An Obedient Wife?

[Tax-Man]

In english?

even better, if thats from the Quran give me the verse title and chapter, or is my kuffar hands not good enough to touch my quran anymore big man?

Ermm... Hold on your not a muslim, here's me thinking your nick would be excellent for a saturday children's show in mekkah. :rubeyes:

[.: Anna :.]

but how about if he just needs you to regularly do these tasks like clothes washing, including socks? he is not ill or anything...
but wont he be going out to work for u and for ur children for sustinance... so its not much to ask if u can do the washing n keep on top of that side of things, like house chores. some places husbands may not b able 2 afford washing machine, so they would ask to have it done by hand... its not arrogance, its not something too hard 2 ask i think its just standard.
like i wash my hubbys clothes, including socks... he doesnt actually hav 2 ask cos i jst do it but if he specifcally wanted a certain socks washed on one day, and he asked me to do it 4 him, then i would just do it, i wouldnt take it as a diss or something arrogant... i think that is reading too deeply into it.

[Guardian Hijab]

Ermm... Hold on your not a muslim, here's me thinking your nick would be excellent for a saturday children's show in mekkah. :rubeyes:
Awwww, it would be a good name eh!

I'm Muslim Alhamdulilah:), Big man thinks I don't follow the Quran and Sunnah, so I guess in Big man's eyes I'm not.:rolleyes:

[Al-Irhaab]

In english?

even better, if thats from the Quran give me the verse title and chapter, or is my kuffar hands not good enough to touch my quran anymore big man?

first time i see someone do takfeer on themselves.... surah hashr last in the last rukn... check it read i learn it inshallah :rolleyes:

[.: Anna :.]

its surat al hashar

[Medievalist]

and no im not the big man on ummah... im the big man full stop :rolleyes:

while I agree with MOST of your points bruv - Im gonna have to take issue with the above.

You may have been the big man in the past - but Im the new kid on the block and its time for you to retire gracefully (or there'll be a war of blood, sweat and tears (yours obviously)) :torture:

:D

And I dunno what you folks are on about. From what I've seen Al-Irhaab bruv doesnt come across condescending. I'll admit that I probably do, and often I'll post stuff just to get a reaction (its my mischieveous nature ;) ) but mashaALLAH from the posts that I've read of Al Irhaab he has been polite but firm and above all logical.

Bruv have u studied mantiq kitabs?

[Guardian Hijab]

but how about if he just needs you to regularly do these tasks like clothes washing, including socks? he is not ill or anything...
but wont he be going out to work for u and for ur children for sustinance... so its not much to ask if u can do the washing n keep on top of that side of things, like house chores. some places husbands may not b able 2 afford washing machine, so they would ask to have it done by hand... its not arrogance, its not something too hard 2 ask i think its just standard.
like i wash my hubbys clothes, including socks... he doesnt actually hav 2 ask cos i jst do it but if he specifcally wanted a certain socks washed on one day, and he asked me to do it 4 him, then i would just do it, i wouldnt take it as a diss or something arrogant... i think that is reading too deeply into it.

I said hand washing his socks, not washing. InshAllah we'll have a washing machine, and if we can't afford one then heck yeah we'd be washing our clothes by hand. LOL My dream is to live on a far away island and live as native as possible, so it'll be neat eh:D

Sis, i'm not cold hearted, if he's out there supporting our family, then heck yeah I'd be trying to make life easier on him. Hmmm, ok say you guys have a fight, and just to make you mad he says 'wash my socks 20 times, because you haaaaaaaave to'. All I'm saying that everyone has limits, ofcourse your suppose to love and obey your husband, but if he takes advantage of his rights just to hurt you, then sorry, I ain't in heck going to do.

[.: Anna :.]

I said hand washing his socks, not washing. InshAllah we'll have a washing machine, and if we can't afford one then heck yeah we'd be washing our clothes by hand. LOL My dream is to live on a far away island and live as native as possible, so it'll be neat eh:D

Sis, i'm not cold hearted, if he's out there supporting our family, then heck yeah I'd be trying to make life easier on him. Hmmm, ok say you guys have a fight, and just to make you mad he says 'wash my socks 20 times, because you haaaaaaaave to'. All I'm saying that everyone has limits, ofcourse your suppose to love and obey your husband, but if he takes advantage of his rights just to hurt you, then sorry, I ain't in heck going to do.

if we had a fight and he said that (Which never has happened, it seems a bit unlikely, also other husbands i doubt will say it... but hey nething is possible) i would try 2 say, cn i not go and do that now bc we need to talk n i want 2 sort out this fight issue n make it up with u, and if ur socks need 2 b washed i cn do it afterwards. If they tell u to do something, u can like ask them 2 not make u do it, or to delay that or something... husband is not dictator. and for him 2 say that 20 times washing thing is totally immature. but then if he persists n keeps demanding her to do it, and she remains calm n not angry n she does do it, surely Allah swt will reward her from that, but no of course that behaviour of the hubby is stupid... i think everyone will agree it is stupid and ppl dnt aim 2 behave like that 2 their wives insha allah.
but if its some reason for hand wash, n we do have a machine but say his socks get shrivel in the machine n he doesnt like that n prefers hand wash... then yeh i will do it insha allah

[Tax-Man]

lol If a man was gonna ask for rediculas demands it'd be either be in the bedroom department or the purchase of a new sports car.

[Al-Irhaab]

while I agree with MOST of your points bruv - Im gonna have to take issue with the above.

You may have been the big man in the past - but Im the new kid on the block and its time for you to retire gracefully (or there'll be a war of blood, sweat and tears (yours obviously)) :torture:

:D

And I dunno what you folks are on about. From what I've seen Al-Irhaab bruv doesnt come across condescending. I'll admit that I probably do, and often I'll post stuff just to get a reaction (its my mischieveous nature ;) ) but mashaALLAH from the posts that I've read of Al Irhaab he has been polite but firm and above all logical.

Bruv have u studied mantiq kitabs?


bro can always be more then one big man... :D

yes mantiq.... hmm crazy crazy books... made my head spin round and round and round so many terms... but i studied philosophy before so it made sense and also studied another thing which i cant say here ill post it to u then it will make sense :D

[Medievalist]

bro can always be more then one big man... :D

yes mantiq.... hmm crazy crazy books... made my head spin round and round and round so many terms... but i studied philosophy before so it made sense and also studied another thing which i cant say here ill post it to u then it will make sense :D

mashaALLAH excellent.

Yeh there can be more than one big man but u used the definitive article : THE.

Hence making you out to be THE big man. Im here to say your not. Step down Hazrat :torture:

May ALLAH put barakah in your ilm and make it a source of light for your parents and the ummah in this world and the next. Are you farigh?

[Al-Irhaab]

mashaALLAH excellent.

Yeh there can be more than one big man but u used the definitive article : THE.

Hence making you out to be THE big man. Im here to say your not. Step down Hazrat :torture:

May ALLAH put barakah in your ilm and make it a source of light for your parents and the ummah in this world and the next. Are you farigh?

no bro am not farigh... something interupted my studies but learnt different things here and there inshallah and tryin to study as best as i can.... ameen to ur duah....

but u shld know the does not mean there cant be to THEs so i can be the big man and u can be the big man :D

but if ur farigh then u the bigger man

[Nusayba]

I would do anything for my husband so long he obeys Allah, alhamdulilah, ofcourse obedience is only in whats good, and making your hubby happy is very important in Islam, and he's your ticket to jannah InshaAllah:love:

Aslong a husband remembers the one up above who gave him the honour and right to be obeyed and listened to in the first place so long he obeys his lord, I'll too obey him. Once a husband fears and obeys his lord, he'll honour his woman and be good to her out fear for Allah.:love:

anna :up:

[Tax-Man]

To all the sisters buy the Hubby a PS3 then he'll be obedient.

[Medievalist]

no bro am not farigh... something interupted my studies but learnt different things here and there inshallah and tryin to study as best as i can.... ameen to ur duah....

but u shld know the does not mean there cant be to THEs so i can be the big man and u can be the big man :D

but if ur farigh then u the bigger man


lol - can tell you've studied bruv. You sweeten the other person without backing down from your own stance. MashaALLAH :up:

nah- I aint farigh. gotta get uni outta the way first :mad:

[.: Anna :.]

I would do anything for my husband so long he obeys Allah, alhamdulilah, ofcourse obedience is only in whats good, and making your hubby happy is very important in Islam, and he's your ticket to jannah InshaAllah:love:

Aslong a husband remembers the one up above who gave him the honour and right to be obeyed and listened to in the first place so long he obeys his lord, I'll too obey him. Once a husband fears and obeys his lord, he'll honour his woman and be good to her out fear for Allah.:love:

anna :up:masha allah, may Allah increase the love between u and ur hubby ameen :)

[Nusayba]

masha allah, may Allah increase the love between u and ur hubby ameen :)

ameen ya rabal alimeen, barakalahu feekum ya ukthi, and unto you the same ameen.:)

[Cristiana]

I don't like the word "obedient", I just don't like the sound of it.
I child is obedient to his parents, but within a couple....?

I wouldn't say that I "obey" my husband and certainly I wouldn't want him to "obey" me...

...But I will wash his socks :) and I'll be happy with it (happier if we have a washing maching and i don't have to go to the canal to do my laundry!!!!;) )
because I know that he would wash mine if i needed him to :D

[Tax-Man]

I wouldn't want him to "obey" me... Can your hubby get this in writting?

[.: Anna :.]

ameen ya rabal alimeen, barakalahu feekum ya ukthi, and unto you the same ameen.:)ameen

[Al-Irhaab]

ameen ya rabal alimeen, barakalahu feekum ya ukthi, and unto you the same ameen.:)

what abt me :S

well obvously between me and my wife :torture:

ameen ya raabul alimeen

[.: Anna :.]

Bruv we thought ur not married?
if you are then of course the dua for u aswell. And if not then may Allah grant you a pious wife with whom u will be very happy and a means for each other 2 please Allah and attain paradise ameen.

[Al-Irhaab]

Bruv we thought ur not married?
if you are then of course the dua for u aswell. And if not then may Allah grant you a pious wife with whom u will be very happy and a means for each other 2 please Allah and attain paradise ameen.


jazakallah khere ukhti no im not married but inshallah will be making the journey back home... well not to my exact city its further south then where im from back home but its home inshallah :D

[.: Anna :.]

oh okay so u have got a wedding planned n everything insha allah? so wens the big day?

[Al-Irhaab]

oh okay so u have got a wedding planned n everything insha allah? so wens the big day?

dnt know yet inshallah sis still waiting for pops in law to make his mind up abt date... need to give him a call actually :rolleyes:

[Nusayba]

what abt me :S

well obvously between me and my wife :torture:

ameen ya raabul alimeen

Barakallahu feekum to you akhi, May Allah swt grant you a pious and righteous wife ameen.

MashaAllah akhi it's such good news that your planning to get married, May Allah bless your marriage ameen InshaAllah:)

[Kal-El]

I don't like the word "obedient", I just don't like the sound of it.
I child is obedient to his parents, but within a couple....?

I wouldn't say that I "obey" my husband and certainly I wouldn't want him to "obey" me...

...But I will wash his socks :) and I'll be happy with it (happier if we have a washing maching and i don't have to go to the canal to do my laundry!!!!;) )
because I know that he would wash mine if i needed him to :D

Someone once said..that when a husband asks something of his wife..it isn't a request..it's an order - because the wife should always obey her husband.

Lol, not my words..

[carol_au]

Someone once said..that when a husband asks something of his wife..it isn't a request..it's an order - because the wife should always obey her husband.

Lol, not my words..

A wise lady.. older than me and married many years longer than me, gave me some advice about being married. She said to me that the way to keep a man happy is to do the things he asks you to do, and not be so concerned about the things he doesn't ask you to do.. cos in the end, it's the things he asks you to do that will be the things he will ask you about later.

As a young wife this puzzled me, but I tried to put it in practice.. and you know it's true. If I spend my day doing things that he hasn't mentioned, but that seem important to me he often doesn't notice them.. but he sure thanks me for doing the things he has asked me to do.

If this is done with mutual respect.. it can work in a wife's favour, not against her.

[Jigsaw]

We all know that the wife must obey the husband unless he tells her to do something outside the boundaries of Islam..

This is a serious question and I would really appreciate valuable input. What if the husband asks his wife to do things which aren't against Islam but are stupid.

For example.. though it might sound silly but you get the jist.. for example if he asks her to stand on one leg? or if he tells her she can only eat once a day.. or if he says you can't eat that apple.. or if she has cooked for him and he asks her to go and cook again (some men make their wives cook three times a day)..

Anyway things like that.

though you must appreciate she is still a human who should be respected and not treated like a child/slave/object/property......just because she has to obey you

she can refuse to stand on one leg........but then that husband would only be precieved as a stupid fool with no tact or brains lol

yep mutual respect is the way to go....

[MMS]

jazakallah khere ukhti no im not married but inshallah will be making the journey back home... well not to my exact city its further south then where im from back home but its home inshallah :D

:rofl1::rofl1::rofl1::rofl1::rofl1:sialkot :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[Cristiana]

Can your hubby get this in writting?

LOL :D

(no he cannot ;) )

[Abu Muslim]

and no im not the big man on ummah... im the big man full stop :rolleyes:

The real big man does not need to tell anyone he is, everyone knows he is. Fission Mailed.

On topic...

I can't be bothered to read the last what, 27 pages or whatever but these topics, they going over and over the same old arguments. You find the people who are arguing are the unmarried lot (I think). The sisters are worried that they will get abused by the authority that Allah (swt) has allowed a man over his wife whereas the brothers are hoping they will abuse that power. The reality is this..(if you marry a pious spouse)..

The sisters will do everything her husband tells her out of love of him and Allah (swt) and the brothers will be nice, gentle and easy going to her out of love of her and fear of Allah (swt).

Khalas end of matter.

Get married.

*smiles*

[Al-Irhaab]

The real big man does not need to tell anyone he is, everyone knows he is. Fission Mailed.



u will not understand bro ;)

its a hood thing :cool:

[Al-Irhaab]

:rofl1::rofl1::rofl1::rofl1::rofl1:sialkot :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:


vay mundiyayy silakoityay... :inlove:

[abdur_Rahmaan]

We all know that the wife must obey the husband unless he tells her to do something outside the boundaries of Islam..

This is a serious question and I would really appreciate valuable input. What if the husband asks his wife to do things which aren't against Islam but are stupid.

For example.. though it might sound silly but you get the jist.. for example if he asks her to stand on one leg? or if he tells her she can only eat once a day.. or if he says you can't eat that apple.. or if she has cooked for him and he asks her to go and cook again (some men make their wives cook three times a day)..

Anyway things like that.

akhee, seriously, what benefit would be gained from an answer to that question you posed?

here's a scenario:
put yourself in her shoes and then ask that question again, in shaa Allaah.


Allaah, walhamdulilaah, created us equally, there's no superiority—except those with more taqwa (fear of Allaah). i mean, yes, Allaah did create the man to take on tasks of hardship in labor (work), but she was also created to take hardships in labor. you get what i'm saying? [smiles] we have a degree over them, like Allaah mentions in the Qur.aan—and His Wisdom, He knows best—but there are conditions to that. you still are to treat the women kindly and not ignorantly or for a "laugh at you 'cause you're supposed to do what i tell you" type purpose. you know what i mean? Allaah knows best.

it's a blessing from Allaah that He created women for us, to live in mercy and comfort with, and that they be a cover for us and we a cover for them. of course there's tests along the way, but Allaah says in the Qur.aan that He will test us, even if we believe, to attain more strength in faith, if Allaah wills. and, it's another blessing from Allaah that we have wives because they bear the children that we so eagerly compete to have, you see? which of the Favors of your Lord will you deny? the Help of Allaah is sought, and I seek the Forgiveness of Allaah and repent to Him.

i intend no harm by this post of mine, instead i intended thought, and all praises and thanks are due to Allaah, the Lord of mankind, jinns and all that exists.



subhaanaka Allaahumma wa bihamdika; ash-shadu an laa ilaha illa-Anta; astaghfiruka wa atoobu ilayk.

[Al-Irhaab]

akhee, seriously, what benefit would be gained from an answer to that question you posed?

here's a scenario:
put yourself in her shoes and then ask that question again, in shaa Allaah.


Allaah, walhamdulilaah, created us equally, there's no superiority—except those with more taqwa (fear of Allaah). i mean, yes, Allaah did create the man to take on tasks of hardship in labor (work), but she was also created to take hardships in labor. you get what i'm saying? [smiles] we have a degree over them, like Allaah mentions in the Qur.aan—and His Wisdom, He knows best—but there are conditions to that. you still are to treat the women kindly and not ignorantly or for a "laugh at you 'cause you're supposed to do what i tell you" type purpose. you know what i mean? Allaah knows best.

it's a blessing from Allaah that He created women for us, to live in mercy and comfort with, and that they be a cover for us and we a cover for them. of course there's tests along the way, but Allaah says in the Qur.aan that He will test us, even if we believe, to attain more strength in faith, if Allaah wills. and, it's another blessing from Allaah that we have wives because they bear the children that we so eagerly compete to have, you see? which of the Favors of your Lord will you deny? the Help of Allaah is sought, and I seek the Forgiveness of Allaah and repent to Him.

i intend no harm by this post of mine, instead i intended thought, and all praises and thanks are due to Allaah, the Lord of mankind, jinns and all that exists.



subhaanaka Allaahumma wa bihamdika; ash-shadu an laa ilaha illa-Anta; astaghfiruka wa atoobu ilayk.

the poster is a sister :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Abu Mus'ab]

akhee, seriously, what benefit would be gained from an answer to that question you posed?

She's not a brother *Roll Eyes*

[alld]

She's not a brother *Roll Eyes*

field marshall

[Enigma Dreamer]

A wise lady.. older than me and married many years longer than me, gave me some advice about being married. She said to me that the way to keep a man happy is to do the things he asks you to do, and not be so concerned about the things he doesn't ask you to do.. cos in the end, it's the things he asks you to do that will be the things he will ask you about later.

As a young wife this puzzled me, but I tried to put it in practice.. and you know it's true. If I spend my day doing things that he hasn't mentioned, but that seem important to me he often doesn't notice them.. but he sure thanks me for doing the things he has asked me to do.

If this is done with mutual respect.. it can work in a wife's favour, not against her.
And share it with more young and would.be-wives :)

[.: Anna :.]

A wise lady.. older than me and married many years longer than me, gave me some advice about being married. She said to me that the way to keep a man happy is to do the things he asks you to do, and not be so concerned about the things he doesn't ask you to do.. cos in the end, it's the things he asks you to do that will be the things he will ask you about later.

As a young wife this puzzled me, but I tried to put it in practice.. and you know it's true. If I spend my day doing things that he hasn't mentioned, but that seem important to me he often doesn't notice them.. but he sure thanks me for doing the things he has asked me to do.

If this is done with mutual respect.. it can work in a wife's favour, not against her.hmm thanks for that carol, i think that is a good point

[Nawar]

Post # 310 :inlove: :inlove: :inlove:

[Al-Irhaab]

post 16 :rolleyes:

[Emelianenko]

Logout :rolleyes:

[Al-Irhaab]

Logout :rolleyes:

go on then :D

[abdur_Rahmaan]

She's not a brother *Roll Eyes*

maa shaa Allaah, i did not know that. still... the advice given from me is general to brothers, including myself and then you. also, why are you "rolling eyes", akhee? or are you a brother?

[abdur_Rahmaan]

the poster is a sister :rotfl: :rotfl:


thanks for telling me. like stated, the advice is still general. and all praises are due to Allaah, the Most High, Lord of mankind, jinn and all that exists.

[Al-Irhaab]

maa shaa Allaah, i did not know that. still... the advice given from me is general to brothers, including myself and then you. also, why are you "rolling eyes", akhee? or are you a brother?


oh he always rolls his eyes dont worry abt him.... he rolls his eyes even when hes asleep :rolleyes:

[abdur_Rahmaan]

oh he always rolls his eyes dont worry abt him.... he rolls his eyes even when hes asleep :rolleyes:

alhamdulillaah. two things were made clear to me. Allaahu akbar.

[Cashew]

I remain confused by what many people in this forum understand as "married life."

I guess we all work from personal experience -- that of our own marriages and those of our parents, grandparents, etc.

Maybe you all come from families in which children are docile robots and everything is serene and everyone has a lot of free time. But...

In my experience of the practical day-to-day of marriage, there really isn't any time or space or opportunity for anyone to march around giving orders. There's a lot to do, all the time, and if everyone isn't pitching in and helping, chaos, like laundry, multiplies rapidly.

People make lists. Tasks are divided with an eye to efficiency, not with an eye to "he said" or "she said."

I'm not quite sure I understand how many of you live.

[neels]

I know what you mean cashew. I've had trouble finding a suitable guy to marry for years cos' a lot of bros i come across have some bizarre attitudes about what they expect from a wife. Recently though, I came across one whom I discussed these matters with via email. He sent a reply saying:

"I want a wife not a maid!"

And I thought "YES, this guy is MINE!!!" :hidban: (I guess none of you are surprised that he's a convert, so not plagued by the usual cultural rubbish that contributes to the weird attitudes sisters have to contend with).

[Al-Irhaab]

I remain confused by what many people in this forum understand as "married life."

I guess we all work from personal experience -- that of our own marriages and those of our parents, grandparents, etc.

Maybe you all come from families in which children are docile robots and everything is serene and everyone has a lot of free time. But...

In my experience of the practical day-to-day of marriage, there really isn't any time or space or opportunity for anyone to march around giving orders. There's a lot to do, all the time, and if everyone isn't pitching in and helping, chaos, like laundry, multiplies rapidly.

People make lists. Tasks are divided with an eye to efficiency, not with an eye to "he said" or "she said."

I'm not quite sure I understand how many of you live.


i dont understand what u mean??

like let me give a usual scenario.... husband works 9 till 5... which means normally... 8 till 6 to account for travel etc etc.... so the wife has that time to, cook. clean... laundry....ironing etc look after kids possibly do any shopping... (could just wait till te weekend and do shopping together as my family does )... also she got time to perhaps study... or invite her friends round or go to see her friends...

now ur telling me between the hours of 8 till 6 that she has she cannot find the time to do all of the above?? and then after 6 shes got like 6 till 12 to spend time with the husban, chill out with the kids more... read etc etc...

i seriously fail to see the difficulty? :scratch:

[ur_yusra]

I know what you mean cashew. I've had trouble finding a suitable guy to marry for years cos' a lot of bros i come across have some bizarre attitudes about what they expect from a wife. Recently though, I came across one whom I discussed these matters with via email. He sent a reply saying:

"I want a wife not a maid!"

And I thought "YES, this guy is MINE!!!" :hidban: (I guess none of you are surprised that he's a convert, so not plagued by the usual cultural rubbish that contributes to the weird attitudes sisters have to contend with).

LOL.. and a revert as well eh?? Masha'Allah.

[.: Anna :.]

i dont understand what u mean??

like let me give a usual scenario.... husband works 9 till 5... which means normally... 8 till 6 to account for travel etc etc.... so the wife has that time to, cook. clean... laundry....ironing etc look after kids possibly do any shopping... (could just wait till te weekend and do shopping together as my family does )... also she got time to perhaps study... or invite her friends round or go to see her friends...

now ur telling me between the hours of 8 till 6 that she has she cannot find the time to do all of the above?? and then after 6 shes got like 6 till 12 to spend time with the husban, chill out with the kids more... read etc etc...

i seriously fail to see the difficulty? :scratch:me too.
I think tho when the wife is also working then their routine becomes more hectic?
also with young kids in the house she finds it more difficult 2 get the stuff all done bc they can take up the majority of the time innit but still... this basic senario which u mentioned is pretty normal. the house doesnt have 2 b a chaos the whole time? if it is then the wife might find it better 2 stop working for a bit until things bcome more calm for the family (am not saying they HAVE to do, but a good idea no?)

[Al-Irhaab]

me too.
I think tho when the wife is also working then their routine becomes more hectic?
also with young kids in the house she finds it more difficult 2 get the stuff all done bc they can take up the majority of the time innit but still... this basic senario which u mentioned is pretty normal. the house doesnt have 2 b a chaos the whole time? if it is then the wife might find it better 2 stop working for a bit until things bcome more calm for the family (am not saying they HAVE to do, but a good idea no?)

true in our house the routine was like dad working, mum at home looking after 4 crazy kids.... but then there was like joint action requied time, so like major shopping once or twice a week, would be whole family trip :D

but we were lucky cus one grocers was close by so the kids could run to shop and get the stuff... and school was close by so kids could go school on their own or with older cousins... not like now with all the paedos around... but then again most women drive so thats easier.....

[.: Anna :.]

true in our house the routine was like dad working, mum at home looking after 4 crazy kids.... but then there was like joint action requied time, so like major shopping once or twice a week, would be whole family trip :D

but we were lucky cus one grocers was close by so the kids could run to shop and get the stuff... and school was close by so kids could go school on their own or with older cousins... not like now with all the paedos around... but then again most women drive so thats easier.....

this was the same in mine... but once we were all @ school my mum was also working. both dad n mum as teachers so they got home early neway. was not much of a chaos :D masha allah

[Abu Mus'ab]

maa shaa Allaah, i did not know that. still... the advice given from me is general to brothers, including myself and then you. also, why are you "rolling eyes", akhee? or are you a brother?
i'm a brother man, the last time someone asked me what i was was when i was 8 years old *Roll Eyes*

And don't worry about the roll eyes, like Al-Irhaab said i roll them in my sleep too.