do not permit the trimming of the beard at all, not even upto one fist."

The trimming has been established from the actions of the Sahaabah Karaam. Sayyidina Abdullah Ibn Umar radhiyallahu anh himself trimmed a mans beard when it grew excessively long and also it is established that some Companions would trim their beards along with the hair on the head when seeking release from ihraam.

Btw why are you asking Asiya? How long has your beard got?

:rotfl:

[RashidD]

Read the first link i posted. A fist length is the minimum length it's supposed to be. After that i dunno. It's derived from the hadith of Ibn 'Umar (RA) and Abu Huraira (RA) :)

[`asiya]

The trimming has been established from the actions of the Sahaabah Karaam. Sayyidina Abdullah Ibn Umar radhiyallahu anh himself trimmed a mans beard when it grew excessively long and also it is established that some Companions would trim their beards along with the hair on the head when seeking release from ihraam.

Btw why are you asking Asiya? How long has your beard got?

:rotfl:and are those narrations sahih? because why would the companions do something never done by the prophet sallahu alleyhi wa salam and something that is against the orders of the prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam?

as for your last comment Taqillah.

[.: Anna :.]

I'm pretty sure the narrations regarding trimming the beard to a fist is saheeh
they used to do it, and rasoolallah :saw: did not forbid them
so ppl can not say that is haraam to do
:confused:

[RashidD]

Hadith about trimming the beard upto a fist length is in Bukhari - Vol 7, Book 72 and hadith #780.

[`asiya]

Allahu alam about the prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam trimming his beard, thats what scolars of hadith say sis thats he didnt do that,and the hadith is daif, alahu alam about the narrations about the sahabbas because why would they do something prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam didnt do, maybe thats only on haj or ummrah? Allahu alam. anyway i never heard any scolar giving this "permissible to cut to fist length" stuff before i dont find sunnipath site very reliable, it gives a lot of opinions and little daleel, so i`ll stick to the daleel i know of from what scolars of hadith have taught me, and the prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said leave the beard and trim the mustache.so thats what i go with.Allahu alam.

[Medievalist]

and are those narrations sahih? because why would the companions do something never done by the prophet sallahu alleyhi wa salam and something that is against the orders of the prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam?

as for your last comment Taqillah.

But the actions of Sahaabah Karaam are a definitive proof in the shari'ah. It cannot be entertained that a Companion or group of Companions would engage in an act contrary to the sunnah and not be chastisted for it or reprimanded by the other Companions. Again the stance by us is that the fistful is the minimum necessity.

Our Fuqaha Karaam have stated quite clearly that the hadeeth of Nubuwwat salallahu alayhi wa sallam is that the beard should be lengthened. Now lengethened could be open to interpretation - does it meean it is never to be trimmed? But we look at the actions of Sahaabah Karaam and the fact that they trimmed excessive beards themselve and also trimmed now and then to the fist length - it can be seen that the Prophetic command for lengthening did not mean that it could never be cut or trimmed but rather than lengthening had its conditions and so long as these conditions were fulfilled it was permitted to trim - and as can be seen from the actions of Ibn Umar radhiyallahu anhuma - the lengething and trimming back to a fist length are not contradictory. Again the actions of Sahaabah Karaam are definitive proofs because they understood the words of Nabi Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa sallam better than we ever will. ::)

[Medievalist]

Allahu alam about the prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam trimming his beard, thats what scolars of hadith say sis thats he didnt do that,and the hadith is daif, alahu alam about the narrations about the sahabbas because why would they do something prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam didnt do, maybe thats only on haj or ummrah? Allahu alam. anyway i never heard any scolar giving this "permissible to cut to fist length stuff before" i dont find sunnipath site very reliable, it gives a lot of opinions and little daleel, so i`ll stick to the daleel i know of from what scolars of hadith have taught me, and the prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said leave the beard and trim the mustache.so thats what i go with.Allahu alam.

dont bother with bid'ah path - extremely dodgy.

[.: Anna :.]

sunni path isnt dodgy... they do give their daleel.
if u dnt like it, dont use it but there is nothing wrong with it n those are ppl of knowledge so please refrain from like slandering those people.

[Al-Irhaab]

Allahu alam about the prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam trimming his beard, thats what scolars of hadith say sis thats he didnt do that,and the hadith is daif, alahu alam about the narrations about the sahabbas because why would they do something prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam didnt do, maybe thats only on haj or ummrah? Allahu alam. anyway i never heard any scolar giving this "permissible to cut to fist length stuff before" i dont find sunnipath site very reliable, it gives a lot of opinions and little daleel, so i`ll stick to the daleel i know of from what scolars of hadith have taught me, and the prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said leave the beard and trim the mustache.so thats what i go with.Allahu alam.


only the 'salafi' muhadittheen say that the hadith are dhaeef... the others do not have a problem with them... also they criticise only one hadith which is the hadith of the prophet (Saw) trimming whilst ive not heard them say the hadit of abdullah ibn umer (ra) is weak.... perhaps they dont take hadith marfu into fiqh im not too sure cant recall? as for the muhaditheen i prefer the imam tirmidhi as a muhaditth over any of the muhdatheen today.... also in regards to praise and dispraise (cant believe i forget the arabic for it.. its something and jarr right?) of reporters the ulma differ on their condition... so just because someone has been accused of lying by one muhaddith or a person who the muhaddith trusts doesnt mean the other muhaddith will accept the accusation...

anyway thats just a lil speck of ilm al hadeeth... but follow the opinions of those u trust but dont go and say the other is invalid :D

and stick to the ulema u follow... especially if they post a fatwa u dont agree with...

[RashidD]

Allahu alam about the prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam trimming his beard, thats what scolars of hadith say sis thats he didnt do that,and the hadith is daif.

We didn't say Rasoolillah (Sallahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) trimmed it, i don't know of any evidence to say he removed any part of his beard, ever. We know from hadith that Abu Huraira (RA) and Ibn 'Umar (RA) althought the hadith does mention something about Hajj and Umrah... Not sure, but you've got the views of the 4 schools :)

[.: Anna :.]

only the 'salafi' muhadittheen say that the hadith are dhaeef... the others do not have a problem with them... also they criticise only one hadith which is the hadith of the prophet (Saw) trimming whilst ive not heard them say the hadit of abdullah ibn umer (ra) is weak.... perhaps they dont take hadith marfu into fiqh im not too sure cant recall? as for the muhaditheen i prefer the imam tirmidhi as a muhaditth over any of the muhdatheen today.... also in regards to praise and dispraise (cant believe i forget the arabic for it.. its something and jarr right?) of reporters the ulma differ on their condition... so just because someone has been accused of lying by one muhaddith or a person who the muhaddith trusts doesnt mean the other muhaddith will accept the accusation...

anyway thats just a lil speck of ilm al hadeeth... but follow the opinions of those u trust but dont go and say the other is invalid :D

and stick to the ulema u follow... especially if they post a fatwa u dont agree with...

i think its call ilm ul jarh wal ta3deel?

[Arsalan]

Can i trim my beard if i wanna get a weekend job in TopMan?

[`asiya]

only the 'salafi' muhadittheen say that the hadith are dhaeef... the others do not have a problem with them... also they criticise only one hadith which is the hadith of the prophet (Saw) trimming whilst ive not heard them say the hadit of abdullah ibn umer (ra) is weak.... perhaps they dont take hadith marfu into fiqh im not too sure cant recall? as for the muhaditheen i prefer the imam tirmidhi as a muhaditth over any of the muhdatheen today.... also in regards to praise and dispraise (cant believe i forget the arabic for it.. its something and jarr right?) of reporters the ulma differ on their condition... so just because someone has been accused of lying by one muhaddith or a person who the muhaddith trusts doesnt mean the other muhaddith will accept the accusation...

anyway thats just a lil speck of ilm al hadeeth... but follow the opinions of those u trust but dont go and say the other is invalid :D

you know what can u get the hell off my case im not a "salafi" nor did i say anyones opinion is invalid and im absolutely sick of your posts everything i say you find fault in it , wallahi i never put anyones opinion down nor did i say it was haram, if you are so very full of knowledge then please akhi find another way to teach people that knowledge because wallahi u have me in tears here with your continued false accusations i would never put down any of the ulema or anyones opinion ok each to their own i was simply raising points to make my understanding clearer insha allah.

( and please dont start using the old emotional card im really hurt by my bros behaviour lately i cant beleive it)

[Al-Irhaab]

you know what can u get the hell off my case im not a "salafi" nor did i say anyones opinion is invalid and im absolutely sick of your posts everything i say you find fault in it , wallahi i never put anyones opinion down nor did i say it was haram, if you are so very full of knowledge then please akhi find another way to teach people that knowledge because wallahi u have me in tears here with your continued false accusations i would never put down any of the ulema or anyones opinion ok each to their own i was simply raising points to make my understanding clearer insha allah.

( and please dont start using the old emotional card im really hurt by my bros behaviour lately i cant beleive it)

sister i dont understand why u take offence at all i went through a lil fiqh based upon the fatwa u posted which clearly stated it was forbidden full stop to trim the beard and i explained it and why the 'salafi' ulema, who i have no problem with and do not detest at all and believe they have a valid opinion, are mistaken in what they say... if u find it an insult that i said u take from salafi ulema then i dnt see what i can do ... i respect sheikh salih a lot and post his fatwas on here all the time... there is nothing wrong with being 'salafi' its not an insult or a cuss or slander... and the ulema u do quote generally are 'salafi'...

again my apologies for offending u... but were discussing fiqh matters here not personal matters and u shldnt take offence at someone refuting ur opinions it is the blessing of this ummah that we have differences of opinion on fiqh matters...

[Al-Irhaab]

i think its call ilm ul jarh wal ta3deel?

jazakallah khere thats what i was looking for :D

[RashidD]

Ok so what's the conclusion? Any more questions or anything?

[Kal-El]

Yes...

[MangoChutney]

no its not sunnah to have it fist lenght, the sunnah is to let it grow. and only ONE hadith says that the minimum length is fist length.

"to let the beard grow".....i understand...but in the line after that it says "and do not be like the mushrikeen"....Dont the jews have long beards?...and let their beards grow to their chest? Or even the sikh men?

I think growing a bit too long would also be an imitation of the jewish attire, no?

I'm not making a fatwah here, it's just a Question.

[tux08902]

Mine doesn't grow completely, but I'm keeping a Ho Chi Minnh style beard right now, you know the goat kind.

[MangoChutney]

Mine doesn't grow completely, but I'm keeping a Ho Chi Minnh style beard right now, you know the goat kind.

http://www.teethworld.com/pix/beards/large/6001-robin_hood.jpg

[sadf]

isn't the beard a sunnah only, also if a person grows big beard, he could remain unemployed for a long time bcos of discrimination.:rolleyes:

[MMS]

isn't the beard a sunnah only, also if a person grows big beard, he could remain unemployed for a long time bcos of discrimination.:rolleyes:

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path. (Surah Al-Ahzab, 36)

[Hafsah]

isn't the beard a sunnah only, also if a person grows big beard, he could remain unemployed for a long time bcos of discrimination.:rolleyes:

the strongest opinion is that the beard is fardh

Allaah SWT provides for us...we shouldnt be disobedient in fear of poverty...and subhanallaah there are so many brothers with longgg beards with excellent jobs

thats like saying 'if i ask for a place to pray at work..they won't employ me'

or 'if i don't wear my hijaab i won't get a job'

[Medievalist]

the strongest opinion is that the beard is fardh

Allaah SWT provides for us...we shouldnt be disobedient in fear of poverty...and subhanallaah there are so many brothers with longgg beards with excellent jobs

thats like saying 'if i ask for a place to pray at work..they won't employ me'

or 'if i don't wear my hijaab i won't get a job'

mashaALLAH true.

People can be so pathetic or weak at times - :torture: :torture:

ALHAMDULILLAH - there are brothers who wear thobe and imaamah to uni and are doing dentistry and medicine. ALLAH opens up ways - thats His Work, ours is to do what we're told :up:

[RashidD]

mashaALLAH true.

People can be so pathetic or weak at times - :torture: :torture:

ALHAMDULILLAH - there are brothers who wear thobe and imaamah to uni and are doing dentistry and medicine. ALLAH opens up ways - thats His Work, ours is to do what we're told :up:

MashaAllah nicely put :)