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amatullah_amina
25-11-06, 09:35 PM
Aslamu Alaikum warehmatullah,

May the message reach u in best of emaan and spirits.

This article, Alhumdulillah, is published in "takbir magazine" of Ryerson MSA and its soo subhanAllah essential becuz it effects us in our day to day life, though i would share it wid u inshaAllah.

Intermingling with the opposite sex: its limits and conditions

Victim of mixing……a true story

I used to wear niqaab (face veil) when I went to work. But later on some sisters mentioned it to me that this dress was itself attracting attention of my presence and because my eyes were attractive too, I decided to take off the niqaab. I, however, continued to mix and intermingle with my colleagues but adopted an anti-social attitude of not taking part in conversations etc. Sooner everybody came to recognize this ‘lone-wolf’ woman while others rejected this type of attitude. I, therefore, decided not to oppress myself of not taking part in their chats so I showed to my colleagues that I can also influence them by talking eloquently and taking parts in their discussions. It was not long enough until I realized that my direct supervisor was showing interest in my talks and movements. It was embarrassing and surprising for me. Later I realized that I began to have thoughts about this man too. Although I did not think about this man beyond the bounds of shariah I do admit that this man remained in my thoughts for some time. But soon my self respect made me reject the idea of being a source of entertainment for this man in any way or form. From this I came to the conclusion:

• Attraction between the opposite sexes can occur at any time no matter how much they reject it or call their relationship as “just friends.”
• The snares of shaytan are ever present and he is always tempting us towards this fitnah.
• Even though a person may not feel anything but because of free intermingling and crossing the bounds laid by shariah, he cannot guarantee the feelings of the opposite sex.

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "No man shall be isolated with a woman (with whom he is not related in blood or marriage)" (Al-Bukhari, Muslim, and At-Tirmidhi). The hadith clearly indicates the impermissibility of staying alone with the opposite sex whether it may be for projects, assigments etc. The reason is because the third one present is shaytan which would tempt both of them to do wrong.
Similarly, talking to members of the opposite sex while not staying within the bounds of shariah is simply inviting yourself to sin and surrendering to your nafs.

So does this mean that intermingling is not allowed at all and women should stay confined to their houses until death reaches them? The answer is no. Islam allows contacts between men and women, infact, it is recommended as long as the noble objective is lawful, to seek beneficial knowledge, obligatory jihad, and many other deeds that require the interaction and co operation between men and women. This, however, does not mean that transgressing all limits and forgetting about the nature of the opposite sex. There are some conditions that need to be abided when contact between the opposite sexes takes place:

• It is must that the gaze should be lowered and no lustful gaze exist. As Allah (SWT) says: [Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and be modest. That is purer for them. Lo! Allah is aware of what they do. And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands' fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters' sons, or their women, or their slaves, or male attendants who lack vigour, or children who know naught of women's nakedness. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And turn unto Allah together, O believers, in order that ye may succeed.] (An-Nur: 30-31). So whatever lawful deed allows the interaction to take place, the gaze should be lowered and modesty should be practicesd.
• The clothes of muslim woman should cover her whole body save her hands and face. They should be loose, opaque and modest.
• Morality should be practiced. A muslim woman should not be soft in speech but her voice should reveal seriousness. Her walk should be decent enough and when she leaves her house she should not wear perfume as Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “Any woman who wears perfumes and then passes by a group of men and they smell it, she is an adulteress.”
• No men and women should sit alone without the presence of other males as the third one present is satan to entice them. This also applies to husband’s relatives as Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “Beware of sitting with women alone!” They (the Companions) said: “What about the relative of the husband, O Messenger of Allah?” He said: “A relative of the husband is death i.e. the cause of death.” This is because a relative of a husband may stay for a long time and thus the danger of sin becomes greater.
• Last but not the least, interaction should take place when there is a need and all these contacts should not be given a “loose rein.”

To conclude, the need to interact with the opposite sex may exist whether it may be because of school work, charitable deeds etc. Islam is not narrow but it allows certain conditions to be met for the interaction to take place. Finally, abiding to these conditions would win the pleasure of Allah (SWT) by obeying His Laws.

All good is frm Allah Alhumdulillah and wrong or errors in it is from me.
walaikum aslam warematullah

Al Qadr
25-11-06, 09:51 PM
:jkk: for that

amatullah_amina
26-11-06, 12:38 AM
aslamu alakum....

wayyikum sis

walaikum aslam

Selamat
26-11-06, 12:40 AM
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "No man shall be isolated with a woman (with whom he is not related in blood or marriage)" (Al-Bukhari, Muslim, and At-Tirmidhi).

I've always understood this to be the case. But what of things like coffee in a public place? I mean, consider marriage. If you're going to get married, how are you to know anything about your prospective spouse when you two don't even speak?

Ibn-e-Muslim
26-11-06, 12:57 AM
I've always understood this to be the case. But what of things like coffee in a public place? I mean, consider marriage. If you're going to get married, how are you to know anything about your prospective spouse when you two don't even speak?

questions

1:- to know if u both r suitable for each other or not? so later u can say YES/NO to the future relation

or

2:- u have already agreed to marry but just wana know his/her likes dislikes in person so after marriage u may b better help?

Selamat
26-11-06, 01:09 AM
questions

1:- to know if u both r suitable for each other or not? so later u can say YES/NO to the future relation

or

2:- u have already agreed to marry but just wana know his/her likes dislikes in person so after marriage u may b better help?

Both. But I have no interest in getting married, it's just a general inquiry.

amatullah_amina
26-11-06, 01:15 AM
aslamu alakum

Alumdulillah islam is easy..frm wot i remember (inshaAllah if i remember n got the time i'll post what the sheikh said abt it):

if u r serious abt gettin married then u can kno him/her either thru ur sister like askin her to get more info abt her....or u can talk to her in the presence of her wali (or it was his wali...check me on this)..also u can e mail but like its better to send ur email to a third person too ( like a wali or guadian) n ofcourse stay in the limits that laid by the shariah....

inshaAllah i'll get more on it or u may search frm islamonline.net or sunnipath.com..reliable websites...

walaikum asalam

Ibn-e-Muslim
26-11-06, 01:28 AM
Both. But I have no interest in getting married, it's just a general inquiry.

its allright bro im learning too :)

my thoughts as far as i think by going thru religious stuff

1:- its Allah who created our pares(spls) so when ever we come across1 it gona click n we both gona agree to get marry (in the presence of her WALI ofcourse)

2:- likes dislikes and much more can b known at the 1st day of wed when u both r togather lawfully n Love is driping from both of ur hearts where feelings r much stronger between two at peak level, thats the real time when u gona realy listen to each other n willing to understand each other (so its kinda useless to get into such private discussions b4 nikah)

Allah knows best

Selamat
26-11-06, 01:30 AM
aslamu alakum

Alumdulillah islam is easy..frm wot i remember (inshaAllah if i remember n got the time i'll post what the sheikh said abt it):

if u r serious abt gettin married then u can kno him/her either thru ur sister like askin her to get more info abt her....or u can talk to her in the presence of her wali (or it was his wali...check me on this)..also u can e mail but like its better to send ur email to a third person too ( like a wali or guadian) n ofcourse stay in the limits that laid by the shariah....

inshaAllah i'll get more on it or u may search frm islamonline.net or sunnipath.com..reliable websites...

walaikum asalam

Well, that's what I'm saying. Of course two people meeting in a coffee shop are going to stay within the limits of the shariah. Do you think two Muslims are going to start necking in Second Cup? But some Muslims practice things like, just showing the prospective partners photos of each other, and asking if they want to marry or not. You know, this complete seperation of the sexes leads to alot of homosexual undertones and overtones in many Muslim societies. Catamites in Egypt in Morocco, homosexual love poetry from Persia and Afghanistan, dancing-boys (pushti) in Central Asia. I'm not saying there should be complete mixing, but I just don't see the harm in Muslim men and women playing equal roles in society.

amatullah_amina
26-11-06, 03:38 AM
aslamu alaikum warehmatullah,

ofcourse islam does not say that men n women should not interact at all. But instead it allows interaction wen things like learning deen, or other interactions, that may b necessary, r needed.

I m not a scholar or anything justt an ordinary muslim, but like "getting to knoew each other" in a restaurant or the like wen u r not married with no wali aroun can lead to fitnah...u and i or anybody cannot guarantee oneself frm the temptations of shaytan which flows in body like blood .... as long as one practices wot the shariah says abt marriage n how to approach prospective partner or know abt them, then all other cultural ways that oppose it or have their own ways are of no consequence.....and Allah knows best

all good in it is frm Allah n all evil or error frm me.
walaikum aslam warehmatullah

Cashew
26-11-06, 05:20 AM
Both. But I have no interest in getting married, it's just a general inquiry. (emphasis mine)

Why, may I please ask, would a single young Muslim male have "no interest" in getting married?

Do you plan on cloning yourself? Or do you think you'll meet an elf in a forest who will offer you an orphan child to raise as your own?

awwabah
26-11-06, 09:53 PM
salam alaykum,

I don't think that segregation is going to lead to homosexual undertones brother, because the minute a muslim or muslimah wish to be married then they search or their families and friends search for the appropriate partner for them and they will get married.
I don't advise sitting together with a female muslimah who is not your mahram at any time in public or private because this will cast suspicions on the both of you and the prophet saaws after his marriage to one of his wives (can't remember which, think it is safiyah though) was walking with her and he passed two companions he stopped and he said to them this is my wife, to kill even an atom of suspicion in anyone's breast. That is what you should do btw if you are walking with your sister or mother and meet some friends of yours, you stop and tell them that you are her mahram so that no suspicion ever crosses the mind of anyone.

When you decide to get married then you arrange meetings, as much as you like until you are both comfortable with the prospect of getting married, at no time should either of you be alone with the other, before the marriage contract is made, I see no problem with her brother or father being with you at any time, because this is our shariah. The point is, you must have niyaa of marrying the muslimah because she is a muslimah and will care for your religion and your honour and your family.

I don't know if sheikhs in the west encourage emailing and so on, but I don't think this is a good idea unless it will be passed on to her guardian to read because brother if a man and woman are alone then the third will always be the shaitan.

Have you ever heard of kindred spirits? Well that's what is meant I think by the alarwaah junoudun mujanadah, it is the prophet's saying and it means that the souls that are destined to like each other usually do, you'll find it out by the way you make friends easily with some and not with others. So you will find out eventually in family meetings whether you can or can't abide the woman you are presented to.

Well now I really havemade you uninterested in getting married! rabina yarzuqak in shaa Allah

As for work, so long as the decencies are met there is no problem in mixed work in shaa Allah, just that sometimes people forget that they aren't pals and start joking and gossiping with foreign men, this is wrong, may be doesn't happen at your end of the world but it does at ours.

:)

wa salam alaykum

amatullah_amina
27-11-06, 01:32 AM
subhanallah soo true...jazakAllahu khairun for the advice

awwabah
27-11-06, 09:18 PM
wa jazaki Allah khairan for an excellent thread and reminder:up:

Selamat
28-11-06, 03:53 AM
(emphasis mine)

Why, may I please ask, would a single young Muslim male have "no interest" in getting married?

Do you plan on cloning yourself? Or do you think you'll meet an elf in a forest who will offer you an orphan child to raise as your own?

Well, I'm not gay if that's what you're thinking!

I basically am not into marriage, it's not my style.

And you know there are options to cloning and/or elf-rearing. How about adopting one of the millions of Muslim orphans around the world? Not that I'm into having kids, either. That's definitely not my style.

Cashew
28-11-06, 04:51 AM
Well, I'm not gay if that's what you're thinking!

I basically am not into marriage, it's not my style.

And you know there are options to cloning and/or elf-rearing. How about adopting one of the millions of Muslim orphans around the world? Not that I'm into having kids, either. That's definitely not my style.

I didn't realize that Qu'ran and Sunnah were matters of personal "style."

So, you're one of those anti-procreation orthodox Muslims we're hearing so much about nowadays.

:rolleyes:

amatullah_amina
28-11-06, 08:59 PM
aslamu laikaum warehmatullah,

bro marriage is such an emphazied sunnah..Alhumdulillah Allah has made it lawful ....subhanAllah wot would we have done without it...there would have been so much fitnah...one may such it doesnt affect me but one cannot guarantee oneself against the temptations of shaytan....

MAybe inshaAllah cashew the bro is not in a position ( financially etc) to get married ...maybethat is wot he mean...but inshaAllah may Allah (SWT) guide us all Ameen

walaikum aslam warehmatullah wabarakatu

Cashew
28-11-06, 09:33 PM
aslamu laikaum warehmatullah,

bro marriage is such an emphazied sunnah..Alhumdulillah Allah has made it lawful ....subhanAllah wot would we have done without it...there would have been so much fitnah...one may such it doesnt affect me but one cannot guarantee oneself against the temptations of shaytan....

MAybe inshaAllah cashew the bro is not in a position ( financially etc) to get married ...maybethat is wot he mean...but inshaAllah may Allah (SWT) guide us all Ameen

walaikum aslam warehmatullah wabarakatu

I think this may be a sort of "tough guy" stance that some young guys sometimes adopt. You know -- the rugged individualist, the loner, self-sufficient.

In my experience, these guys almost always end-up being big softies who fall head over heels for some gal, get married, and have lots of kids.

amatullah_amina
29-11-06, 12:14 AM
aslamu alaikum warehmatullah,

may Allah guide us all inshaAllah....we and i should stay away frm suspicions abt our bros n sis in islam inshaAllah....Allah is the best judge but all i can say is wot i said above...marriage prevents u frm soo many wrong things..like gaze, other temptations etc....

and rasoolAllah (SAW) encouraged us to have more children and subhanAllah they r such a beutiful blessing of Allah...

also, there must be wisdom behind the words of rasool Allah (SAW) (and ofcourse Allah (SWT) too ) when he urged the youth that if they can then they should marry otherwise fast...so Allahu Alam ....

"May Allah (SWT) grant us righteous spouse who would be a source to get closer to Him in this world and aakhirat. Ameeen Thuma Ameen."
walaikum aslam warehmatullah wabarakatu
(side notes: remember me in ur pious duaz..)

Strict2TheSunna
29-11-06, 02:07 AM
lool subhanallah She took of her niqab b/c her eyes were attractive? lool

How about taking the make up of ur eyes :rolleyes: