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WARNING....REGARDING THIS SITE AND ITS SO CALLED SCHOLARS
http://www.islamonline.net/English/index.shtml
THERE ARE SOME SCHOLARS ON THIS SITE THAT ACTUALLY BELIEVE THERE WERE FEMALE PROPHETS...
IT IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG AND MAY EVEN BE KUFR.
:rubeyes: :rubeyes:
We can say that most of the time Allah sent men as His prophets and messengers, but there is no conclusive evidence from the Qur'an to prove that only men were sent as prophets or to say that Allah never sent a woman as a prophet.
:eek3:
HOW MUCH MORE OF THIS SITE IS DEVIANT AND MISLEADING:smack:
AbuSadiq
10-11-06, 07:18 AM
WARNING....REGARDING THIS SITE AND ITS SO CALLED SCHOLARS
http://www.islamonline.net/English/index.shtml
THERE ARE SOME SCHOLARS ON THIS SITE THAT ACTUALLY BELIEVE THERE WERE FEMALE PROPHETS...
IT IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG AND MAY EVEN BE KUFR.
:rubeyes: :rubeyes:
We can say that most of the time Allah sent men as His prophets and messengers, but there is no conclusive evidence from the Qur'an to prove that only men were sent as prophets or to say that Allah never sent a woman as a prophet.
:eek3:
HOW MUCH MORE OF THIS SITE IS DEVIANT AND MISLEADING:smack:
Salaam,
Kai! This irony is too good to be ignored. I have been using Islamionline since the last five years. I read their periodic fatwas (rulings) issued on various aspects of life; from ablution to practising medicine, but have NEVER come across any MISLEADING fatawa. I know the board chairman of this site, Professor Yusuf Qaradaawiy, whom I possessed and read alomost 10 of his teeming beneficial books on Islamic and social aspects of human life. Infact the site does not even favour any of the 4 school of thoughts, at all. Fatwas are issued based on the authentic references obtained from the Qur'an and Sunnah, the Sahabas rulings and other genuine sources of knowledge/facts.
Where is it indicated in the site that THERE ARE SOME FEMALE PROPHETS? Please, kindly feed us with the stuff. Am sick, because of this!
Abu Sadiq
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503546542
Thus the majority of the Muslim scholars hold that the prophets and messengers were only men (i.e. males), but there were some scholars of the Qur'an who said that it was possible that some women were also prophets or messengers of Allah. We can say that most of the time Allah sent men as His prophets and messengers, but there is no conclusive evidence from the Qur'an to prove that only men were sent as prophets or to say that Allah never sent a woman as a prophet.
But the word "rijal" does not mean only men. In most cases in the Qur'an this word is used to mean men only, but there are a few places where it is also used to indicate both men and women. See for example surat al-A`raaf 7: 46, (And on the Heights (al-A`raf) will be men who would know everyone by their marks…) We know that the people of al-A`raaf will be both men and women, so this means that the word "rijal" can be used for both. Similarly in surat at-Tawbah 9: 109, Almighty Allah says, (Surely the Masjid whose foundation was laid down from the first day on piety is more worthy of your standing forth there for prayer. In it are men who love to be purified. And Allah loves those who make themselves pure.) This refers to the Masjid of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) where men and women both used to come for prayers. So it is obvious that the statement "in it are men who love to be purified.." does not mean "men only". One can also refer to surat an-Nur 24: 37, and al-Jinn 72: 6. In these two verses the word "rijal" is used and it includes men and women both.
THE HARMS OF D.I.Y.
Very interesting.
The obvious question is, what is the Islamic definition of "prophet"?
I believe the Hebrew Bible mentions one female prophet, Hulda. (Does she appear in Muslim scripture?)
And there are many women in the Hebrew Bible and New Testament who are described as having extremely close contact with God or with angels.
May I suggest that this topic be moved to the Comparative Religion section?
I think a discussion of prophets and how Islam defines them would be very educational for many Muslims and non-Muslims.
Strict2TheSunna
10-11-06, 11:57 AM
salaamualaikum wr wb..
There's nothing misleading about the site, alhamdulillah.
There was nothing said that was wrong. He's not saying there WERE female Prophets, he's just saying there's no evidence there was, and no evidence there wasn't.
Allahua3lam.
salaamualaikum wr wb
Selamat
10-11-06, 01:49 PM
Just because he's saying that there could possibly be female prophets doesn't make his site 'not safe'. I don't tend to follow the rulings of many scholars but I do very much trust Qaradawi's fataawaah.
al-ghazalli
10-11-06, 03:32 PM
hmmz isn't it dangerous for us to be critcal of the Ulema, before posting this warning would it have not been better to ask the site for a clarification on this fatwa and ask them to present proof of their positions.
It is well known that many classical scholars believed that women could also be sent as a Prophet, many of them were of the opinion that the Mariam (May Allah be Pleased with Her) was a Prophet.
I happen to disagree with this opinion and I feel more comfortable following the jahmur opinion, but this doesn't mean I should invalidate their opinion.
Ibn `Asakir (Rahimullah) stated: "Dear brother, may Allah guide you and me to what pleases Him and make us among the pious. You should know that the meat of scholars is poisonous (meaning that we should not even dare to touch it) and it is well-known that Allah discloses those who defame them, and He afflicts those who let their tongues indulge in backbiting and slandering them, with the death of their heart.
And with Allah is all Success.
AbuSadiq
10-11-06, 03:56 PM
hmmz isn't it dangerous for us to be critcal of the Ulema, before posting this warning would it have not been better to ask the site for a clarification on this fatwa and ask them to present proof of their positions.
It is well known that many classical scholars believed that women could also be sent as a Prophet, many of them were of the opinion that the Mariam (May Allah be Pleased with Her) was a Prophet.
I happen to disagree with this opinion and I feel more comfortable following the jahmur opinion, but this doesn't mean I should invalidate their opinion.
Ibn `Asakir (Rahimullah) stated: "Dear brother, may Allah guide you and me to what pleases Him and make us among the pious. You should know that the meat of scholars is poisonous (meaning that we should not even dare to touch it) and it is well-known that Allah discloses those who defame them, and He afflicts those who let their tongues indulge in backbiting and slandering them, with the death of their heart.
And with Allah is all Success.
Thank you bro! I was surprised when I saw the thread title. Why exaggerate a flimsy or rather tiny issue in which you alone have reservation on it? This is very wrong and I hope the Brother will guarde against next time.
The piece in question does not equally CONCLUDE that there WERE female Prophet(s). The muftee was only explaining some points in which later scholars of Tafseer (commentators of the Qur'an) differ, and the precise point or areas of arguments.
We should always take time to clarify things first from the person that originates it, he is in a better position to explain why he does what. But developing a cold feet on a flimsy issue does not help, at all.
Nas'alul Laahat-taufeeq, wal barakah, wal aafiyah.
Abu Sadiq
That web-site had to be the dorkiest thing I've come across. When a fatwa is asked about Chechnya, their "virtual ulema" (who is nothing more than a fat Palestinian) says: "Oh yeah, you should feel sorry for their plight. Maybe you could give a dime to amensty international and hope it makes it to Grozny?"
Then you ask about Palestine and they yell: "Wallah! Wallah! All forms of resistance are acceptable. Protect Arab blood!"
What a joke. They're like the neo-khawarij of our time.:D
awwabah
10-11-06, 06:12 PM
That web-site had to be the dorkiest thing I've come across. When a fatwa is asked about Chechnya, their "virtual ulema" (who is nothing more than a fat Palestinian) says: "Oh yeah, you should feel sorry for their plight. Maybe you could give a dime to amensty international and hope it makes it to Grozny?"
Then you ask about Palestine and they yell: "Wallah! Wallah! All forms of resistance are acceptable. Protect Arab blood!"
What a joke. They're like the neo-khawarij of our time.
what you just wrote there is ghaibah.
that's the first. Second, the website is not dorky, I happen to know personally some of the people who work there, they're good people and they're honest and they try hard to spread dawa.
Thirdly, how on earth do you figure that they couldn't care less for chechnya???
Or any other place on earth where the Muslims are being oppressed. Have you entered into their hearts? Also have you any idea what exactly the state is in Palestine? Do you know what it means when their present government is not to the liking of the 'superpowers' do you realise what that means economically? Yes they're in pretty bad straits, that's why they don't wear posh suits if you happen to see any of Hamas on TV, also fyi not all charity gets to it's destination, that means some people aren't getting wages, do you know what that means?
I should jolly well think they would tell people to donate. To at least pay their zakat maal if they can't do anything else.
I get pretty annoyed by some of the stuff the website posts, I'll agree with you on that some dumb articles are present, I'm not denying that.
But to use ghaibah when talking of scholars of Islam is unacceptable:mad:
wa salam alaykum
al-ghazalli
10-11-06, 06:17 PM
I've come across. When a fatwa is asked about Chechnya, their "virtual ulema" (who is nothing more than a fat Palestinian) says: "Oh yeah, you should feel sorry for their plight. Maybe you could give a dime to amensty international and hope it makes it to Grozny?"
First Sidi you do a great disservice to the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) and to the Ummah when you insult the Ulema. We should be aware that the Scholars are the heirs of Prophets. Insulting them is a grave sin and causes the death of your heart as stated by Ibn Asakir (Rahimullah).
I have looked at the fatwa by Shaykh Yusuf al-Qaradawi (May Allah Preserve Him) and their is nothing wrong with it.
I quote the eminent Shaykh "As long as people of Chechnya fight in defense of their lands, honor and religion against a tyrannical oppressive force, which does not fear Allah nor have mercy on any creature, their fighting is Jihad. There is a scholarly consensus (Ijma`) that whoever fights in defense of his religion, land and household, and is killed in that fighting, is considered a martyr (Shahid). "
His full fatwa can be viewed,
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543542
May Allah protect us from what our own tongues utter.
Mikha’eel
10-11-06, 07:20 PM
According to the Jewish scriptures, there were a few female Prophets. Deborah is 1 name that comes to mind. She came after Joshua PBUH or someone. I think its in the Book of Judges.
Selamat
10-11-06, 09:53 PM
They're like the neo-khawarij of our time.
Neo-Khwarij? How so? The khawarij were arguably the least racist of all early Islamic sects.
Not only will I mock and curse them, I will thank Allah (SWT) when Qardawi dies. Even Sayyidna Ali (K) prayed two raka3t of Salat when he heard one of the leaders of the khawaarij was killed in Nawarah.:D
But sorry if I offended anyone by calling the Qardawi a khaarij.
Khawarij were supposed to be pious Muslims.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D :D
awwabah
11-11-06, 04:28 AM
brother Marwan
Sheikh Yusuf is Egyptian, he is a professor of Islamic Aqueeda, and he has ijazah to issue fatwas.
He's a Muslim.
I will be very sorry if he dies. He's of the few who are standing up to say what is right, do you understand arabic? Have you ever tried to listen to him on alshariah wahayaah on Aljazeera? Its on sunday. before you accuse someone from reading a few articles about him, and getting prejudiced, I think you must listen to him talk, and understand him-and even then-it is Allah who judges us all at the day of judgement, you do not know what action you will do that will take you to heaven and you do not know what action that may not take you there, and likewise other Muslims.
Remember Allah's mercy and as you hope that it touches you on the Day of Judgement, then adapt it in your judgement of your fellow muslims.
wa salam alaykum
Selamat
11-11-06, 06:13 AM
Not only will I mock and curse them, I will thank Allah (SWT) when Qardawi dies. Even Sayyidna Ali (K) prayed two raka3t of Salat when he heard one of the leaders of the khawaarij was killed in Nawarah.
What's your beef with Qaradawi? I consider him to be one of the better scholars. At least he isn't running around declaring that seeing one's spouse naked annulls the marriage :rolleyes:
Hold on a minute...
Didnt Allah (swt) speak to Maryam, the Mother of Jesus(as), through the Angel Gabriel ? :confused:
Didnt He (swt) speak to the Mother of Moses(as)? To inspire her to drop the basket in the river? :confused:
Didnt He (swt) guide Mai Hajirah (the Mother of Ismael (as) through the desert?
As far as i can see there is nothing wrong with that site, we should be careful of these "warnings"
What's your beef with Qaradawi? I consider him to be one of the better scholars. At least he isn't running around declaring that seeing one's spouse naked annulls the marriage :rolleyes:
What do you or awaaba care if I have beef with him? I don't like him, and people accuse me of making gheeba.
What I did doesn't even meet the defn of gheeba. If I say Abdullah ibn Ubayy was a munafiq, would that be gheeba?
He only started defending the Chechen people after the US administration attacked Russia over its offensive in Chechnya. He knew that many Muslims were responding to the Jihad there, so he issues a fatwa.
While Afghanistan was being bombed and sanctioned, he didn't do anything. But when he heard the Talibanwere going to blow up Buddha, he came as a 'representative of Qatar & the Muslim Ummah' to appeal to the Taliban and "make sure the image of Islam isn't hurt.
a). Qater doesn't recognize Afghanistan but recognizes Israel.
b). The Muslim Ummah was proud when the Taliban destroyed the idols of Shirk.
b). Qardawi made a fatwa that condoned suicide bombing. Who is really "hurtng the image of Islam?"
There's much more abut him, but I won't mention it because his fans will start crying.
Au revoir.
WARNING....REGARDING THIS SITE AND ITS SO CALLED SCHOLARS
http://www.islamonline.net/English/index.shtml
THERE ARE SOME SCHOLARS ON THIS SITE THAT ACTUALLY BELIEVE THERE WERE FEMALE PROPHETS...
IT IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG AND MAY EVEN BE KUFR.
:rubeyes: :rubeyes:
We can say that most of the time Allah sent men as His prophets and messengers, but there is no conclusive evidence from the Qur'an to prove that only men were sent as prophets or to say that Allah never sent a woman as a prophet.
:eek3:
HOW MUCH MORE OF THIS SITE IS DEVIANT AND MISLEADING:smack:
Are you against the very thought that there could have been women prophets? Are we less than men? wait..don't answer that *hehe*
I think we assume that they were all men when in fact, we don't know ALL the messengers sent down for the people. You know how the cliche phrase goes: "Assume makes an ........."
OMG its so deviant and misleading..they must be kaafirs :torture: LMAO
Selamat
11-11-06, 04:23 PM
What do you or awaaba care if I have beef with him? I don't like him, and people accuse me of making gheeba.
I care about the fact that you hate Qaradawi as much as you care about the fact that I hate Bin Baz. I was just curious, is all.
brother Marwan
Sheikh Yusuf is Egyptian, he is a professor of Islamic Aqueeda, and he has ijazah to issue fatwas.
He's a Muslim.
I will be very sorry if he dies. He's of the few who are standing up to say what is right, do you understand arabic? Have you ever tried to listen to him on alshariah wahayaah on Aljazeera? Its on sunday. before you accuse someone from reading a few articles about him, and getting prejudiced, I think you must listen to him talk, and understand him-and even then-it is Allah who judges us all at the day of judgement, you do not know what action you will do that will take you to heaven and you do not know what action that may not take you there, and likewise other Muslims.
Remember Allah's mercy and as you hope that it touches you on the Day of Judgement, then adapt it in your judgement of your fellow muslims.
wa salam alaykum
I know everything about him. He's a genius wrapped in a tulip enclosed in a twinkie.:rolleyes:
Any questions?
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